Alphadawg7 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: No disagreement here, but again I was just responding to the thread title. It’s not even close. (BTW - he is a friggin’ artist catching the ball compared to KB at this point. YIKES!) Ha, yeah hard to argue that...WTF happened to KB. Where is the KB that was fired up on the first drive of the preseason? Maybe Beane should set up a video chat call every Sunday morning between Cam and KB to get him mad again because he has looked like he could care less every single drive since that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 52 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: If the end result is a W. why do you care? This seas on ....... Nate Peterman had a ZERO QB rating week 1. Benched at the half but I believe Zay had a catch or two in that game. Josh Allen has played 2.5 games under center. His first game start came against the Chargers and did little to nothing the first half. But since then we have seen some improvement. Who's fault is it the most targets go to KB? The coaches? Josh's? Zays? If KB keeps dropping balls, I expect Zay to be the #1 guy and with it his numbers will increase. Zay flat out sucks. There is really no stat to say he is even a competent receiver. I will gladly eat my words if he starts ripping it. Just don’t see it happening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It's confirmed! You're an idiot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Shaw Lawson, Sammy Watkins, EJ Manuel, Aaron Maybin, Donte Whitner, JP Losman, Erik Flowers, all worse picks than Zay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Remember when people used to say the same thing about Eric Moulds? I sure do. Will Jones turn it around? I don’t know and neither do you. Give the guy a chance to grow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Dr. Fong said: Remember when people used to say the same thing about Eric Moulds? I sure do. Will Jones turn it around? I don’t know and neither do you. Give the guy a chance to grow. my feelings exactly. Not every star is made on day 1. We got Jerry Hughes because Indy though him a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I don't know about "biggest bust" but I do think Zay is in the discussion as the worst starting player in the entire NFL - he's really that bad. He fights the ball when he tries to catch it - he almost dropped that 53-yard bomb against San Diego. He rarely gets himself open. He runs with no explosion or power. Honestly, he's awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Hopefully he turns into an Eric Moulds. He was horrible in his first two seasons, didn’t he order a pizza from the side lines? In year 3, he finally turned it around and become a #1 receiver. For many receives, it takes three seasons for them to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just for the new guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I wanted to as well but I figured being buried was better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 MIKE WILLIAMS Literally and literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 2:29 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: based on last year YES. based on most catches and most yards YES. Why not have a damn thread on how EVERY receiver we have sucks. Would that make the Negative Nancy's feel better? I mean, their really isn't a reason to start a thread on why any of them don't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 The OP's memory must be extremely short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 10 hours ago, Mopreme said: Hopefully he turns into an Eric Moulds. He was horrible in his first two seasons, didn’t he order a pizza from the side lines? In year 3, he finally turned it around and become a #1 receiver. For many receives, it takes three seasons for them to develop. Doubt he will ever be as good as Moulds. Not every player that enters the league gets to their best right away. Some are overwhelmed by the NFL and it takes time to fully learn their craft and play to their best. Clearly Zay is no where near that right now, but he could be by the end of the season. He needs better coaching as all the Bills receivers seem to have issues catching the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I have yet to see any evidence that the 2nd round pick that McDermott traded up to get is anywhere close to being an impact player. Most of his production has been GTP with outcomes already decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 He looks like just another guy out there. Certainly looking a big miss to trade up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 2:29 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: based on last year YES. based on most catches and most yards YES. Why not have a damn thread on how EVERY receiver we have sucks. Would that make the Negative Nancy's feel better? Every receiver we have sucks. Including Zay. Being potentially the best of the suck doesn't make one good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 For some reason people believe a team that drafts Zay Jones and trades for Calvin Benjamin can evaluate the talent of a Qb? They sure did a great job drafting and starting Peterman. The talent evaluation here is terrible. Makes me nervous about our brilliant trades and maneuvering to pick up Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan5121 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, unclepete said: For some reason people believe a team that drafts Zay Jones and trades for Calvin Benjamin can evaluate the talent of a Qb? They sure did a great job drafting and starting Peterman. The talent evaluation here is terrible. Makes me nervous about our brilliant trades and maneuvering to pick up Josh Allen Well, if they spent any time scouting and evaluating Calvin Benjamin, I would definitely question their abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The young WRs who are making impacts around the league all have quality veterans around them. Benjamin and Holmes are nowhere near quality. But yes, Zay has been pretty disappointing. Our whole WR unit is a !@#$ing joke really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, unclepete said: For some reason people believe a team that drafts Zay Jones and trades for Calvin Benjamin can evaluate the talent of a Qb? They sure did a great job drafting and starting Peterman. The talent evaluation here is terrible. Makes me nervous about our brilliant trades and maneuvering to pick up Josh Allen Even the great Belichick has been known to flub talent evaluation (lately he repeated the Coleman mistake of an experiment)--it's an inexact science, hence the continual turnover in the league at the GM position. How many 1st round busts litter the history of the league again? Get the QB right, and most all else will be forgiven. If history shows that they did hit right on Allen, nothing else needs to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I have yet to see any evidence that the 2nd round pick that McDermott traded up to get is anywhere close to being an impact player. Most of his production has been GTP with outcomes already decided. Zay has come a long way from the awful 2017 campaign he actually looks like an NFL player out there. I hope that as Allen gets more comfortable and Zay feels things out a bit more (remember he is coming off an injury) that the more significant production from Zay will come. If Zay has a decent 50ish receptions 500ish yard season I think he certainly will prove he is worthy of being on the roster for one more season to see if he can develop in year 3. Sometimes player development takes time. I don't think Zay will ever live up to his draft position but hopefully he can be a contributor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagentqb Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 with Zay on the field, it looks like we are playing short handed at 10 to 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 9:18 PM, BringBackOrton said: Could anyone be more invisible out there? Yeah, Benjamin is in self-preservation mode and going half speed on half of his plays, but Zay is trying his best. That’s horrific. There is 0.0 chance this guy makes it out of TC next year. We took him over JuJu. Damn. I’d rather have TJ Graham. Biggest bust?! Nah... keep looking, you'll find better candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagentqb Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Not the biggest bust of all time (Maybin), but certainly in the top 10 all time, so far........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Zay has the most catches by a we in Buffalo still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Zay has the most catches by a we in Buffalo still That’s like saying I am winning the best smelling diarrhea contest so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: That’s like saying I am winning the best smelling diarrhea contest so far whatever floats your boat. If you wish to criticize the most productive WR on the team go ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: whatever floats your boat. If you wish to criticize the most productive WR on the team go ahead Thats a shiny turd you polished ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: whatever floats your boat. If you wish to criticize the most productive WR on the team go ahead Just shut up with your disingenuous "most productive receiver on the team" garbage. You are entering clown status with this logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: whatever floats your boat. If you wish to criticize the most productive WR on the team go ahead I will absolutely criticize him. He is not productive what’s so ever along with the other WRs. Productive and Zay Jones should never be used in The same sentence. 3 catches for 30 something yards all in garbage time yesterday. He has has no business at all being a NFL starting receiver and would be lucky to be a 5th on most teams. Great 2nd round pick by Beane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The next time Zay catches a contested pass will be the first. He makes his most impact in garbage time catch-up mode when the DB's are just playing a zone to not get beat deep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Thats a shiny turd you polished ? its what we got might as well have the shiniest turd on the block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I will absolutely criticize him. He is not productive what’s so ever along with the other WRs. Productive and Zay Jones should never be used in The same sentence. 3 catches for 30 something yards all in garbage time yesterday. He has has no business at all being a NFL starting receiver and would be lucky to be a 5th on most teams. Great 2nd round pick by Beane I'm no McBeane fan, nor a fan of Zay. But Beane was not GM when Zay was drafted. Many on here will claim that he was a McDermott pick. So the blame would fall there if that is true. Edited October 1, 2018 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but he just hasn't figured out how to separate. Its a big issue. I'd like to see more short timing stuff with him. Especially as it seems like loading the box and blitzing with man coverage is pretty much the plan to stop our offense. Edited October 1, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PlayoffsPlease Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 hours ago, unclepete said: For some reason people believe a team that drafts Zay Jones and trades for Calvin Benjamin can evaluate the talent of a Qb? They sure did a great job drafting and starting Peterman. The talent evaluation here is terrible. Makes me nervous about our brilliant trades and maneuvering to pick up Josh Allen I am an Allen believer. But your comment here sure does give me pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 9:23 PM, John from Riverside said: He has not been good.....but you have a very short memory if you think he is the biggest bust.....PLENTY of 1st round picks have busted out on this team in the past..... Maybin Flowers etc etc Erik Flowers was so so so so so so so so so so so so so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 hours ago, billsfan11 said: That’s like saying I am winning the best smelling diarrhea contest so far Congrats! Do you get a trophy or anything? Maybe a mini bronze commode? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Augie said: Congrats! Do you get a trophy or anything? Maybe a mini bronze commode? Still waiting on it! Those bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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