The negativity from the fanbase is not a knee jerk reaction to week 1

[IDBillzFan]

Once again we find that the simplest thing to predict in the NFL is failure because it leads to the easiest thing to say in the NFL: "I told you so."

 

I'll never understand the satisfaction that people get out of stuff like this.

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

8 hours ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right.

I stopped reading after this sentence, which happened to be your first, then I knew it was completed BS

8 hours ago, njbuff said:

I can deal with the Bills being bad because the reward for being the worst team in the NFL in 2018 is a game-changing DT named Nate Oliver from the University of Houston as the first pick in the 2019 draft. This kid could easily be the next Bruce Smith for this franchise. He’s that good.

 

The two most important questions moving forward are............

 

1. Is Josh Allen the answer moving forward, while surviving a miserable season?

 

2. Do you trust McBeane to turn this around?

Isn't it Ed Oliver?  I could be wrong, but I don't think I am

 

[gobills1212]

42 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Talking about what? You're the one whose reading comprehension should be called into question. This thread is about how the backlash to the negative posters is illogical. You're just adding to that. The OP only says you are wrong and have been wrong for years.

Apparently how difficult reading is? Yikes! Re-read bud. You are trying to put a special specific spin on something totally general...

You need look no further than the 1st reply to your asinine post. You decided to make a post telling us your negativity is justified. 

That assumes A, anyone cares B, your nagative post is any ditterent or more special than anyone elses. Spoiler - its not... this could have been added to any number of similar posts. As a fan, you are entitled to your opinion. What you arent entitled to is assuming yours is more important and/or correct. If you feel this way great - dont get bent out of shape when people disagree and feel you are simply adding to a flaming pile of overreaction.

Edited September 11, 2018 by gobills1212

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

Its like the trolls have truly taken over the board.......looking forward to that first win where you dont hear a peep from them for a week.

 

 

[Keukasmallies]

1 hour ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

I’ll do better than that:

 

Josh Allen

Tre White

Tre Edmunds

Dion Dawkins

Harrison Phillips

 

 

5/53 = 9.4% and that proportion does not a team make.  BUT those five are certainly NFL quality players and deserve better than they are getting from their teammates.

[May Day 10]

12 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

Once again we find that the simplest thing to predict in the NFL is failure because it leads to the easiest thing to say in the NFL: "I told you so."

 

I'll never understand the satisfaction that people get out of stuff like this.

 

 

you have to admit.  The Bills make it very easy.  And it isn't satisfying.

 

I was firmly in full support of Beane/McDermott and believed there was a plan being expertly executed.  Until the McCarron trade.  Even then, I was like "OK, I guess Peterman probably has the goods to get us through a tough season".  But man, was that an unnecessary and foolish risk in hindsight.  We have a high end, raw, project QB with a 2nd year 5th round garbage QB not good enough for the CFL as his only mentor.  Putting Allen out there to lead the team I watched Sunday would effectively ruin his career.  Its tough to go with Peterman.  What choice is there at this point.  I feel like they are painted into a corner.

 

Then you start thinking of the other moves, like Darby for Matthews, the trade for that slug Kelvin Benjamin, trading up for Zay Jones, trading up for Edmunds (I like Edmunds) minutes after paying a lot to trade up for a QB, the FA signings that are looking especially questionable.

 

As a Sabres and Bills fan, I have been burned so many times, especially under Pegula-run organizations.  I cannot trust they have it right when there are a lot of warning signs.

 

 

 

If the Bills lost that game 28-20.  Im very content right now.  As I said earlier in the thread, I was counting on 4-6 wins, and fine with it.   Sunday's game was a complete failure

[Best Player Available]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

 

 

EDIT: I just want to add that I have a positive outlook about Josh Allen after not liking the pick. He has shown me some things and I think he might be good.

Thnaks, for pouring out your soul man. 

 

Maybe a glass of warm milk and cookies, will help you through this tough moment.

[unclepete]

Once again, what move has this coaching staff or front office made to instill confidence in the fan base? It seems every decision has been wrong. Every trade hasn't worked out. We have every right to be concerned.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

I'm seeing a lot of attempts at personal insults from people who disagree with the premise of this thread. I wonder why there aren't more specific attacks on the points I made? 

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

 

You sound like Jerry Sullivan, thumping his chest like a cranky old man.

The last 17 years are totally irrelevant.

 

This regime walked in the door, and declared that our roster needed a TOTAL and COMPLETE revamp.  Not a piece-by piece patch job like our previous GMs always prescribed.  And despite dumping a good chunk of talent, they still managed to put together a more successful season than any of the clowns before them.

 

 

Here's the thing that so many people on this board seem to be missing.  There are two VITAL elements to a roster rebuild: 

Step #1 is tearing the old foundation down.  Letting veterans walk in free agency.  Trading picks for players.  Purging the salary cap. 

Step #2 is the actual rebuild.  Drafting better players.  Filling in the open spots with veteran free agents.

 

There is no timeline for deconstructing a team.  You can do it gradually over a few seasons.  Or you can do it very quickly, within a few months.

Rebuilding is another story.  There are 53 roster spots on an NFL team.  There are 22 starting spots.  Even the BEST front offices will have a tough time drafting more than 3-4 impact players per season.  And how much you can do in free agency is very much constrained by the available salary cap.  Beane simply did Step #1 very quickly (mostly to obtain draft capital to secure his franchise Quarterback), and it's going to take TIME for him to finish Step #2. 

 

At this point, nobody knows how the rebuild is going to go.  This regime has gotten only 1-2 draft classes (depending on whether you count 2017 or not), and the newest group has played exactly ONE game.  Our free agent strategy has been 90% about clearing space, and 10% about actually filling holes.  People that are complaining right now, are doing so because they are miserable crybabies, and NOT because they have some unique insight into how our front office is actually operating. 

 

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

You sound like Jerry Sullivan, thumping his chest like a cranky old man.

The last 17 years are totally irrelevant.

 

This regime walked in the door, and declared that our roster needed a TOTAL and COMPLETE revamp.  Not a piece-by piece patch job like our previous GMs always prescribed.  And despite dumping a good chunk of talent, they still managed to put together a more successful season than any of the clowns before them.

 

 

Here's the thing that so many people on this board seem to be missing.  There are two VITAL elements to a roster rebuild: 

Step #1 is tearing the old foundation down.  Letting veterans walk in free agency.  Trading picks for players.  Purging the salary cap. 

Step #2 is the actual rebuild.  Drafting better players.  Filling in the open spots with veteran free agents.

 

There is no timeline for deconstructing a team.  You can do it gradually over a few seasons.  Or you can do it very quickly, within a few months.

Rebuilding is another story.  There are 53 roster spots on an NFL team.  There are 22 starting spots.  Even the BEST front offices will have a tough time drafting more than 3-4 impact players per season.  And how much you can do in free agency is very much constrained by the available salary cap.  Beane simply did Step #1 very quickly (mostly to obtain draft capital to secure his franchise Quarterback), and it's going to take TIME for him to finish Step #2. 

 

At this point, nobody knows how the rebuild is going to go.  This regime has gotten only 1-2 draft classes (depending on whether you count 2017 or not), and the newest group has played exactly ONE game.  Our free agent strategy has been 90% about clearing space, and 10% about actually filling holes.  People that are complaining right now, are doing so because they are miserable crybabies, and NOT because they have some unique insight into how our front office is actually operating. 

 

 

 

So you give them an unlimited leash? No timeline for deconstructing a team? They traded away multiple YOUNG talented players that could be part of that 22 player core. We are the 2nd oldest team in the league this year. Shouldn't we at least be a relatively young team by now?

[Watkins90]

Being here this year is going to be mentally taxing, with the reaction we had after one-quarter of the first football game.

[mjt328]

2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

So you give them an unlimited leash? No timeline for deconstructing a team? They traded away multiple YOUNG talented players that could be part of that 22 player core. We are the 2nd oldest team in the league this year. Shouldn't we at least be a relatively young team by now?

 

So the only options you see are giving the front office an "unlimited leash"... or relentlessly bashing them and calling for their heads after Week 1 of their first full offseason?

Got it.

 

I've made it very clear that Buffalo should take a significant step-forward and competing for the playoffs by the mid/end of next year (2019).

 

Rebuilding is not just about age.  For example, Sammy Watkins is young and talented.  But he was clearly going to command a top WR contract, and wasn't even CLOSE to worth that money.  At this point, Watkins is probably the most overrated player in the NFL.  Even when he's got good QB play and a high-powered offense around him, his production is pathetic.  At some point, people are going to recognize that he's just not very good. 

 

[dave mcbride]

13 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

No, I give them their contracts. 

Hiw do you justify Peterman at this point? 

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Like I told the dude, if you’re looking to start a peterman argument with me, look elsewhere. I’ve been pro Allen starting since the draft

I am not actually in favor of starting Allen. I don't think McCarron is all that good at all, but I think he is leagues better than Peterman. He gets you to 5-11 and some close losses; peterman gets you you to what you've seen so far with him. Unfortunately for Nate, not every game can be played in a howling blizzard where qb skills are essentially equalized. That is what I don't get. 

Edited September 11, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Aussie Joe]

8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I am not actually in favor of starting Allen. I don't think McCarron is all that good at all, but I think he is leagues better than Peterman. He gets you to 5-11 and some close losses; peterman gets you you to what you've seen so far with him. Unfortunately for Nate, not every game can be played in a howling blizzard where qb skills are essentially equalized. That is what I don't get. 

 

Why do we want someone to get us 5-11 and some close losses... should that console us that we ran a few teams close?

 

Let’s see what happens with Peterman... I don’t think he plays next week..

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, mead107 said:

Want a crying towel.  

Another thread that we suck. 

 

Look at me.  I want my own thread

 

Maybe some of these guys have tiny phones where they can't see the same type of threads on the first page of TSW

[mead107]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Maybe some of these guys have tiny phones where they can't see the same type of threads on the first page of TSW

You are probably right.   

 

Lot of newbies.  Trying to get attention.  

[sleeby]

58 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

This regime walked in the door, and declared that our roster needed a TOTAL and COMPLETE revamp.  Not a piece-by piece patch job like our previous GMs always prescribed.  And despite dumping a good chunk of talent, they still managed to put together a more successful season than any of the clowns before them.

Good show.  I agree.  People here are questioning why they traded watkins and darius, etc - they likely felt the need to fumigate the place after the Ryan idiot brothers left. I trust these guys a whole lot more tha ln I do the ryans!

 

It's year two of a rebuild which started with removing the video games and recliners - and year 1 saw the playoff game and the trade down fpr QB most of you all insisted upon.  It's way too early to be bitching so.  

 

One Bill's Drive has seen years of player dipshittery.  We know this from players sometimes publically complaining about it.  If we are to ever succeed we need the locker room to be seriously dedicated to winning.  McD is and is demanding that of the team.  Yes, we dumped some good talent which would he good to have on the field right now BUT if it was a cancer in the locker room then we would have paid heavily for it in three year's when we - hopefully - have a talented team which is not infected with dipshittery.

 

Last note - the eagles dis exactly this and had a yard sale with tons of talent when the new mgmt arrived.  Three years ago was it?  And they won the SB seven months ago.

56 minutes ago, Chemical said:

you give them an unlimited leash? No timeline for deconstructing a team? They traded away multiple YOUNG talented players that could be part of that 22 player core. We are the 2nd oldest team in the league this year. Shouldn't we at least be a relatively young team by now?

they can smell the locker room cancer a lot better than we can.  They were hired to do a job that needed doing.  Let them do it.  Young cancer or old cancer - cut it out.

 

 

[gobills1212]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

I'm seeing a lot of attempts at personal insults from people who disagree with the premise of this thread. I wonder why there aren't more specific attacks on the points I made? 

Bc they are sick of repeating themselves and have adressed them in one of the countless similar threads...

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Maybe some of these guys have tiny phones where they can't see the same type of threads on the first page of TSW

Thats a very nice way of putting it

[PlayoffsPlease]

3 hours ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

i agree with most of this.  The bills roster does not look like a rebuilding team. It looks like an expansion team roster. I don't blame Beane. Whaley left behind crap.  Beane had to burn it down and start over. 

[Bill_with_it]

3 hours ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

You werent right last year. Try again.

[PeterDude]

3 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

In fairness, if you are this frustrated maybe take a break from the team for a while?  It's going to probably get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

How can you seriously suggest this?  What fan of a sports team takes a break?  That is really **** advice IMO.

 

If you're not a Kool-Aid drinker take a break from the team?  wat?

Edited September 11, 2018 by PeterDude

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 minute ago, Bill_with_it said:

You werent right last year. Try again.

They were not a good team last year

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, mead107 said:

Want a crying towel.  

Another thread that we suck. 

 

Look at me.  I want my own thread

Sadly, he is pretty spot on. 

[transplantbillsfan]

You're being too negative after 1 bad game...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as long as that 1 bad game gets Allen under center for the rest of the year.

[njbuff]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I stopped reading after this sentence, which happened to be your first, then I knew it was completed BS

Isn't it Ed Oliver?  I could be wrong, but I don't think I am

you sound like a woman on her period.  Here...

 

I have no idea why autocorrect changed the name from Ed to Nate.

 

I didn't notice it, but it makes no sense. I KNOW the kids name is Ed Oliver. 

[sleeby]

4 minutes ago, Chemical said:

They were not a good team last year

The last time they were a good team was the season before rex Ryan.  That team had a great defense.  All we needed was a serviceable offense and we xould have made a splash.

Enter rex and his convuluted defensive scheme and that team was gone instantly.  The rest brings us to now - the first time we have a reason to hope again - hope for the drafts and cap space to really get us going with the young talent we have on hand today. 

[Ayjent]

3 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Here’s my beef... 

What does all the crying and whining accomplish? 

If some members are soooooo smart about the direction of this team why are you working 9-5’s or hanging in moms basement? Shouldn’t you be climbing the scouting ladder and working your way into the nfl? 

We are ALL unqualified nfl talent evaluators.

There are 32 coaches and 32 gm’s. Who are we to criticize and beg for firings in year 2 of a massive project? 

I’m as bummed out and disappointed as anyone by the ONE game we played. I was one of those who expected more from Nate, certainly expected more from the defense. 

However I’m not on here arguing and crying about the state of the team. 

It is what it is, accept the “process” and cheer for your team or go find a new team. I hear the pats and cowboys have room on their massive bandwagons 

You do realize that NFL coaching, scouts, and front offices are full of guys that are meatheads where many played the game and loved being around the game, but aren't exactly geniuses, right?  Fans that pay attention aren't at all incapable of making better calls on personnel than the guys in the NFL coaching and FO positions, they are just in no position to ever be hired because they have never been involved in the game anywhere near the pro level and the avenues for people to get into any part of an NFL organization are very limited unless you have some exposure to an organization as a player or part of a coaching staff at some level.  I've always hated that rationalization for people in the NFL know more than the fans (on average maybe, but not all fans) - they are not infinitely more knowledgeable and they have far more resources to evaluate players - but yet they still make horrible decisions that are predictably bad.  The amount of egotistical behavior from these GMs and FO people is amusing to some degree, but they certainly buy into believing they have a golden touch and know better than everyone else.

 

For example, people who are fans of FSU and the Bills see a guy like EJ Manuel get drafted in the first round and they know what a dumb decision that is off the bat, absolutely laughable to someone watching him play thoughout his career, but you understand how someone who didn't do their homework enough could be fooled. This happens all the time - scouting isn't nearly as thorough as people believe and draft boards aren't even close to as polished and vetted as people believe them to be - teams regularly go off the rails of the board during the draft based on hunches and hasty decisions. 

[corta765]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

If the Bills lost that game 28-20.  Im very content right now.  As I said earlier in the thread, I was counting on 4-6 wins, and fine with it.   Sunday's game was a complete failure

 

I get this 100% and its how I've felt. I don't want to completely just throw the bathwater out either, but I will say Sunday was the first time I've have had to ask myself a some tough questions about McBeane and their decision making. Long term perhaps adding a solid WR and OL doesn't matter, but I would've rather insulated my rookie QB who will start very sooner then later with one of each compared to this crap.

 

In regards to trades and moves etc... don't go down that road yet. We will not know until the end of the 2019-20 season how to grade anything for real. During the season its such an up and down feeling on player moves/trades etc.. its tough to view things in perspective. Right now not including Allen they seem to have a nice core on defense of Milano, Edmunds, White, Hyde, & Harrison. It true they need a powerful DE rusher and OLB rusher but overall that is a nice core that is pretty cheap on D. The offense we unfortunately just have to wait which determines so much more. They invested a ton into defense early on and truthfully only have Allen, Jones, & Dawkins. Dawkins looks legit, Allen is unknown, Jones not so good. For all we know Allen comes in and turns the backhalf of the season on fire, they add a guy like Randall Cobb, and a solid OL or two and were sitting here waiting like crazy for 2019 to go... OR it just keeps being a tire fire. I wish they had been more aggressive to this point but it is what it is. Skepticism is cool right now I am with you, we just have to wait on the rest which is the hardest part (cue Tom Petty).

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

There are 32 coaches and 32 gm’s. Who are we to criticize and beg for firings in year 2 of a massive project?

 

Ermmmm..... we're customers of a commercial product?  A product that appears massively unsatisfactory?

Was this a trick question?

 

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

If the Bills lost that game 28-20.  Im very content right now.  As I said earlier in the thread, I was counting on 4-6 wins, and fine with it.   Sunday's game was a complete failure

 

Oh, heck, I'd even go for 28-7 or something like that, provided there were signs of competent football being played.  You know, moving the ball on offense, stopping the other team on defense, a couple of unfortunate mistakes that led to a couple of scores - it happens.

 

This was an epic beat-down of nearly unprecedented scope, so a board meltdown of serious scope is inevitable.

 

4 hours ago, BeefCurtns said:

Holy crap man. Someone bring this guy a Waaahburger and some french cries.

 

I think it's past that point.  Send the Waaambulance!

[Captain Murica]

Is a knee jerk similar to a Dutch rudder? If so, then,  count me in. 

[KD in CA]

Sure it is.....week 1 of 1960.

 

And everything since.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 hours ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

That’s one thing that irked me (among many other things) that McDermott said in his Monday Press Conference. 

 

That the Bills are a “young team” and the Ravens game was a “learning” opportunity. 

 

My biggest problem with McDermott and Beane is their mindset. They approach the game like Dick Jauron and Doug Marrone, ultra conservative. McDermott uses the same phrases as those two guys. Study the tape, earning the right to win, work hard. 

 

And what does that look like on Sundays? A punt is good because it improves field position, you keep Mike Tolbert as your primary backup because he plays Special Teams, you trade for Kelvin Benjamin because “he’s open when he’s not open”, you trade up for a possession receiver in Zay Jones, your goal is to keep things in 3rd and manageable, you kick FGs when you’re down by 40.

 

McDermott is Dick Jauron. Wait for other teams to make a mistake so you can sit on a lead and squeak wins out 17-14. 

 

Beane isnt going to build a modern, explosive offense. They just had to have their Cam Newton. Just so the rocket armed QB can hand off to 30 year old running backs and dump off to Logan Thomas. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

3 hours ago, unclepete said:

Once again, what move has this coaching staff or front office made to instill confidence in the fan base? It seems every decision has been wrong. Every trade hasn't worked out. We have every right to be concerned.

The took a 7-9 team from 2016 and turned it into a 9-7 team in 2017.  Pretty much unheard of in the NFL. 

[Green Lightning]

McBeane is just getting the Jauron realization that it's hard to win in the NFL. They had everything fall their way last year. They may have actually believed, I doubt it, but maybe, that purging your talent and replacing them with JAGs would not see a big drop off. It has. I think they are both genuinely shocked that we suck as bad as we do. All that said, it doesn't mean the bigger picture plan they have is wrong. We all knew in our heart this team was taking a step back this year, but we were at peace with it. If Allen worked out, it would be worth it. What we don't have peace with is getting humiliated like we did at Cincy and on Sunday. There's only so much tolerance for that, so McBeane needs to at least make us respectable. Sunday is going to be huge. Moreover, if Allen isn't the guy, McBeane will be toast.

[John from Riverside]

25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

That’s one thing that irked me (among many other things) that McDermott said in his Monday Press Conference. 

 

That the Bills are a “young team” and the Ravens game was a “learning” opportunity. 

 

My biggest problem with McDermott and Beane is their mindset. They approach the game like Dick Jauron and Doug Marrone, ultra conservative. McDermott uses the same phrases as those two guys. Study the tape, earning the right to win, work hard. 

 

And what does that look like on Sundays? A punt is good because it improves field position, you keep Mike Tolbert as your primary backup because he plays Special Teams, you trade for Kelvin Benjamin because “he’s open when he’s not open”, you trade up for a possession receiver in Zay Jones, your goal is to keep things in 3rd and manageable, you kick FGs when you’re down by 40.

 

McDermott is Dick Jauron. Wait for other teams to make a mistake so you can sit on a lead and squeak wins out 17-14. 

 

Beane isnt going to build a modern, explosive offense. They just had to have their Cam Newton. Just so the rocket armed QB can hand off to 30 year old running backs and dump off to Logan Thomas. 

Thank you for at least expressing your feelings in a way that it could be understood and respond.....wish more posts were like this.

 

I just think its early to know what this team is going to look like when Beane and McD go into next year with their cap space/draft picks ammo.....really felt that we were conservative on our free agents because we had to be.....I very much liked our draft but rookies do make mistakes.....

 

One thing I will say....I saw very little difference in DL play between Star and Horrible Harry when I went back and watched the tape......and I think that is going to mean something as this season goes on.   Harrison Phillips is going to get better with playing time and Star better keep up.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ermmmm..... we're customers of a commercial product?  A product that appears massively unsatisfactory?

Was this a trick question?

And like every consumer you're more than welcome to find a new product (team) if you are unsatisfied with what you have purchased(watch).

Edited September 11, 2018 by The Wiz

[Skins Malone]

6 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Here’s my beef... 

What does all the crying and whining accomplish? 

If some members are soooooo smart about the direction of this team why are you working 9-5’s or hanging in moms basement? Shouldn’t you be climbing the scouting ladder and working your way into the nfl? 

We are ALL unqualified nfl talent evaluators.

There are 32 coaches and 32 gm’s. Who are we to criticize and beg for firings in year 2 of a massive project? 

I’m as bummed out and disappointed as anyone by the ONE game we played. I was one of those who expected more from Nate, certainly expected more from the defense. 

However I’m not on here arguing and crying about the state of the team. 

It is what it is, accept the “process” and cheer for your team or go find a new team. I hear the pats and cowboys have room on their massive bandwagons 

No point in crying and arguing i agree there.  We can have adult conversations with differing view points.  At the sametime though Fans have a right to be upset with their team...every fan base does it.  So saying they can go find a new team is dumb we are all fans thats why we are here.  Its been a rough go for the Bills for many years...i can understand people blowing off a little steam on here.

[unclepete]

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

The took a 7-9 team from 2016 and turned it into a 9-7 team in 2017.  Pretty much unheard of in the NFL. 

Ironically of Rex Ryan wasn't so incompetent the team would have been 9-7 in 2016 haha