Peter King with Murph & Tasker Today: Bills' QB Situation is Lunacy

[LABILLBACKER]

13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I didn't want him on the team at all in 2018.

I wanted McCarron (I will admit) and a Bridgewater or any serviceable backup (Glennon etc).

 

I still don't want NP and would take Paxton Lynch or Landry Jones today, and I do mean today.

I've said this 3 weeks ago. I know they're bad but compared to NP,  Lynch or Jones are world class.  Now we have to wait for Anderson to get to speed.  McCarron wasn't the right choice to be the so called veteran mentor to Josh.

[RaoulDuke79]

I dont think that there's a single person on the planet other than McDermott &  Beane who isn't perplexed by Peterman being on the roster.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

And thus my statements above.  They can be rightfully criticized for not bringing in a vet like these guys when they traded McCarron but none of these guys really stands out over the other.

 

Cool my statement is they dicked this up from Jump because of the Peterman Love 

 

they though it was smart going into the draft with Peterman and McCarron 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Cool my statement is they dicked this up from Jump because of the Peterman Love 

 

they though it was smart going into the draft with Peterman and McCarron 

And back to my statements above on Peterman. The guy earned a spot in his preseasons then throws up on himself in regular season games.

 

I think Anderson starts Sunday.  A vet with our D should be able to win that one.

[Kirby Jackson]

This disaster could have easily been avoided if they just would have cut ties with Peterman after seeing him last year. That’s what I would have done. I had seen enough. If they would have come to grips with the fact that he couldn’t play in this league they’d have had something like Allen, McCarron and Anderson. While that QB room isn’t spectacular it would have at least made sense. A vet, a young vet with some upside and a 1st round pick. 

[Fadingpain]

9 minutes ago, zow2 said:

McBeane believed in preseason results. They shoulda had more sense than that. In hindsight it is lunacy to keep Peterman as #1 when you have no clue if he can play under real game pressure (he failed miserably in his one road start, did ok in half a snow game).  And they go with Allen at#2  when he also had no experience in real game action. When defenses actually game plan.  

Thank you.  This is not a "hindsight is 20/20" kind of thing as some have said.

 

McDermott was foolish enough to rely heavily on pre-season game performance as a predictor who would work in real football games.  He's not a HC; he's a DC masquerading as one.

 

BTW:  There was a "predict something for the upcoming season" thread here in August.

 

I predicted we'd all be bitching about how the QB situation was handled.  Someone dig it up if you like.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yeah but he consistently did well in preseason and earned a spot.  Then he just does what he does in games.  Just a mystery to me.

Shouldn’t be. Preseason games are at 3/4 speed. Peterman can play in games at 3/4 speed. Regular season games are at full speed. Peterman cannot play in games at full speed. 

 

Many of us said this before it happened last year and then again this year. It wasn’t even a prediction. It was just seeing he didn’t have the physical capability, amongst other issues. 

[Helpmenow]

Peterman making $550,000 might, have something do why he is here as opposed to somebody else.

[Livinginthepast]

Peter King is right the whole Peterman vs TT debacle last year was lunacy. Peterman simply wasn't ready to play esp not vs the Chargers last year.  The fact that Peterman "won" the QB competition vs Allen based on useless preseason performance is lunacy. The fact that they did not  have a veteran mentor for Allen is lunacy. The fact that they even trusted Peterman to be a backup to Allen or anyone is lunacy. The fact that they thought they would be fine with THIS Horrible oline , a raw rookie QB backed up by a QB who performed that horribly is lunacy.

 

I just cannot understand how Beane and McD can even try to justify this mismanagement. At the very least they have to man up and admit they have completely sh*t the bed on this entire QB file. I just wonder how Pegula feels as he watches this slow moving train wreck???

[george c]

Give them a break.. nothing was mismanaged. They are after early draft choices and shedding dead money. End of story. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, George C said:

Give them a break.. nothing was mismanaged. They are after early draft choices and shedding dead money. End of story. 

 

The entire thing was mismanaged. Those that refuse to see that are drunk on process or concussed from going thru tables 

[KW95 - JA17]

How come no one was talking about this before the debacle?

 

Was I the only one jumping up and down after the ZAY TD?

 

Was I the only who thought he played well as reliever except our defence shat the bed on the final drive?

Edited October 16, 2018 by KW95

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, KW95 said:

How come no one was talking about this before the debacle?

A lot were. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, KW95 said:

How come no one was talking about this before the debacle?

 

Was I the only one jumping up and down after the ZAY TD?

 

Was I the only who thought he played well as reliever except our defence shat the bed on the final drive?

 

They were but like typical Bills fans anyone that says something in contradiction to what the coaches think or decide is ignored. 

 

Well until the masses decide it is Billboard time

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, KW95 said:

How come no one was talking about this before the debacle?

 

Half the board didn't want Peterman on the Bills going into the 2018 season.

Peterman, if he starts the next game or two is a complete embarrassment.

[KW95 - JA17]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Half the board didn't want Peterman on the Bills going into the 2018 season.

Peterman, if he starts the next game or two is a complete embarrassment.

 

Didn't he have the best preseason?  

 

Didn't he play well?

 

Love hindsight....and yes, get rid of him...but I believe Anderson is a piece of turd as well....

[Peter]

Mismanaged is an understatement . . . on multiple levels. 

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, KW95 said:

 

Didn't he have the best preseason?  

 

Didn't he play well?

 

Love hindsight....and yes, get rid of him...but I believe Anderson is a piece of turd as well....

Many said all he did in preseason was show what we knew he could do already, and didn’t show what he had trouble with. So if you were looking, no he didn’t have the best preseason. Both Josh and McCarron showed they could do more things and make all throws. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, KW95 said:

 

Didn't he have the best preseason?  

 

Didn't he play well?

 

Love hindsight....and yes, get rid of him...but I believe Anderson is a piece of turd as well....

 

It's not hindsight for half the board who did not want NP on the team at all this year.

Even after the AJM trade and NPs first game benching there have been dozens of threads about bringing in another QB on

both the 53 roster and the PS.

 

Of course you can believe what you want.

[KW95 - JA17]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Many said all he did in preseason was show what we knew he could do already, and didn’t show what he had trouble with. So if you were looking, no he didn’t have the best preseason. Both Josh and McCarron showed they could do more things and make all throws. 

 

Im not looking and never looked.  Coaches get paid to do that for me!

 

Oh well, we know what we have.  It's not an easy situation for the coach.  Look at Doug Marrone struggling with his offence and now his defence has let him down in back to back games.

 

Its tough to Win in the NFL

[Tcali]

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

"To trade your only slightly proven guy was a mistake and clearly if you look at this situation logically you would say that it's absolute lunacy that it's likely or even possible that in Week 7 of the NFL season, the starting QB for the rest of the season could be a guy they picked up off the street.  It's been a mismanaged position."

 

"This has turned into a disaster at the most important position in team sports."

 

From Hour 3 of One Bills Live today.

Starts 2 minutes into the hour.

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/10-16-hr-3-one-bills-live

its a mismanaged franchise

[KW95 - JA17]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Where the ***** you been? 

 

 

Working..you?

[oldmanfan]

I think there is justifiable criticism that they didn't have a vet like Anderson in when McCarron got traded, although someoneposted today they were trying to get Anderson in since the summer.

 

That said, if they brought Anderson in 6 weeks ago, would that have meant theBills were brilliant?   Would it have negated "lunacy"?  Of course not.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, KW95 said:

 

Didn't he have the best preseason?  

 

Didn't he play well?

 

Love hindsight....and yes, get rid of him...but I believe Anderson is a piece of turd as well....

No hindsight from a lot of us. There are about 5 dozen posts saying pretty much this:

 

That is exactly what happened.

[thurst44]

59 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Who would you have brought in?  Bradford?  Hah!  The FA available QBs were all about the same.  And knowing they were going to draft a young guy no way they were going to spend huge dollars on someone like a Keenum.

And ask a Denver fan how Keenum's working out. 

[MAJBobby]

12 minutes ago, KW95 said:

 

Didn't he have the best preseason?  

 

Didn't he play well?

 

Love hindsight....and yes, get rid of him...but I believe Anderson is a piece of turd as well....

 

So your one of those that put alot of stock in PreSeason. 

 

I suggest the PreSeason Pledge 

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, unclepete said:

Any rational person would agree. Except they should have picked up Bridgewater or Derek Anderson in the offseason instead of McCarron.

 

Steve Tasker said today on One Bills Live that the Bills have been trying to bring Derek Anderson in since free agency opened up. 

 

Tasker said that he thought Anderson didn’t want to go through training camp and gave another reason why it took so long but I can’t remember what it was... lol. 

 

 

I fully agree on Brigewater though. Especially when I saw what he signed with the Jets for.

There were numerous QB needy teams that didn’t even try to pursue him. The Jets are the only team I know of to even offer him a deal, so it’s not like the Bills were the only ones. But man, I wish we would have signed him... Maybe his knee injury scared teams off? I don’t know. 

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, KW95 said:

 

Im not looking and never looked.  Coaches get paid to do that for me!

 

Oh well, we know what we have.  It's not an easy situation for the coach.  Look at Doug Marrone struggling with his offence and now his defence has let him down in back to back games.

 

Its tough to Win in the NFL

 

Channeling your inner Dicky J

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

Steve Tasker said today on One Bills Live that the Bills have been trying to bring Derek Anderson in since free agency opened up. 

 

Tasker said that he thought Anderson didn’t want to go through training camp and gave another reason why it took so long but I can’t remember what it was... lol. 

 

 

I fully agree on Brigewater though. Especially when I saw what he signed with the Jets for.

There were numerous QB needy teams that didn’t even try to pursue him. The Jets are the only team I know of to even offer him a deal, so it’s not like the Bills were the only ones. But man, I wish we would have signed him... Maybe his knee injury scared teams off? I don’t know. 

I'm quite sure his knee had teams scared to death.  He's lucky he still has that leg.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Cardinals “did the right thing” and got a veteran starter in Sam Bradford. He stunk up the joint like everyone knew he would and that’s $20MM sitting on the bench. 

 

The Broncos paid for Case Keenum and they’re 2-4. 

 

The Bills tried to give AJ MCCarron his chance, and he played like Matt Cassel, a dump off machine. 

 

Bottom line is Allen struggled, didn’t look good, so the Bills are stuck scrambling. 

 

If EJ was good in 2013, then the folly of signing Kevin Kolb would be forgotten. 

Edited October 16, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck

[ProcessTruster]

Whatever.   Allen's the guy.   McCarron was bad in camp and preseason.   Allen goes down, you're f d.   Got it.  No one has a #1 QB for a backup, unless they are paying starter $ for him, and cap hell is what McBeanes are trying to stay out of, not go straight back into with Teddy , et al. 

 

For example, Jimmy G. goes down, 49ers are f'd.   So,  did the 49ers mismanage the most important position in pro sports Mr. King?   Until Jimmy G. went down, 49ers were praised for killing it at the QB position-- hell they gambled on Jimmy G. last year and won, and were named heroes.         Now they're f'd and look stupid rolling out Beathard (who slung it pretty good last night).    It's how it goes with the "most important position in sports".   Next. 

 

McBeanes don't give a cr-p what King says.  They'll go with Nate (BTW, not many guys can come off the bench and throw that TD ball to Jones) and go from there.   Allen's the guy.  In fact, this actually works out well as Allen could probably use a couple games watching on the sidelines.  

 

They had to rip the bandaid off and get Allen in there.  So far, so good.  He hasn't gotten killed yet.   Couple weeks watching probably good.  Trust the Process.

Edited October 16, 2018 by ProcessTruster

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

I'm quite sure his knee had teams scared to death.  He's lucky he still has that leg.

 

That's true but he signed for 500k guaranteed.  That's peanuts.  Bills could of signed him for 1 million guaranteed.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, ProcessTruster said:

Whatever.   Allen's the guy.   McCarron was bad in camp and preseason.   Allen goes down, you're f d.   Got it.  No one has a #1 QB for a backup, unless they are paying starter $ for him, and cap hell is what McBeanes are trying to stay out of, not go straight back into with Teddy , et al. 

 

For example, Jimmy G. goes down, 49ers are f'd.   So,  did the 49ers mismanage the most important position in pro sports Mr. King?   Until Jimmy G. went down, 49ers were praised for killing it at the QB position-- hell they gambled on Jimmy G. last year and won, and were named heroes.         Now they're f'd and look stupid rolling out Beathard (who slung it pretty good last night).    It's how it goes with the "most important position in sports".   Next. 

 

McBeanes don't give a cr-p what King says.  They'll go with Nate (BTW, not many guys can come off the bench and throw that TD ball to Jones) and go from there.   Allen's the guy.  In fact, this actually works out well as Allen could probably use a couple games watching on the sidelines.

 

Teddy was a 1 year 6M contract. How is that going back into any Cap hell again?

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The Cardinals “did the right thing” and got a veteran backup in Sam Bradford. He stunk up the joint like everyone knew he would and that’s $20MM sitting on the bench. 

 

The Broncos paid for Case Keenum and they’re 2-4. 

 

The Bills tried to give AJ MCCarron his chance, and he played like Matt Cassel, a dump off machine. 

 

Bottom line is Allen struggled, didn’t look good, so the Bills are stuck scrambling. 

 

If EJ was good in 2013, then the folly of signing Kevin Kolb would be forgotten. 

There is one thing that you left out. The ONLY other guy that the Bills ended up keeping was off to the worst start that a QB has ever had. While Keenum, Bradford, Kolb and McCarron have all had varying degrees of success in this league Peterman had not. The decision would be much easier to defend if they kept someone like Anderson to begin with. Having confidence in Peterman is where this thing got sideways. That’s on the FO.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

That's true but he signed for 500k guaranteed.  That's peanuts.  Bills could of signed him for 1 million guaranteed.

True.  In March.  When everyone had concerns if he could play at all.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

True.  In March.  When everyone had concerns if he could play at all.

 

Really hmm but in March were you not drafting a QB?  So wouldnt it be smart having a real Vet in the Room? That started Over 10 NFL games 

[Coach Tuesday]

Holy hell did they botch this.  My goodness.

[TSOL]

"Quarterback? We don't need no stinkin' quarterback!" 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

There is one thing that you left out. The ONLY other guy that the Bills ended up keeping was off to the worst start that a QB has ever had. While Keenum, Bradford, Kolb and McCarron have all had varying degrees of success in this league Peterman had not. The decision would be much easier to defend if they kept someone like Anderson to begin with. Having confidence in Peterman is where this thing got sideways. That’s on the FO.

I agree. The FO is paid to know more than the fans. 

 

This what you get with a defensive coordinator for a Coach, who thinks it’s 1946. 

[hondo in seattle]

27 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Peter King is right the whole Peterman vs TT debacle last year was lunacy. Peterman simply wasn't ready to play esp not vs the Chargers last year.  The fact that Peterman "won" the QB competition vs Allen based on useless preseason performance is lunacy. The fact that they did not  have a veteran mentor for Allen is lunacy. The fact that they even trusted Peterman to be a backup to Allen or anyone is lunacy. The fact that they thought they would be fine with THIS Horrible oline , a raw rookie QB backed up by a QB who performed that horribly is lunacy.

 

I just cannot understand how Beane and McD can even try to justify this mismanagement. At the very least they have to man up and admit they have completely sh*t the bed on this entire QB file. I just wonder how Pegula feels as he watches this slow moving train wreck???

 

 

I get get everything you’re saying and you’re right.   But we have the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year.   On the other hand, we have gobs of cap space in 2019 and 2020.   Circumstances like that don’t happen by chance.  Beane minimized spending this year to build a better future.  

 

This year is a train wreck by design.   You can’t let every other team to outspend you and expect to be competitive.

 

Having said all that, I’m guessing Beane didn’t expect the QB position to be this bad.