dollars 2 donuts Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Seriously...don’t you just dig it?! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 This tells you how much offense matters in this league if anything. Buffalo has a poor offense to go with a top defense and is 3-7. On the other side of the coin, you have the Chiefs who have one of the worst defenses but find themselves in the top 5 due to an offense that has adjusted greatly to the new NFL. Is still is a nice thing to have and a bright spot in what has been a dismal season at times. Without this defense, the Bills are either winless or 1-9 getting their first win today. Hopefully, they can keep this going for the rest of the season and carry it into next year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 teams in that top 5 with only 3 wins each 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: 3 teams in that top 5 with only 3 wins each Wow, and that is telling. Btw, philly needs about 60 yards or so in the second half to solidify number 1 for the Bills against the Dallas D. Edit: sorry, closer to 80 yards. Edited November 12, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said: I guarantee that we won't have the #1 defense at this time next year, and one of the reasons will be the improvement of the offense. That's all. Thats the spirit! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 hours ago, SCBills said: Well, considering almost all of this defense is coming back next year, it’s a good thing. I don't think people know how hard it is to be that good on D when the offense is going 3 and out so much... They have the chance to be really good for a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 58 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I was about to say that I don't usually take stock in yardage because too many things can skew that … such as the opponents average starting field position. I figured with all the turnovers that the opponents didn't really have much field to cover, which would make that stat look good. Then I looked it up. Not sure if its entirely accurate, but according to the website I looked at the opponents avg starting field position was the 32 yardline. So yes, bravo defense. They have been pretty jekyl and hyde, but looked amazing in a lot of games. I mean they held the Pats to 9 points for a large portion of the game. When you have a crappy offense that doesn’t get a lot of first downs the defense has 2-3 more possessions a game to defend. Not to mention field position like you said. Or momentum. Or emotion. Or other stuff that affects play. It’s really a testament to this defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 As negative as I tend to be these days, that's really something to be proud of.. -GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Success said: In the old days, this would at least have us in playoff contention. it would in these days too if we didn't have the Peterman debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The fact they are pulling this off with the kind of albatross they’ve been dragging around with them all year in the way of a terrible O, minus some exceptions like today, is even more amazing. I haven’t looked it up, but I’m guessing the total number of minutes played has to be up there too, since the number of 3 and outs by the O before today constantly would put added pressure on them...definitely speaks to coaching and not having a loser locker room mentality creeping in, luckily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I love a lot about the D this year but being #1 in yards allowed, to me pales in comparison to being #1 in points allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Success said: In the old days, this would at least have us in playoff contention. Not in the old days, in these days too. All you have to do is have an offense that isn't the worst in the past decade. If you have a below average offense you go to the playoffs with the #1 defense. We're going into a weaker part of our schedule, so there's a chance the Bills keep that ranking all the way to the end, if they keep it up. Anybody know if there are examples over the last few years of the team with the #1 defense not making the playoffs? Edited November 12, 2018 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Watch people cite this during the offseason, expecting a repeat performance next year. Those folks will be surprised when the standings are worse next year. The Bills are the number one defense because teams have let off the gas so much in second halves. I can’t say I agree with your assessment. Has it helped statistically? Possibly. But if you have watched all 10 games this year , you should come to the conclusion that the Bills defence is pretty damn good 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: Shaq was solid against the run before, people didn't' give him the credit he deserved because his sack numbers weren't there yet. It takes time for defensive lineman to adjust. It's a major adjustment going from college offensive lineman to NFL offensive lineman. He has found his place in this defense and he needs to stay healthy the rest of the year and keep playing this well to cement it moving forward. I like the kid a lot but he needs to stay on the field. Many thought he was on his way out but it looks like he may be staying for a while now. Well, they still have Murphy and Hughes really rebounded well and has become a complete DE. It will be interesting to see how they handle this DE situation with 3 starters. Also, I expect the focus this offseason to be on WR and OL, but they will also be adding an outside CB and DT and possibly others. They could get better. Maybe give up more yards, but still be better. 43 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: I love a lot about the D this year but being #1 in yards allowed, to me pales in comparison to being #1 in points allowed. True, but when your O is going 3 and out so much or turning it over in their own end, those numbers can get skewed. Edited November 12, 2018 by GreggTX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Success said: In the old days, this would at least have us in playoff contention. Ah do I ever miss us being on the “in the hunt” graphic on CBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, The_Dude said: And what that doing for their record? It's a valid question. It's just the offense has been that Bad... I think today proves though, that the D would be even better with a competent offense.. The great part is almost the whole D will be back , while also adding pieces , they can have long term, sustainable success that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I mean we we have been very good earlier in this decade, but man...when was the last time we were number 1 in the league? hard to say but we had great defenses with Wade, Pettine and Schwartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The Bucs have the #1 offense and we're 31rst. #funfacts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Well, they still have Murphy and Hughes really rebounded well and has become a complete DE. It will be interesting to see how they handle this DE situation with 3 starters. Also, I expect the focus this offseason to be on WR and OL, but they will also be adding an outside CB and DT and possibly others. They could get better. Maybe give up more yards, but still be better. True, but when your O is going 3 and out so much or turning it over in their own end, those numbers can get skewed. Agreed. I was more just making the general point about which stat I believe better correlates to a "good" D. I think if the O this year was just average on a consistent game to game basis this D would likely be top 3 in points allowed. Games seem to get away from them late after the O continues to do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 52 minutes ago, Idandria said: Ah do I ever miss us being on the “in the hunt” graphic on CBS. December is coming. You might see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 And a guy laughed at my post in the latest "Buffalo vs Alabama" thread, where I said bama would not score against the Buffalo defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, The_Dude said: And what that doing for their record? That's not on the defense. If this defense was playing with an offense like the ones that the Chiefs or Rams have, you wouldn't be talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I notice that we're also tied for the league lead in games played, at 10. LET'S GO BUFFALO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Bills Jags and Ravens are combined 10-18. Yards is a meaningless stat. Points allowed and INT are the only two stats that matter. Sacks/QB Pressures would be third. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, GreggTX said: Well, they still have Murphy and Hughes really rebounded well and has become a complete DE. It will be interesting to see how they handle this DE situation with 3 starters. Also, I expect the focus this offseason to be on WR and OL, but they will also be adding an outside CB and DT and possibly others. They could get better. Maybe give up more yards, but still be better. True, but when your O is going 3 and out so much or turning it over in their own end, those numbers can get skewed. The defense end situation will always be a rotation. If you are familiar with how he likes to play the big fellas up front, the rotation keeps everyone fresh. There are some holes on that side as well as a some age but the offense should definitely be the priority. We've watched Dawkins develop into our future LT. Zay Jones has developed a lot this year and hopefully continues to get better, looking like he could be a solid 2 option. Teller is getting his chance now and looked solid yesterday. Those extra 4th and 5th round picks could turn out to be impact players if they keep drafting the way they are drafting...Johnson, Milano and now potentially Teller. Get ready for another big roster turnover offseason, this time on the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, billsfan11 said: I can’t say I agree with your assessment. Has it helped statistically? Possibly. But if you have watched all 10 games this year , you should come to the conclusion that the Bills defence is pretty damn good Well, stats are all I'm referring to. I agree that they're a good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: That's not on the defense. If this defense was playing with an offense like the ones that the Chiefs or Rams have, you wouldn't be talking. Chiefs have an awful defense but look at their record. That’s my point. McDermott is putting the cart before the horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 10 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Wow, seriously? Please break down how this is stupid. Coincidentally, Mike Schopp said the same thing post-game. When you're down big, teams let the foot off the gas, therefore gaining fewer yards. The stat we're talking about is total yards. Yours is the stupid post, bud. Wow, Mike Schopp, that settles it, you brought in the heavyweight, no disputing him. Don't worry, six games to go there will be more to wine about and throw temper tantrums! Did you ever try just enjoying the win? 15 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: The defense end situation will always be a rotation. If you are familiar with how he likes to play the big fellas up front, the rotation keeps everyone fresh. There are some holes on that side as well as a some age but the offense should definitely be the priority. We've watched Dawkins develop into our future LT. Zay Jones has developed a lot this year and hopefully continues to get better, looking like he could be a solid 2 option. Teller is getting his chance now and looked solid yesterday. Those extra 4th and 5th round picks could turn out to be impact players if they keep drafting the way they are drafting...Johnson, Milano and now potentially Teller. Get ready for another big roster turnover offseason, this time on the offense. Great post! 5 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Chiefs have an awful defense but look at their record. That’s my point. McDermott is putting the cart before the horse. The Bills had a bend but don't break defense and the no huddle point machine from 90 - 93; the Giants, Skins, and Cowboys had great defense and I'm sure you know the end of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Watch people cite this during the offseason, expecting a repeat performance next year. Those folks will be surprised when the standings are worse next year. The Bills are the number one defense because teams have let off the gas so much in second halves. Have you been watching the games recently? The reason this defense gives up most of their points is because of our offense putting them in garbage situations or a pick six. They held the Pats and Pack to mostly field goals and with any offense we could have won those games. The defense is definitely a very good defense and it's led by our young talent so why wouldn't it improve? Plus with an improved offense, they will probably keep their intensity up and not let off themselves. The D absolutely dominated against Houston. All the fans complaining that we didn't take Watson and we made him look like a toddler with the ball out there. Nate gave up 14 points. Are you sure we are watching the same thing? Edited November 12, 2018 by Buffalo30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, vorpma said: The Bills had a bend but don't break defense and the no huddle point machine from 90 - 93; the Giants, Skins, and Cowboys had great defense and I'm sure you know the end of the story. I know that the Bills were undisciplined. I know Marv mismanaged those games. And I know that was an era long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: I know that the Bills were undisciplined. I know Marv mismanaged those games. And I know that was an era long gone. The point I am making is defense, good defense still wins games and gets you in the playoffs; brought into the modern era for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, vorpma said: The point I am making is defense, good defense still wins games and gets you in the playoffs; brought into the modern era for you! Ok. But it doesn’t. I mean of course the exception to the rule pops up here and there. But feel free to believe in backwards ideologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The reason why the Bills arent that highly rated with Points Against is because of turnovers. Several pick sixes and lots of turnovers giving the opposing team good field position. Chicago was a perfect example of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said: yes they are #1 in yard per game allowed at 302. 19th or so in ppg allowed #2 in passing yards per game The defense has been fantastic, I think the yards are down partly because of some of the blowouts the Bills have lost and won, the fourth quarters have sometimes been both teams trying to just get the game over. But the points being higher is partly due to the turnovers by the Bills offense, not just the pick sixes, also the short fields and three and outs. Also, this defense totally changed after the first half of week two when McDermott took things over and showed Frasier how its done. All in all, I am not sure I consider these guys the best defense in the league but based on yards given up they are. They are definitely one of the better defenses in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 D2D ... It is nice to see a dominant D Per ESPN... http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense Total D # 8 Total Yards # 1 total YPG # 5 passing yards # 2 passing YPG # 8 total rushing Yards # 12 rushing YPG # 25 total points allowed # 19 points per game allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 12 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Watch people cite this during the offseason, expecting a repeat performance next year. Those folks will be surprised when the standings are worse next year. The Bills are the number one defense because teams have let off the gas so much in second halves. Umm not really. But its a good theory. Just completely wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 46 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Have you been watching the games recently? The reason this defense gives up most of their points is because of our offense putting them in garbage situations or a pick six. They held the Pats and Pack to mostly field goals and with any offense we could have won those games. The defense is definitely a very good defense and it's led by our young talent so why wouldn't it improve? Plus with an improved offense, they will probably keep their intensity up and not let off themselves. The D absolutely dominated against Houston. All the fans complaining that we didn't take Watson and we made him look like a toddler with the ball out there. Nate gave up 14 points. Are you sure we are watching the same thing? I'm sorry, but that's just not how it works. Again, I am referring ONLY to defensive ranking in terms of yards allowed. The Bills may well be a better defense next year in terms of points allowed or other measures, but they will not be the "#1 defense" because this is based on yards. It never works this way in the NFL. When you have a great offense, you typically have a middle-of-the-road defense statistically. Again, the Bills do have a great defense. That is not at argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 11 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: When you're down big, teams let the foot off the gas, therefore gaining fewer yards. The stat we're talking about is total yards. This has some truth to it. The D was pretty good last season, they are looking good this season in most areas and I think it will carry over even more IF and when the offense starts to generate sustained drives. Your "best defense" is a good offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This has some truth to it. The D was pretty good last season, they are looking good this season in most areas and I think it will carry over even more IF and when the offense starts to generate sustained drives. Your "best defense" is a good offense. The defense is an absolute joy to watch when the offense is sustaining drives. Absolutely stifling. Playing fast, hitting, to’s. Let’s not forgot the offense literally gift wrapping 28 pts on to’s over previous 3 games skews our points against numbers as well. There are probably 5 or 6 playoff offenses that would give a kidney for the bills d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 12 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Wow, seriously? Please break down how this is stupid. Coincidentally, Mike Schopp said the same thing post-game. When you're down big, teams let the foot off the gas, therefore gaining fewer yards. The stat we're talking about is total yards. Yours is the stupid post, bud. If you're losing big it means the other team already put up a bunch of yards so you're weighing the second half without considering the first half. Good math guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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