26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, billsfan_34 said: Really? What about Aaron Maybin, Flowers, Mike Williams, JP Losman, and Shaq Lawson? Zay is definitely showing signs of bust, but not at the level of bustitude as the guys ive mentioned. Shaq is a star compared to Zay. At least Shaq is a good run defender while Zay does nothing well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Zay will be a good slot when the Bills draft a wide receiver in the first and they sign Sanu in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Shaq is a star compared to Zay. At least Shaq is a good run defender while Zay does nothing well. Zay runs naked well- that has to count for something ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, billsfan_34 said: Zay runs naked well- that has to count for something ? Good Bless Him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 11 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Oops that Slipped my mind ... thanks for the reminder. Trading Jerry Hughes to Buffalo in exchange for linebacker Kelvin Sheppard. How'd that work out for the Colts Still, I am sure that they continue to bring in guys who want to play in Buffalo. Big bag of CASH in 2019 and even BIGGER in 2020!!! Now that's an incentive. How can you blame a guy if he's not targeted? He can't pass the ball and catch it too !!!! Gisele Bundchen Feb 2012 “You’ve to catch the ball when you’re supposed to catch the ball. My husband cannot throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times. Are you delusional? I wasn't criticizing the trade, your boy Whaley traded for him. And also the guy your username is named after, I think you owe dude an apology for all that hating. And don't waste my time anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 15 hours ago, matter2003 said: Must not have lived very long then. No way he is a bigger bust than first round 11th pick overall Aaron "Mayhem" Maybin from a few years ago...dude didn't even get on the field. I’d rather have a guy not play than drop as many balls as Zay. Maybin didn’t release a naked blood video either. Jones has had a negative impact, Maybin had no impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Zay Jones is the biggest bust in living memory ??…..NOT EVEN CLOSE.... so many to choose from Mike Williams OT (4th overall) 2002 Aaron Maybin, DE (11th overall), 2009 E.J. Manuel QB (16th overall), 2013 J.P. Losman, QB (22nd overall), 2004 Marcel Dareus DT (3rd overall ) 2011 John McCargo DT (26th overall ) 2006 going back farther...... Walt Patulski DE (1st overall) 1972 Tom Cousineau LB (1st overall) 1979 Erik Flowers DE (26th overall) 2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Are you delusional? I wasn't criticizing the trade, your boy Whaley traded for him. And also the guy your username is named after, I think you owe dude an apology for all that hating. And don't waste my time anymore. What are you talking about? Hating? My boy Whaley? yes Shady has not been productive when he has someone gets caught for holding and his big run is wiped out. The haters are those calling a 2nd year player a total bust. Bad has was last season he still has the most catches in the stat box this season Edited October 3, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Chemical said: I’d rather have a guy not play than drop as many balls as Zay. Maybin didn’t release a naked blood video either. Jones has had a negative impact, Maybin had no impact. Zay hasn't dropped anything this year or really the 2nd half of last year. This drop thing is old news. Not getting open much? Valid. Drops at this point? Not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) Zay is a guy you keep trying to develop along with the QB. If he’s not cutting it by the end of his rookie deal, move on. 4 games into his second season with less than ideal qb play and anyone to draw a double team across from him (ie Tyler Boyd has AJ Green) is going to hold back his development and production. He’s worth giving 4 years and then deciding given the circumstances. Edited October 3, 2018 by YoloinOhio 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Zay hasn't dropped anything this year or really the 2nd half of last year. This drop thing is old news. Not getting open much? Valid. Drops at this point? Not so much. I agree regarding the drops. My thought right now is that Zay's problem is more of a "good" targets issue. I just don't know if that is an issue due to his routes, play calling, or Allen's decision making. I think as Allen settles in and starts seeing the field better then that should coincide with better targets to Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Chemical said: I’d rather have a guy not play than drop as many balls as Zay. Maybin didn’t release a naked blood video either. Jones has had a negative impact, Maybin had no impact. Zay doesn’t drop balls. He’s the least of the offense’s problems right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Philo Beddoe said: I agree regarding the drops. My thought right now is that Zay's problem is more of a "good" targets issue. I just don't know if that is an issue due to his routes, play calling, or Allen's decision making. I think as Allen settles in and starts seeing the field better then that should coincide with better targets to Zay. I feel Daboll isnt necessarily doing what caters to the strength of this team. He seems overly reliant on the pass especially when we get doen at any point in the game. He literally abandons the run. This leads to 3 and outs and the score becoming worse in the other teams favor rather than keeping it close so the offense can hopefully generate something at some point. He is putting too much on Allen too soon and not giving him the help he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I feel Daboll isnt necessarily doing what caters to the strength of this team. He seems overly reliant on the pass especially when we get doen at any point in the game. He literally abandons the run. This leads to 3 and outs and the score becoming worse in the other teams favor rather than keeping it close so the offense can hopefully generate something at some point. He is putting too much on Allen too soon and not giving him the help he needs. Hard to disagree after last week. However the plan in Minnesota seemed about right, so hopefully he can game plan and call plays like that moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: too bad some won't believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 2:29 AM, MarlinTheMagician said: Brandon Reilly = heart, hands and the instinct for how to get open. Yet he is so good no other team has ever gone for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Zay is a guy you keep trying to develop along with the QB. If he’s not cutting it by the end of his rookie deal, move on. 4 games into his second season with less than ideal qb play and anyone to draw a double team across from him (ie Tyler Boyd has AJ Green) is going to hold back his development and production. He’s worth giving 4 years and then deciding given the circumstances. Absolutely. He’s the best that the Bills have. His numbers aren’t great but that’s definitely not all on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 21 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: slow sloppy route runner with suspect hands How this guy set NCAA records is anybody's guess It was mostly screen passes and drag routes, which require pretty much zero technical skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I am just wondering why they waited till the end of the game to start putting Zay to work. How about doing this at the BEGINNING of the games....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 19 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Forgot he want ahead of Cooper Kupp too! And we traded up for him. Trust the process! He also went ahead of: Juju Smith-Schuster Taywan Taylor Chris Godwin Kenny Golladay Dede Westbrook Ryan Switzer All guys that are easily better than Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 play calling this year doesnt appear to be rookie friendly and with our terrible oline we need to have outlets available every pass play. Plus short quick routes slants etc need to be utilized. Then throw over the top not the other way around. Plus play action only works with a running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 20 hours ago, DCOrange said: He also went ahead of: Juju Smith-Schuster Taywan Taylor Chris Godwin Kenny Golladay Dede Westbrook Ryan Switzer All guys that are easily better than Zay. And the Bills paid two draft picks to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Bold prediction (well not really based on catch totals) Zay will have the most catches again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 10/3/2018 at 3:22 PM, DCOrange said: He also went ahead of: Juju Smith-Schuster Taywan Taylor Chris Godwin Kenny Golladay Dede Westbrook Ryan Switzer All guys that are easily better than Zay. Rough. Godwin and Golladay are players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Bold prediction (well not really based on catch totals) Zay will have the most catches again ....ONLY problem is this "rock solid" OL will yield more sacks than.... 1. Zay's catch count. 2. Shady's touches. ...but Daboll will figure it out.........stay tuned............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) I'm just not sure I understand the calling out of Zay Jones. You can cite other guys that he went ahead of, but look at those offenses. Most of them are pretty good in the passing area and they have more than one guy that defenses have to respect, plus they also have good OL's and pretty decent QB play. Are people expecting Jones to have an S on his chest or something? Secondly, most of the other guys cited are not working with green OC's either. Last year we had suspect QB play in Dennison's system. He tried to fit a round hole with a square peg. Taylor was not the QB for what Dennison runs. This year, Daboll has to get his feet back under him. It's his first time back in the NFL and he's going to have to do more than rely on guys winning their match ups (this ain't Alabama). We don't have a single WR that the defense respects like that. So why even design the passing game around it? IF we had an Antonio Brown, Mike Evans, DeSean Jackson that defense have to respect then sure. But we don't. So we need to do something else to give our WR's a chance. Edited October 6, 2018 by NewEraBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....ONLY problem is this "rock solid" OL will yield more sacks than.... 1. Zay's catch count. 2. Shady's touches. ...but Daboll will figure it out.........stay tuned............... Sort of bud. If Josh just throws the ball away and not turn into a sack the sack #s wouldn’t be so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Sort of bud. If Josh just throws the ball away and not turn into a sack the sack #s wouldn’t be so bad. ...kid is pressing too much to make it happen on his own IMO.....think he feels the obligation after being thrust into starter role................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Rough. Godwin and Golladay are players. It's tough that the Bills couldn't have hit on that pick (Or at least Zay hasn't panned out yet, its only 25% though year two) it would be helpful for the team going forward to have a good young WR, it would make building up that unit a lot easier to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...kid is pressing too much to make it happen on his own IMO.....think he feels the obligation after being thrust into starter role................. My thoughts too. Trying to hard to be the hero. Not taking sacks and keeping down and distance manageable is “winning” that battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 9:50 PM, CLTbills said: Losman McCargo EJ Manuel Hyperbole much? Mike Williams Eric Flowers Aaron Maybin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 9:18 PM, BringBackOrton said: Could anyone be more invisible out there? Yeah, Benjamin is in self-preservation mode and going half speed on half of his plays, but Zay is trying his best. That’s horrific. There is 0.0 chance this guy makes it out of TC next year. We took him over JuJu. Damn. I’d rather have TJ Graham. TJ aid playing in CFL his dad is my fedex driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Is it just me or does it seem like the team starts to work zay when the game is out of reach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 40 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Is it just me or does it seem like the team starts to work zay when the game is out of reach? DBs play soft coverage when they are up big? Are you sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Is it just me or does it seem like the team starts to work zay when the game is out of reach? It’s not you. (Well maybe it is ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 He's not even in the top 10 0f busts this team has made, you must be a youngin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Is it just me or does it seem like the team starts to work zay when the game is out of reach? Pretty much all of his targets have come when the game is already getting out of hand. He's been targeted on like 3% of his routes if you take the garbage time out, which is to say he's almost invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Today’s leading receiver Zay Jones 3 for 20! Shady 2 for 23 Edited October 7, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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