BillsSbSoon Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Watching that pc, i came away thinking hes getting traded. I think theyd rather wait a few weeks to see where we are at the deadline, but if the offer is strong enough for them they may not be able to wait long. When you break it down, it makes too much sense to do it but id feel a lot better about it if allen wasnt playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: If the Eagles lose Thursday they will become a team looking to 2019 and a trade is unlikely. I doubt it. Their division is garbage and a team coming off a SB victory is very unlikely to throw in the towel early. I think people are really underestimating that team. Wentz is not even close to 100%. Doug Pederson will get that thing going IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We already have the worst offense in recent NFL history with Shady. What are we worried about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: If the Eagles lose Thursday they will become a team looking to 2019 and a trade is unlikely. Not sure about that. They might make a move even quicker if they lose tomorrow Nfc east isnt that good right now. 9-7 could win that division 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I get the logic. But the fact that so many fans are seemingly WANTING to get rid of our No. 1 offensive talent for future picks IS kinda crazy. I'd be on board for an exchange of a legit WR and an above average offensive lineman. McCoy is still one of the greats in this game. This team will be unwatchable without him or some other talent. Trading him away for only unsure draft picks is a huge gamble. Keeping him is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ivory is in no way a replacement for McCoy. Ivory is your grinder, the guy who can plunge into a mess and come out with 2-4 yards from nothing, just legs and grit. Shady is the guy who can slither his way through the hole and be gone. As a 1-2 punch they're terrific. I will be very upset if the Bills trade Shady for anything, though I do understand if someone stacks up the coins high enough, almost anything has its price. But if they let him go at any kind of fire sale discount I will be cussing. A hot dog and a used pretzel? Get Out of Town! I don't think that could even be argued. McCoy is a special RB but if you look at the carries, the Bills just aren't using him. I honestly think they prefer Ivorys style over McCoys. I don't agree with it but watching the games and the lack of carries for McCoy you have to wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 No team in this league has worse skill talent you can’t develop a q.b. with guys who would have a hard time starting for the Toronto Argonauts save shady of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If we could get a starting lineman and/or Wr with a 2nd or 3rd round pick I’d be ok with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Was the other thread not good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 How many McCoy threads do people need to start? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Yav said: I don't think that could even be argued. McCoy is a special RB but if you look at the carries, the Bills just aren't using him. I honestly think they prefer Ivorys style over McCoys. I don't agree with it but watching the games and the lack of carries for McCoy you have to wonder. Not using him? Did you see last weeks game? McCoy ran it 24 times.. Ivory 14 times Edited October 10, 2018 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, SJDK said: If we could get a starting lineman and/or Wr with a 2nd or 3rd round pick I’d be ok with it Stop. The only reason for the Eagles to trade for McCoy is to make another Super Bowl Run this year. They certainly aren’t going to give up a starting WR or lineman for him. I very much doubt they would give up a 2d or 3d round pick for McCoy, either, but if they are desperate, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I don’t see Shady getting traded. its absolutely stupid unless we rip them off, bigly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: If they picked up his option he's still here. and then what? what happens when he hits free agency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: We already have the worst offense in recent NFL history with Shady. What are we worried about? Shady is a player selected team captain. If I was Beane and McD, I'd be worried about what type of message that sends to the team who voted him captain. If McCoy was not a captain and if we can get a 2nd and 3rd round pick, I'd do it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I’m sorry. People talk about market value... well I’ll tell you there is no market value for a pro bowl / all pro future HoF RB.. even if he’s 30 To the right team he’s invaluable i get he isn’t as valuable as when he was 26 but he has a lot of value to the right team there isn’t an arbitrary age or # that says it’s over... Shady can make a playoff team a SB contender, he still is our best weapon when used properly He is easily worth a 2 and 3 and I realistically wouldn’t even want to do that. Yea you can strike gold round 3, you can also get Preston brown... I’ll tell you 1 thing, you aren’t getting shady i get people want picks but Allen needs players he can trust and Shady is one of the few and a captain . He catches 50 balls a year and is invaluable to a young QB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, mannc said: Stop. The only reason for the Eagles to trade for McCoy is to make another Super Bowl Run this year. They certainly aren’t going to give up a starting WR or lineman for him. I very much doubt they would give up a 2d or 3d round pick for McCoy, either, but if they are desperate, who knows. How desperate could the possibly be for a RB? They are replacing Jay Ajayi not Barry Sanders. Their needs are far greater than RB if they want to make a legit SB run again. And as you said, they certainly aren’t going to move any decent offensive weapons or linemen in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: How can you say Sammy was a good unload giving the state of or WRs? They are a disaster. Having Sammy would help everyone on offense significantly. Yes and Tyrod had chemistry with Sammy but he was injured a lot but could've saved both there jobs maybe but trust the process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 And if you guys haven't noticed, Shady and Allen seem pretty close. They already have their own cool kids club handshake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I dont want to see him traded because of my game pass and Sunday ticket subscriptions. He brings a lot to the team in attitude energy, leadership and on field performance. plays hurt, plays hard, elusive as anyone in the game, fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 It's actually not kind of crazy. That's why you're reading a lot of "I'm torn" comments. Losing him would hurt, especially this season, but he's not a long term piece, money saved next year, and pick(s) added. There's some allure there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, H2o said: Say we do trade Shady, which I have already said I would not. But IF we do, what does this say to the rest of the team? I don't see how it could be good for morale in any sort of way, nor do I think it helps Josh Allen's development. . It says to them we have an intelligent GM who is serious about the team being a long term success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, mannc said: Stop. The only reason for the Eagles to trade for McCoy is to make another Super Bowl Run this year. They certainly aren’t going to give up a starting WR or lineman for him. I very much doubt they would give up a 2d or 3d round pick for McCoy, either, but if they are desperate, who knows. I agree but starting for US is not necessarily starting for them... Edited October 10, 2018 by SJDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, SJDK said: I agree but starting for US is not necessarily starting for them... They need WRs too... theirs are not as bad as ours but they are in no position to give any up. They want to acquire one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How desperate could the possibly be for a RB? They are replacing Jay Ajayi not Barry Sanders. Their needs are far greater than RB if they want to make a legit SB run again. And as you said, they certainly aren’t going to move any decent offensive weapons or linemen in that case. I agree. If I were the Eagles, I would not be too worried about losing Jay Ajayi. I’d just sign some guy off someone’s practice squad instead of giving away draft picks for a 30-year old RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I think they’ll trade him judging by their track record. Unfortunately that usually means picks too. I’d be ok with that but I think we need someone to help Allen stay in one piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: And that’s fine b/c I’m not sure Bills want to actually move Shady so the ask should be high and return an important one for the Bills. But, Philly also needs to recognize there aren’t many RBs of Shady’s capability that doesn’t lock you in to a ton of Cap commitment, eg. Bell. He’s a rental in a year when they have all the players to repeat that may not happen in 3 yrs time and committing a lot of Cap room to Wenz and what will be an older RB at that point may not appeal to them, b/c other than Bell I’m not sure who else is available with their respective talent. I don't think the Bills want to move Shady unless they get a 2nd round pick and a mid to late round pick back. I do think that the Bills know that the Eagles aren't giving back major players that help them win now. This would be a player for pick/picks type trade. The Eagles are the contending team looking to add talent not give back a lot of talent along with picks for a 30 year old RB not having the best season who also has a significant contract. They want Shady to complement their existing talent base and they don't want to give back talent in order to get Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: I don't think the Bills want to move Shady unless they get a 2nd round pick and a mid to late round pick back. I do think that the Bills know that the Eagles aren't giving back major players that help them win now. This would be a player for pick/picks type trade. The Eagles are the contending team looking to add talent not give back a lot of talent along with picks for a 30 year old RB not having the best season who also has a significant contract. They want Shady to complement their existing talent base and they don't want to give back talent in order to get Shady. Agreed. It doesn’t hurt for the eagles to ask and it doesn’t hurt for the Bills to listen, but I don’t see these two teams coming to an agreement on value here, at least as things stand right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 McCoy has the legal issue with his crazy ex golddigger, custody battle for his son, now these rumors. Guy is mentally tough to perform so well still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I want to keep shady but I think that mcbean wants a blockbuster off-season. Would not be surprised at all if a deal was made, maybe they should throw in Lawson to sweeten the deal. Not necessarily to the eagles either Edited October 10, 2018 by SJDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnC Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How desperate could the possibly be for a RB? They are replacing Jay Ajayi not Barry Sanders. Their needs are far greater than RB if they want to make a legit SB run again. And as you said, they certainly aren’t going to move any decent offensive weapons or linemen in that case. Too many people are getting carried away with how much McCoy will bring in a deal with the Eagles. It's not going to be very high, possibly a fourth or so. If the Bills could get a third round from them I would make the deal. The Eagles have two second round picks so losing a third round pick would not be a major loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, JohnC said: Too many people are getting carried away with how much McCoy will bring in a deal with the Eagles. It's not going to be very high, possibly a fourth or so. If the Bills could get a third round from them I would make the deal. The Eagles have two second round picks so losing a third round pick would not be a major loss. I could see that happening for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How desperate could the possibly be for a RB? They are replacing Jay Ajayi not Barry Sanders. Their needs are far greater than RB if they want to make a legit SB run again. And as you said, they certainly aren’t going to move any decent offensive weapons or linemen in that case. Not sure if they're desperate, but weren't they the ones that contacted us about it and were reportedly also interested in Bell? Why make the call if you don't need to? With Ajayi out I think they're just testing the market with teams who might be offloading aging/expensive RB talent relatively soon and could entice them into a trade deal. But otherwise aren't serious about these specific guys without the right offers. Shady did like Philly, he just hated Kelly, so maybe they were trying to play into that a bit. Either way, Shady isn't going anywhere unless it's for exactly what Beane wants. We made him a Captain this year for a reason, he won't get shipped off for less than a 2nd and a 3rd. 7 minutes ago, JohnC said: Too many people are getting carried away with how much McCoy will bring in a deal with the Eagles. It's not going to be very high, possibly a fourth or so. If the Bills could get a third round from them I would make the deal. The Eagles have two second round picks so losing a third round pick would not be a major loss. He wouldn't bring in a 2nd and a 3rd as we supposedly demanded. That's why Beane started the offer there, which would likely get negotiated to just a 3rd, but still not sure I would do it for that, nor would Beane...at least from peering through the keyhole, it seems like he won't take less than what he's asked for, and not sure any deal gets made at this point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If I could trade him for a 3rd, offer to to Pittsburg for Bell. (He never gonna play for the steelers again, or at the very least not after this year, so there lucky to get anything for him). Give Bell McCoy type money. By the time Josh is ready for a contract (4 years), Bell will be gone, so the money can be put toward Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 They need to trade him NOW. He's 30 years old, take what you can get from a desperate team! Just now, clearwater cadet said: If I could trade him for a 3rd, offer to to Pittsburg for Bell. (He never gonna play for the steelers again, or at the very least not after this year, so there lucky to get anything for him). Give Bell McCoy type money. By the time Josh is ready for a contract (4 years), Bell will be gone, so the money can be put toward Allen. Or just draft a really cheap running back next year with one of the picks they get for McCoy. Spending big money on a RB is always stupid, and especially stupid for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 they need to keep Shady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Not sure if they're desperate, but weren't they the ones that contacted us about it and were reportedly also interested in Bell? Why make the call if you don't need to? With Ajayi out I think they're just testing the market with teams who might be offloading aging/expensive RB talent relatively soon and could entice them into a trade deal. But otherwise aren't serious about these specific guys without the right offers. Shady did like Philly, he just hated Kelly, so maybe they were trying to play into that a bit. Either way, Shady isn't going anywhere unless it's for exactly what Beane wants. We made him a Captain this year for a reason, he won't get shipped off for less than a 2nd and a 3rd. He wouldn't bring in a 2nd and a 3rd as we supposedly demanded. That's why Beane started the offer there, which would likely get negotiated to just a 3rd, but still not sure I would do it for that, nor would Beane...at least from peering through the keyhole, it seems like he won't take less than what he's asked for, and not sure any deal gets made at this point anyway. They called the Bills but they are interested in acquiring mccoy - the desperation part comes in giving up a 2nd or 3rd for a 30 yr old RB when you have so many other needs . The bills aren’t desperate to unload him at least right now which doesn’t help them. Go get Ameer Abdullah or something. If the Bills lose Sunday the talks will likely heat up because the Bills may loosen up their demands. Edited October 10, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Where did the narrative he wasn't staying here come from? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000822817/article/sammy-watkins-my-goal-is-to-stay-in-buffalo-forever%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Daround-the-league;team%3Dbuf;conf%3Dafc;dvsn%3Dace;plyr%3Dsamuel_watkins&p.ct=Around%2bthe%2bNFL&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23fff&p.bgc1m=%230964bf&p.bgc2m=%23053a74&sr=amp it's called common sense scott. you can dance around it all you want, but most reasonable people know the bills would not have paid him what the would have gotten in FA...nor should they. he was going to get offered a lot and leave. the bills got a second for him. it was the right move. i don't love losing a wr like that either, but might as well get the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, PeterDude said: They need to trade him NOW. He's 30 years old, take what you can get from a desperate team! Or just draft a really cheap running back next year with one of the picks they get for McCoy. Spending big money on a RB is always stupid, and especially stupid for this team. You can pay for a RB but you also need to have a dominate defense and strong offensive line to make it work. See the Seahawks model before they ruined it by stop paying for their offensive line. This offseason we need to improve our O-line as the whole Wood/Ritchie retirements came out of left field and put is in a bad position. Yet that could change with some good O-line signings and shoring up some other needs like CB depth (I'd love to bring back Gaines on a two-three year deal) and add a WR or two and add a young pass rusher and this team could be set to be a playoff contender again. As to me it's obvious McDermott knows how to get the most of this defense, it's just getting us to be a more complete team and surround Josh with as much talent as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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