Peter King with Murph & Tasker Today: Bills' QB Situation is Lunacy

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Really hmm but in March were you not drafting a QB?  So wouldnt it be smart having a real Vet in the Room? That started Over 10 NFL games 

Yes.  From what Tasker said today they were trying to get Anderson for quite a while, right?

[Punching Bag]

45 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I dont think that there's a single person on the planet other than McDermott &  Beane who isn't perplexed by Peterman being on the roster.

 

P5t5rman is perplexed being still on roster?

[MAJBobby]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Yes.  From what Tasker said today they were trying to get Anderson for quite a while, right?

 

Since before the draft???  Nope that was McCarron and Peterman. I notice you refuse to go when they started this entire mismanagement Free Agency

[RyanC883]

43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This disaster could have easily been avoided if they just would have cut ties with Peterman after seeing him last year. That’s what I would have done. I had seen enough. If they would have come to grips with the fact that he couldn’t play in this league they’d have had something like Allen, McCarron and Anderson. While that QB room isn’t spectacular it would have at least made sense. A vet, a young vet with some upside and a 1st round pick. 

 

I like it, but I would have taken a bigger risk with Bridgewater (he had an injury risk) and had Allen, Bridgewater, and Anderson.   

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes.  From what Tasker said today they were trying to get Anderson for quite a while, right?

 

I think this is possible.  Anderson did say something about teams contacting him earlier but he didn't feel the time was right.  Perhaps didn't want to do training camp, etc.  

 

I still don't get how Landry Jones is out there and Peterman is here.   The offensive system here is not that complex.  

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I like it, but I would have taken a bigger risk with Bridgewater (he had an injury risk) and had Allen, Bridgewater, and Anderson.   

Perfect, like that even better. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Since before the draft???  Nope that was McCarron and Peterman. I notice you refuse to go when they started this entire mismanagement Free Agency

I will go back to what I said before.  Knowing they were drafting a guy round 1 (and knowing they were going to clear cap space) they were not in the market to go after a Keenum or Bradford.  So they looked at lower tier FAs and McCarron made sense.  Then Peterman played great in preseason and McCarron didn't.

 

Their mistake was not bringing in a guy as soon as McCarron went.  But from what Tasker said they were trying.  And of course Peterman throws up on himself.

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I like it, but I would have taken a bigger risk with Bridgewater (he had an injury risk) and had Allen, Bridgewater, and Anderson.   

 

I think this is possible.  Anderson did say something about teams contacting him earlier but he didn't feel the time was right.  Perhaps didn't want to do training camp, etc.  

 

I still don't get how Landry Jones is out there and Peterman is here.   The offensive system here is not that complex.  

I agree about Jones.  But they did bring him in for a look and we don't know how that went.

[The_Dude]

I think Terry needs to die before this team has a chance in hell. Look at Terry’s sports history — absolutely awful. 

 

This is the 2nd coach he picked. It’s the 2nd coach who’s dedicated to the run and good defense. 

 

This team may very well suck till Terry dies/sells the team. 

 

Feels like Ralph’s last 10 years. 

 

Why hat am I still even watching?

 

 

[sleeby]

I've got it!  I'm the one that's got it figured out.  Everyone seems so miserable over this whole thing - let's lighten up and take the p-ss and smile, smile, smile.

 Trade JA to the giants for their first round pick and we tank with petermen and clean up the draft a la cleveland last spring.  We bring back the whammies and just laugh our way to 2019.    Almost half way there anyhow.  Ha.

[Saint Doug]

1 hour ago, stony said:

It's not like they didn't have any film on him or anything. 

Well, they had 2 games of film, so basically they didn’t have any film on him. 

[MAJBobby]

15 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I will go back to what I said before.  Knowing they were drafting a guy round 1 (and knowing they were going to clear cap space) they were not in the market to go after a Keenum or Bradford.  So they looked at lower tier FAs and McCarron made sense.  Then Peterman played great in preseason and McCarron didn't.

 

Their mistake was not bringing in a guy as soon as McCarron went.  But from what Tasker said they were trying.  And of course Peterman throws up on himself.

I agree about Jones.  But they did bring him in for a look and we don't know how that went.

 

Notice again you ignore

 

Bridgewater

Anderson

Moore

Henne

Fitzpatrick 

 

but hey guess McCarron and his three games was smart 

[1st&ten]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Who would you have brought in?  Bradford?  Hah!  The FA available QBs were all about the same.  And knowing they were going to draft a young guy no way they were going to spend huge dollars on someone like a Keenum.

 

With the state of our offensive line I think we should have just keep 3 QB's at least for 10--11 games.

[ProcessTruster]

33 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Teddy was a 1 year 6M contract. How is that going back into any Cap hell again?

assuming they are right up against the cap right now, signing Teddy at 6 perhaps would have meant no other FA signings this year , which would have been  unacceptable is my guess.   McCarron wasn't that much, and when he washed out they didn't even want to keep his lower number.  

 

I really don't know, but if they are as tight against the cap as we've been lead to believe , I would wager 6m is more than they've put out this year to all of their FA signings

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, George C said:

Give them a break.. nothing was mismanaged. They are after early draft choices and shedding dead money. End of story. 

 

Can someone explain to me, how this wasn't mismanaged? I see people saying they handled it correctly.

 

They drafted someone they even said they wanted to sit, and not rush into games. They said this for months. They signed McCarron and inexplicably kept Peterman.

 

Peterman absolutely did nothing to earn another shot after his performances in LA, and Jacksonville. That game played out just like Sunday's. McCarron wasn't proven, they did nothing to address the situation on the line.

 

They did nothing at WR. Anyone would be in a tough spot at QB, especially guys like McCarron and Peterman with a top 10 QB supposedly taking a red shirt year behind them. 

 

So they had two options, get a guy in who can handle adversity, or put more around McCarron and Peterman. Instead, they bailed on plan A with McCarron. And bailed on plans B, Peterman, and C, letting Allen sit.

 

They've looked like they have no plan and no resiliency to stick to it. I thought Bridgewater was the best gamble, by far.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

To trade your only slightly proven guy was a mistake

 

Here we go again. McCarron is not proven at all. And the high 5th round pick we got for him is infinitely more valuable than anything he offers to our team this year. There is practically a 0% chance his presence on the team contributes anything to our future. Based on how this regime has drafted, that 5th round pick has probably a 25-30% chance of contributing to our future. It was an easy decision and I wouldn't change it now. I wish Anderson had gotten here a few weeks sooner but it really is meaningless.

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

But Peterman was clearly better than McCarron in preseason.  The mystery is why Peterman throws up on himself

Yes.  Agree.  But if they actually thought he was the answer and could provide any help in growing Allen then they are idiots.

[Ol Dirty B]

36 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

I get get everything you’re saying and you’re right.   But we have the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year.   On the other hand, we have gobs of cap space in 2019 and 2020.   Circumstances like that don’t happen by chance.  Beane minimized spending this year to build a better future.  

 

This year is a train wreck by design.   You can’t let every other team to outspend you and expect to be competitive.

 

Having said all that, I’m guessing Beane didn’t expect the QB position to be this bad.

 

If this season is a planned trainwreck, under no circumstances do you put Allen out there. 

 

They have no plan. It is just incompetence.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Thank you Peter King. 

 

McD and Company seat should be getting warmer 

Horribly mismanaging the QB position should be grounds for termination in and of itself, no matter how recently you were hired.

[Kirby Jackson]

7 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

assuming they are right up against the cap right now, signing Teddy at 6 perhaps would have meant no other FA signings this year , which would have been  unacceptable is my guess.   McCarron wasn't that much, and when he washed out they didn't even want to keep his lower number.  

 

I really don't know, but if they are as tight against the cap as we've been lead to believe , I would wager 6m is more than they've put out this year to all of their FA signings

Money wouldn’t have been an issue at all in adding Bridgewater. They wanted to keep the path clear for their 1st round guy. They bungled the situation and there really is no way around it. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[TFBillsfan]

Imagine if any other player on the roster got torched for 10 Td’s in 4 games, fumbled 10 times in 4 games, they would be cut immediately,  yet somehow NP gets to stay on the roster with his play. Lunacy is correct. It’s an embarrassment our head coach can’t see that NP has no business being on any NFL roster! Belichek would of released him at halftime in SD! Decisions like this make me untrust the process and SMH!

[oldmanfan]

14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Notice again you ignore

 

Bridgewater

Anderson

Moore

Henne

Fitzpatrick 

 

but hey guess McCarron and his three games was smart 

What the hell are you talking about?  I said they should have gotten a veteran guy and they took McCarron.  I also said that the other FAs that were in their price range were all the same guy, and that they should have gotten one when they decided to trade McCarron.  And I said Bridgewater's knee scared tgem off as well as many other teams.

 

ignore?  You don't actually read what is posted.

15 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

 

With the state of our offensive line I think we should have just keep 3 QB's at least for 10--11 games.

Good point.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Can also rightfully Criticize going McCarron in offseason to begin with knowing you are about to draft a rookie. So your idea before draft is to put 2 5th round picks with a total what 5 games experience combined 

 

The alternative was paying Bradford $20 million or trading a 1st for Foles. If you want to nitpick i guess we should have signed Bridgewater, us and 30 other teams. But you know what I'm good with spending $5 million on a high 5th round pick. Yes even accounting for Peterman having to start 3 quarters of football. We'll get over it.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

The alternative was paying Bradford $20 million or trading a 1st for Foles. If you want to nitpick i guess we should have signed Bridgewater, us and 30 other teams. But you know what I'm good with spending $5 million on a high 5th round pick. Yes even accounting for Peterman having to start 3 quarters of football. We'll get over it.

If this season is a total wash as you say and doesn’t matter at all, why con Kyle Williams into playing? Why keep Shady and likely waste one of his last two good years? Why keep Lorax? 

[clearwater cadet]

McCarron should be been given the starting job for day 1 of camp. Let him keep the seat warm for Allen for 7, 12, or 16 games.  No one expect anything out of this team this year anyway.  They should have just focused of developing Allen. 

[Prickly Pete]

I don't even care who starts, it's all pretty much for laughs at this point.

Both Peterman and Anderson will probably see the field this season. It's all become a joke.

 

These Bweels are gonna set records for bad.

 

PS. I love the Defense. What a shame.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

If this season is a total wash as you say and doesn’t matter at all, why con Kyle Williams into playing? Why keep Shady and likely waste one of his last two good years? Why keep Lorax? 

 

Every player you mentioned is important to building the culture here. Phillips and Edmunds will learn a ton from Kyle and Lorax. And they didnt con anyone. We traded up for a raw rookie QB - do you think Kyle Williams has his eye on the Lombardi this year? After all the Bills teams he's been with this is the one that will break his spirit? This season is about developing our young talent. Trading Shady without his approval means you lose the locker room. Trading McCarron for a 5th round pick doesn't mean anything. He was here for training camp and vomited all over himself against future insurance salesmen. For all we know he could have been as terrible as Peterman was.

[Ray Finkel]

2 hours ago, unclepete said:

Any rational person would agree. Except they should have picked up Bridgewater or Derek Anderson in the offseason instead of McCarron.

I agree about Bridgewater.  I think he can be a good QB in this league.  His knee didn’t look like it was giving him any problems in the preseason.  He would have been a great addition to this team.

Is Thad Lewis still in the league.  Call him up!

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I actually would have been ok with that now in Hindsight of how they poorly managed this position group

 

When we are re-signing Edmunds to a massive extension in 5 years your hindsight will look very different

[macaroni]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Beane had rational reasons to make each of the decisions that he made.  But with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, we can see that Peter King is right.  The QB position - in its entirety - was mismanaged.  Given where we're at now, you can't argue the point.

 

 

Actually, yes you can … management decisions can not account for every possible variable so you have to end up taking calculated risks, and you can't judge past decisions using the benefit of hindsight. So if you agree that Beane had rational reasons to make each of the decisions that he made, than you can't possibly believe that the QB position - in its entirety was mismanaged.

 

I would agree that he could (or should) have handled it better by getting Anderson here the day after McCarron was traded, but that was a calculated risk that ended up biting them in the posterior. The only upsetting thing to me is why Anderson wasn't here the day after the first game when they knew (or should have known) Nate wasn't going to work out.

[SinceThe70s]

2 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

"To trade your only slightly proven guy was a mistake and clearly if you look at this situation logically you would say that it's absolute lunacy that it's likely or even possible that in Week 7 of the NFL season, the starting QB for the rest of the season could be a guy they picked up off the street.  It's been a mismanaged position."

 

"This has turned into a disaster at the most important position in team sports."

 

 

Breaking news...the esteemed Peter King has determined that the Bills inexplicable faith in NP has put them in a bad position at QB.

 

I for one didn't need PK or a new thread for confirmation of any of this.

[Reed83HOF]

 

[fansince88]

3 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

I can’t blame the FO for what has transpired. It was fairly clear in preseason that it Peterson won the job. And Allen was also playing very well for a rookie. McCarron was the worse QB on the roster. What the FO didn’t know, and what was their job to know, was that Peterman would completely destruct during the season. Allen is playing pretty much as expected. As for signing Anderson, looks like they had little other choice. 

Especially this^

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

A normal team coming off a playoff season would have kept Taylor, drafted Allen, and cut Peterman.  But that is not very Billsy, 

 

Wow.  Someone actually said it.  They made a huge mistake that will probably cost them their jobs.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

They look completely incompetent on the offensive side of the ball.

 

I agree.   

 

I know the Bills have the lowest paid roster in the NFL.  I wonder how that breaks down between offense and defense - because the D is actually playing well.   The O, on the other hand, is painful to watch.

 

1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

If this season is a planned trainwreck, under no circumstances do you put Allen out there. 

 

They have no plan. It is just incompetence.

 

I disagree.  In just one year with Beane, the defensive roster is already on its way to being very good.  

 

And - according to Over the Cap - we have the 4th most available cap dollars in 2019 and the most in 2020.  That didn't happen by accident.  Beane very planfully got rid of the big contracts so he'd have some money to spend going forward.  

 

While I'm convinced Beane has a plan,  I don't know if it'll be executed successfully because I don't know yet if Beane knows how to draft well or how to capably spend FA dollars.  We'll see.  

Allen was out there to gain live reps.  He's unpolished and needs experience under center - though the circumstances have been far from ideal. 

 

I'm sure McD is trying to win every game.  Given how he's managed the cap, Beane clearly sees this is a rebuilding year -   kind of like an extended preseason for 2019.  

[nedboy7]

I so miss having a half assed QB.  TT should not have been replaced before a battle in camp. 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Every player you mentioned is important to building the culture here. Phillips and Edmunds will learn a ton from Kyle and Lorax. And they didnt con anyone. We traded up for a raw rookie QB - do you think Kyle Williams has his eye on the Lombardi this year? After all the Bills teams he's been with this is the one that will break his spirit? This season is about developing our young talent. Trading Shady without his approval means you lose the locker room. Trading McCarron for a 5th round pick doesn't mean anything. He was here for training camp and vomited all over himself against future insurance salesmen. For all we know he could have been as terrible as Peterman was.

Then how come the same doesn’t apply to the offense? 

[keepthefaith]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Peterman had 2 very good preseasons. I can also hit a great bucket of balls, but once I get out on the course it gets ugly.

 

Not a bad analogy. 

[Ol Dirty B]

12 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I agree.   

 

I know the Bills have the lowest paid roster in the NFL.  I wonder how that breaks down between offense and defense - because the D is actually playing well.   The O, on the other hand, is painful to watch.

 

 

I disagree.  In just one year with Beane, the defensive roster is already on its way to being very good.  

 

And - according to Over the Cap - we have the 4th most available cap dollars in 2019 and the most in 2020.  That didn't happen by accident.  Beane very planfully got rid of the big contracts so he'd have some money to spend going forward.  

 

While I'm convinced Beane has a plan,  I don't know if it'll be executed successfully because I don't know yet if Beane knows how to draft well or how to capably spend FA dollars.  We'll see.  

Allen was out there to gain live reps.  He's unpolished and needs experience under center - though the circumstances have been far from ideal. 

 

I'm sure McD is trying to win every game.  Given how he's managed the cap, Beane clearly sees this is a rebuilding year -   kind of like an extended preseason for 2019.  

 

That's the one thing I'll give them. They have a plan to create as much cap space possible, and do it their way.

 

Defensively, can't argue with it at all. I'm just not sure I see any plan with the offense other than drafting some QB high. They just did nothing there outside of QB. Was the thought process maybe you take the LT in 17, he'll protect the QB in 18? It ended up being not enough and is being very generous to them.

 

So this next year they're going to build the whole offense? They just have so much to do on that side of the ball and completely ignored it. It just makes it tough for me to have faith in any sort of plan.

[#34fan]

Say Anderson gets hurt behind this junk o-line?  -Then what?... Jon Kitna?  

 

 

[klos63]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

But Peterman was clearly better than McCarron in preseason.  The mystery is why Peterman throws up on himself

Preseason means very little. It's been covered for years, no gameplan, vanilla defense, many players won't be in the league come opening day. Fans could get fooled year after year but pro personnel shouldn't be.

[BillsFan4]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Since before the draft???  Nope that was McCarron and Peterman. I notice you refuse to go when they started this entire mismanagement Free Agency

Actually, Tasker said that they tried to sign Anderson and ended up with McCarron (after Anderson turned them down). So yes, they did try to sign him before the draft. 

 

They tried to sign Josh McCown too (peter king was actually the one to first report it), but he chose the Jets. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by BillsFan4