Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Fitzgerald had over 100 receptions and 1,000 yards the last 3 seasons in a row. Jerry Rice had three 1,000 receiving yard seasons and 3 more 800+ yard seasons when he was playing at an older age than Larry is today. Get a clue buddy. Yea so dominant that he had to get moved to the slot and get used as a good route runner with good hands utilized by a good veteran qb. As of right now Larry fitz isn’t even a top 30 wr if you were going to start a team and play for one year and could pick from all the wr talent in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Binghamton Beast said: Right, and I get that. But the violent nature in which his elbow was hit.....watch it closely. The joint doesn’t look right. I mean, he’s going to get it looked at. But pre-imaging probability places it at 1000-1. Especially bc they almost certainly tested the joint on the sideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Sit Allen cut Peterman start Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, wppete said: Sit Allen cut Peterman start Anderson. There really needs to be a negative rep function on this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Hmm. He was a bit more poised I will give you that. He was less skittish than the last two games. As for decision making..... less convinced. The bar is low. His was terrible in his first start (Chargers). Vikings game he showed flashes in what was an anomaly. Atrocious against the Packers. The last two games he's made steady progress - especially today IMO considering the environment. That said - progress isn't perfectly linear. Life doesn't work that way. There are ups and downs. Five games isn't nearly enough of a sample size to make that determination. In the end you just hope the forward steps outnumber the backward steps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Sit Allen cut Peterman start Anderson. No. Allen is the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 He needs to get the ball out of his hands faster and look for his second and third reads before running. Other than that I think he has the makings of a pretty good starting QB. Yes his accuracy is awful sometimes but I think when you get TALENT around him his flaws will be insignificant. He can more than make up for a few missed throws a game with his arm and pressing the ball down the feild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Can we please ban anyone who states we need to start Anderson. He’s worse than Allen, so let the kid develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, PayDaBill$ said: Is he really the answer? Looks like the least competent and ready of all the top 18 QB’s. He’s really a raw talent almost makes we wonder if he’ll ever develop. People won't accept what's smacking them in the face when it comes to Allen. We used a ton of assets to get him, so those that hyped themselves up on him during the offseason will need a loooong time to adjust their perception on him. Remember all those posts claiming accuracy doesnt matter, stats don't matter, performance in his own conference didnt matter, play against good opponents didn't matter, etc.? The defensive fortress went up quickly, so it'll take a massive amount of miserable performances to chip away at it and have a realistic discussion on Allen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Everything you needed to know about Allen was there in college, ya’ just had to watch .... big strong kid questionable skills Edited October 14, 2018 by PayDaBill$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: The bar is low. His was terrible in his first start (Chargers). Vikings game he showed flashes in what was an anomaly. Atrocious against the Packers. The last two games he's made steady progress - especially today IMO considering the environment. That said - progress isn't perfectly linear. Life doesn't work that way. There are ups and downs. Five games isn't nearly enough of a sample size to make that determination. In the end you just hope the forward steps outnumber the backward steps. Of course. And I am not saying "he's a bust." I am saying there isn't a lot here yet to hang your hat on. He needs to start to play better in certain facets. Not consistently for 60 minutes... that is probably some way off... but at times in games. He has no help, but he also hasn't done enough to make me feel good about the way things are going so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, wppete said: Sit Allen cut Peterman start Anderson. Yes cut Peterman. Please no with Anderson, the guy was unemployed until recently. What do you learn by starting Anderson? Maybe sneak into the playoffs only to lose in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, PayDaBill$ said: Is he really the answer? Looks like the least competent and ready of all the top 18 QB’s. He’s really a raw talent almost makes we wonder if he’ll ever develop. You may have a point, but the fact that you're a (*^*&%^$^#kind of negates anything you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Can we please ban anyone who states we need to start Anderson. He’s worse than Allen, so let the kid develop How do you figure? Anderson is not an all pro but Allen cannot move the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigDingus said: People won't accept what's smacking them in the face when it comes to Allen. We used a ton of assets to get him, so those that hyped themselves up on him during the offseason will need a loooong time to adjust their perception on him. Remember all those posts claiming accuracy doesnt matter, stats don't matter, performance in his own conference didnt matter, play against good opponents didn't matter, etc.? The defensive fortress went up quickly, so it'll take a massive amount of miserable performances to chip away at it and have a realistic discussion on Allen. Or maybe your just a dingus and dont know what your talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 He can throw very, very far. He was my 4th choice. But he’s OUR GUY now and I’ll wait and see how it turns out. I’m 100% in on Josh as it’s waaaaay too soon to know how this turns out. Hope the elbow isn’t a big deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I love this kids passion, hatred of losing, and leadership but he's not going to make it. The flaws are impossible to overcome. The accuracy has not shown one iota of improvement. The decision-making and commitment to throw the ball where he needs to is non-existent. I don't want it to be the case but the the love affair with the tools is neanderthal thinking on the part of the the front office. No one ever fixes these problems and turns a QB into a pro bowler, all pro, or super bowl winner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, PayDaBill$ said: Everything you needed to know about Allen was there in college, ya’ just had to watch .... big strong kid questionable skills There is nothing questionable about Josh Allen's physical skills....which are in fact special. Kid is a gamer......who is raw and needs work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: You may have a point, but the fact that you're a (*^*&%^$^#kind of negates anything you post. Yawn...seriously? Edited October 14, 2018 by PayDaBill$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, zonabb said: I love this kids passion, hatred of losing, and leadership but he's not going to make it. The flaws are impossible to overcome. The accuracy has not shown one iota of improvement. The decision-making and commitment to throw the ball where he needs to is non-existent. I don't want it to be the case but the the love affair with the tools is neanderthal thinking on the part of the the front office. No one ever fixes these problems and turns a QB into a pro bowler, all pro, or super bowl winner. HE WAS NOT INACCURATE TODAY.......christ Just now, PayDaBill$ said: Yawn Actually....I dont even think you have a point..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, zonabb said: I love this kids passion, hatred of losing, and leadership but he's not going to make it. The flaws are impossible to overcome. The accuracy has not shown one iota of improvement. The decision-making and commitment to throw the ball where he needs to is non-existent. I don't want it to be the case but the the love affair with the tools is neanderthal thinking on the part of the the front office. No one ever fixes these problems and turns a QB into a pro bowler, all pro, or super bowl winner. why comment when you didn't watch? Saying he didn't show improved accuracy today is not valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Were you people watching the same game? He looked okay and again thwarted by lousy play calling and being put in bad positions to make plays. The coaching staff has no idea what they are doing on the offensive side of the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Allen deserves an opportunity to have reasonable blocking up front and legit receivers. That's not gonna happen this year. With that being said, if the Bills don't draft another QB high next year they are doing it wrong. You have to get that position right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Clause Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: Yea so dominant that he had to get moved to the slot and get used as a good route runner with good hands utilized by a good veteran qb. As of right now Larry fitz isn’t even a top 30 wr if you were going to start a team and play for one year and could pick from all the wr talent in the league. Yet he is better than anything in our roster, so your point is foolish, nice try though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 This is very bad 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just when Allen and Benjamin was starting to get on the same page. Only people I'm dissapointed in was ray ray, Peterman and Beane head for trading McCarron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I think he is getting better each week even if the stats don't show it. He needs to see the field better, stay in the pocket and get rid of the ball quicker. Throwing on the run leads to inaccuracy, which is a problem for him. leadership and willingness to win are without question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, JM57 said: This is very bad Not as bad when he runs like he does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Two opinions can both be true. I think hes been struggling a good bit. I also think a lot of that is to be expected, and with some weapons around him, he could be big time. He’s shown plenty of flashes in his handful of starts. Edited October 14, 2018 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Can we please ban anyone who states we need to start Anderson. He’s worse than Allen, so let the kid develop He'd have a better chance of developing on the bench. People wanting Anderson to start are likely wanting what Allen and the Bill's should've had in the first place - an experienced vet to mentor the rookie while simultaneously giving us a buffer for the year and allowing our 7th overall pick to not embarrass himself on a weekly basis. Because if you call what you've seen of Allen so far "developing," you obviously enjoy complete and utter failure. We had 29 passing yards right before Allen had his 1 big pass & went down...He had 82 last week, and the week before was in the 80's until GB went into garbage time mode midway through the 4th. If you add Allen's Passer Rating the last 3 weeks together, sure, he's sitting at a 159.6, better than a perfect 158.3! But if you consider that his average becomes 53.2, that's Peterman today level performance.... for 3 straight weeks. Edited October 14, 2018 by BigDingus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, BigDingus said: People won't accept what's smacking them in the face when it comes to Allen. We used a ton of assets to get him, so those that hyped themselves up on him during the offseason will need a loooong time to adjust their perception on him. Remember all those posts claiming accuracy doesnt matter, stats don't matter, performance in his own conference didnt matter, play against good opponents didn't matter, etc.? The defensive fortress went up quickly, so it'll take a massive amount of miserable performances to chip away at it and have a realistic discussion on Allen. What you say is correct but just said very negatively and without hope that maybe Allen can develop. Myself and the rest of the fans for the Bills want Allen to succeed and develop so he can help our team win. Allen is in his first season. Tell me one player in the NFL who got worse the more experience he got? Heck even Peterman has played better than his first start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Not as bad when he runs like he does. No its not, big bodied Cam Newton ripped a new ahole into the league with his legs. Myself personally, Allen doesn't get injured Bills win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Not as bad when he runs like he does. He averaged 5 yards per carry today which means he averaged less than that per throwing attempt. Very bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) I reserve judgment until after the season at the earliest. Even if the Bills think Josh remains a viable possibility as a franchise QB, I wouldn't object to drafting another developmental guy. Peterman has run out of chances to even be a backup in the NFL. The Bills can never be sure he's not going to continue to throw interceptions. The 49ers drafted CJ Beathard late, and he lookes like a viable backup. The Bills could do the same. If they decide Josh Allen is bust bound, then the plan has to be draft a QB early. For the record, I think he played better today than last week Edited October 14, 2018 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, JM57 said: He averaged 5 yards per carry today which means he averaged less than that per throwing attempt. Very bad. Good D's in the NFL are going to make rookies earn their keep. I see progress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Figster said: Good D's in the NFL are going to make rookies earn their keep. I see progress... My favorite play of his today was a 4 yd keeper where he slid. Smart, mature play. His other running scares me. It seemed like he was pressing a bit and needed to make a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Allen will be good. Give it some time Signed Teddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Figster said: Good D's in the NFL are going to make rookies earn their keep. I see progress... Technically speaking, 84 yards in 3ish quarters IS progress over 82 yards in 4. Having three fingers is also better than having none, but it still isn't good. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Allen looks exactly as advertised on the scouting reports. He looks like a guy who should have been picked in the 4th or 5th round who would compete for a roster spot. He looks completely outmatched out there. There's been no progress since the Bengals preseason game. Edited October 14, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 The Bills already had Josh Allen on the roster when they drafted him. His name is Logan Thomas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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