Rigotz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We. Are. Rebuilding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: You have to think long term. Is Shady part of our the full rebuild?  I doubt it.  If you can get multiple mid level picks, you have to take it  I like your take usually.  So let me ask you. How’s kyle or Lorax part of the long term build?  Part of the long term is giving Allen some tools to learn with. Otherwise he is learning to loose IMO.  1 minute ago, Rigotz said: We. Are. Rebuilding.  Yes. This is the rebuild. You don’t have to make it even more complicated.  It’s enogh we have a rookie QB who seems lost and doesn’t have anyone to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I know Beane and McDermott love to trade core players on the team like their candy but honestly taking away Josh’s only safety blanket seems ridiculous but more then likely shady is getting traded leaving a rookie qb with a below average receiving corps..an average oline..and marginal running backs..as long as we get draft picks and the right guys hey what could go wrong ?  Of all the moves they made with shedding young guys, trading an expensive high mileage back on the wrong side of 30 is pretty reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 49 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I’m sorry. People talk about market value...  well I’ll tell you  there is no market value for a pro bowl / all pro future HoF RB.. even if he’s 30  To the right team he’s invaluable  i get he isn’t as valuable as when he was 26 but he has a lot of value to the right team  there isn’t an arbitrary age or # that says it’s over... Shady can make a playoff team a SB contender, he still is our best weapon when used properly  He is easily worth a 2 and 3 and I realistically wouldn’t even want to do that. Yea you can strike gold round 3, you can also get Preston brown... I’ll tell you 1 thing, you aren’t getting shady  i get people want picks but Allen needs players he can trust and Shady is one of the few and a captain . He catches 50 balls a year and is invaluable to a young QB  Peopel think we have 10 draft picks so we will find 10 starters. It’s surreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, mannc said: I agree.  If I were the Eagles, I would not be too worried about losing Jay Ajayi.  I’d just sign some guy off someone’s practice squad instead of giving away draft picks for a 30-year old RB. Yep. A gem like Jonathan Williams could be easily grabbed from the Colts PS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I know Beane and McDermott love to trade core players on the team like their candy but honestly taking away Josh’s only safety blanket seems ridiculous but more then likely shady is getting traded leaving a rookie qb with a below average receiving corps..an average oline..and marginal running backs..as long as we get draft picks and the right guys hey what could go wrong ? If Philly really wants McCoy, and I'm Beane, I am finalizing that deal before the phone is hung up.  I'll take a 3rd round pick or better.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rico said: Yep. A gem like Jonathan Williams could be easily grabbed from the Colts PS. There's also a stud out there who averages 7 YPC. Can't believe he hasn't been claimed.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, mannc said: I agree.  If I were the Eagles, I would not be too worried about losing Jay Ajayi.  I’d just sign some guy off someone’s practice squad instead of giving away draft picks for a 30-year old RB.   You're a breath of fresh air on here.  It's nice to know the board has fans that get it and see things outside the confines of western NY.  Agree with you 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Bills should have some leverage. McCoy's contract is actually very reasonable which should make it more alluring for the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Shady in his pc today sounded to me like he wants to go back home. Ive always thought that anyways, and we know he didnt want to leave. Between his and mcdermotts pc's today imo its only a matter of time before it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Just in Atlanta said: I get the logic. But the fact that so many fans are seemingly WANTING to get rid of our No. 1 offensive talent for future picks IS kinda crazy.  I'd be on board for an exchange of a legit WR and an above average offensive lineman. McCoy is still one of the greats in this game.  This team will be unwatchable without him or some other talent. Trading him away for only unsure draft picks is a huge gamble. Keeping him is not.  I have nothing against Shady. However, I am a huge proponent of hoarding draft picks. The more you have, the better your odds of getting good/great players.  Our offense is atrocious. By the time Allen’s development is at a level in which the Bills are legitimate contenders, Shady will no longer be here.  If someone can offer a third or better for him, it’s an absolute no-brainer to bid him farewell. . It’s not even debateable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wayne Arnold Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Â Â Sounds like a guy who wants nothing to do with going back home and playing for the defending Super Bowl champions. #sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Virgil said: You have to think long term. Is Shady part of our the full rebuild?  I doubt it.  If you can get multiple mid level picks, you have to take it He can be if used properly. Will he a 3 down back again? Probably not, but he can still be a difference maker. Have Murphy and Ivory get the crap kicked out of them on 1st and 2nd down, but when it's 3rd down and we really need to get that 1st down, McCoy goes into the backfield. McCoy also goes in within the 20 yard line and clutch situations. Do that and he'll probably average over 4.5ypc and be a 1st down machine, redzone threat, clutch player and veteran leader. He has value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I say With McCoy they get 6 wins  Without McCoy 5 wins  They are currently 1-0 without him. (Vikings)   Is he really worth more than a win?   Trade him. It would free up millions and get a mid round pick. There is no rational reason to keep him. Edited October 10, 2018 by Kevin1778 Clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I know Beane and McDermott love to trade core players on the team like their candy but honestly taking away Josh’s only safety blanket seems ridiculous but more then likely shady is getting traded leaving a rookie qb with a below average receiving corps..an average oline..and marginal running backs..as long as we get draft picks and the right guys hey what could go wrong ? In 1989 the Cowboys traded All-Star RB Herschel Walker in October after drafting Troy Aikman with the no. 1 pick. They finished 1-15 that year but recovered nicely in the next few years and Aikman developed into a serviceable QB. While the Bills won't get what the Cowboys got in terms of draft picks I am fine trading a 30 year old back for some picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The Eagles won the Super Bowl without Carson Wentz. Does that mean they don't need him? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kevin1778 said: With McCoy 6 wins  Without McCoy 5 wins  They are currently 1-0 without him. (Vikings)   Is he really worth more than a win?   Trade him. It would free up millions and get a mid round pick. There is no rational reason to keep him.  11 games?  What exactly are you referencing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kevin1778 said: With McCoy 6 wins  Without McCoy 5 wins  They are currently 1-0 without him. (Vikings)   Is he really worth more than a win?   Trade him. It would free up millions and get a mid round pick. There is no rational reason to keep him. No rational reason to keep a HoF player instead of trading him for a mid round pick that most likely won’t be in the league for 5 years?  ill keep Shady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:  11 games?  What exactly are you referencing? How many games they are going to win this year. I say 6 wins if McCoy stays. 5 wins if he is traded. He is worth no more than maybe an extra win. Edited October 10, 2018 by Kevin1778 Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 How about in exchange for McCoy the Bills get Foles and a second (or even a third round pick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Kevin1778 said: How many games they are going to win this year. I saw 6 wins if McCoy stays. 5 wins if he is traded. He is worth no more than maybe an extra win.  I bet you saw we would beat the Vikings and Titans too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Kevin1778 said: How many games they are going to win this year. I saw 6 wins if McCoy stays. 5 wins if he is traded. He is worth no more than maybe an extra win.  Oh... ok...  Well if you saw it in the future then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I like the idea of trading McCoy for Foles and a second round pick.  Start Foles let Allen play behind him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:  Killing stuff and Buffalo RB's seem to go hand in hand. I think we could get one of there 2nds for him as Wentz is still on his rookie contract. We might have to throw in a 4th or a 5th. They'll figure he has a year and a half left in him and is a better than Ajayi who'll be an UFA next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kevin1778 said: How many games they are going to win this year. I saw 6 wins if McCoy stays. 5 wins if he is traded. He is worth no more than maybe an extra win. Got the lotto numbers too Nostradamus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 It did cost him a SB after all. Gotta hurt some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 wins 9 wins either way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Â Oh... ok... Â Well if you saw it in the future then... You are swinging and missing all over this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, BillsMafia13 said: You are swinging and missing all over this post  Just trying to add to the quality of the thread.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, wppete said: Â That's like extremely relieving to see, I hope that means he's staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 At $8M, LeShady is cheap and basically the entire offense when healthy. Trading him right now for just a 2 and a 3 is stark-raving !@#$ nuts. At least wait for the deadline and leverage another pick or two, or at least a usable player. I'm against the trade, but if you really want to do it, three picks or 2 picks and a player minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Â Just trying to add to the quality of the thread.. You seem pretty confused by it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I know Beane and McDermott love to trade core players on the team like their candy but honestly taking away Josh’s only safety blanket seems ridiculous but more then likely shady is getting traded leaving a rookie qb with a below average receiving corps..an average oline..and marginal running backs..as long as we get draft picks and the right guys hey what could go wrong ?  "Core Players"? Sammy Watkins who was often injured and "Non-Performing" much of the time and making 16 mill per year isn't even the #1 WR on Kansas City.  http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=KC  Or do you mean Darius who was playing abysmally when not imbibing synthetic MJ and drag racing in his spare time.  Or perhaps Cordy Glen who was also often injured and overpaid for not playing and had been beaten out by Dawkins?  What was the Bills record with these "difference makers" exactly? Did they ever get us to the playoffs?  Spare Me Please!   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1778 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:  I bet you saw we would beat the Vikings and Titans too. Titans Yes. Vikings No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said: You seem pretty confused by it though  Sorry... and considering it’s such a well reasoned, thought out argument too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said:  Sorry... and considering it’s such a well reasoned, thought out argument too.. Just let it be until you figure it out! Anyways, we SHOULD trade Shady for a bunch of tangible reasons. But as a season holder the games would be unbearable to watch. Yeesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, HT02 said: I like the idea of trading McCoy for Foles and a second round pick.  Start Foles let Allen play behind him  You really believe McCoy has that much value?  The Bills will be lucky, very lucky, to get just a 3rd for him. 9 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: You are swinging and missing all over this post  I think this thread is one big swing and a miss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said: Titans Yes. Vikings No.  So why are so sure we will only win 6 games with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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