DanInUticaTampa Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: He was a 5* recruit. Ranked the #2 WR in the nation. I don’t know how many HS WR’s there are in the country, but it’s a lot. Being highly recruited out of high school doesn't mean that he doesn't drop passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Allen is one of the better offensive players we have on the team...let that sink in and ask yourself if you can honestly say it isn't true. We suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: He was a 5* recruit. Ranked the #2 WR in the nation. I don’t know how many HS WR’s there are in the country, but it’s a lot. His speed and athleticism has resulted in him being an overrated WR his whole life. He has never been able to develop ball skills. Speed doesn't mean much in this league if you can't find the football when it's in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Didn't the Foster pass hit the back of the defender before it hit Fosters hands? It looked like the ball hit the back of the defender’s helmet. It popped up as Foster’s momentum and the defender pushed him backwards. He grabbed for the ball and couldn’t haul it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: It looked like the ball hit the back of the defender’s helmet. It popped up as Foster’s momentum and the defender pushed him backwards. He grabbed for the ball and couldn’t haul it in. I remember the play and the ball did in fact hit the defender first but he still had a chance to try and catch it before it hit him or after the ball bounced and he did neither. I'm a lot more upset the way Benjamin played. That's the real issue today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: His speed and athleticism has resulted in him being an overrated WR his whole life. He has never been able to develop ball skills. Speed doesn't mean much in this league if you can't find the football when it's in the air. Okay. I think Foster is the least of the Bills’ problems. On the contrary, his ability to get open has been impressive and he made a nice TD catch the last preseason game. He’s been a pleasant surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 So we are just discussing one pass? He didn't drop 10 did he? All the hate based on one pass? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: I remember the play and the ball did in fact hit the defender first but he still had a chance to try and catch it before it hit him or after the ball bounced and he did neither. I'm a lot more upset the way Benjamin played. That's the real issue today. He didn’t make a circus, highlight reel catch on a very poorly thrown ball, so I guess we should get rid of him. The illogic is astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: No, Allen threw 5-6 very good passes and Nate threw none. I don't know the math but it's about 872,700% better. Did you carry the 1 on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Drops all over the place. I am not sure how they'll draft an entire wideout corps next year, but they will need to. Maybe Dawkins and Mills are serviceable but Groy, Miller and Ducasse all must be replaced. And don't laugh, this entire WR corp is gone. KB dropping that perfect TD from Josh just shows us this pathetic future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, OJ Tom said: Honestly, why didn't this guy start? i know--he looked very good--great arm and mostly on the money...big and great athlete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: Yea, I know your bias won't let you believe it's true but both interceptions were on Benjamin. Clear as day. A decent receivers catches both, and probably even has a big gain on the second one. He didn't even try to catch them and just shied away from the ball. Peterman air mailed the first one. Admittedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: It looked like the ball hit the back of the defender’s helmet. It popped up as Foster’s momentum and the defender pushed him backwards. He grabbed for the ball and couldn’t haul it in. Yeah. That's an extremely hard catch even if it hits the WR in the hands because of the quick misdirection. The ball was also five yards short. But Allen looked good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Agent 91 said: Peterman air mailed the first one. Admittedly. Benjamin was awful in the preseason and awful today. 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yeah. That's an extremely hard catch even if it hits the WR in the hands because of the quick misdirection. The ball was also five yards short. But Allen looked good. It was about a 40 yrd pass. I think some folks think it’s like playing Madden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: Throw a side did you see that part where it bounced into his hands he bobbled it and then it dropped? Oh I get it now you're blind...or Peterman's dad. well his avatar is Mr. J. Peterman holding a baby-sized #2 Bills jersey. So the answer is, he is Peterman's dad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: He didn’t make a circus, highlight reel catch on a very poorly thrown ball, so I guess we should get rid of him. The illogic is astounding. Reaching out to catch a ball = "circus, highlight reel catch" Good Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: It's hard listening to things outside your echo chamber, I get it. Hey, I appreciate the comment you're making here. People made up their minds about Peterman after that infamous Chargers debacle, and will now and forever filter reality through the lens of that 5-interception meltdown. It's what most people do with their opinions, and it's unfortunate. However, in this particular case, there is no objective reason to abandon that position. Peterman looked bad, again. The lack of production was historic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said: Hey, I appreciate the comment you're making here. People made up their minds about Peterman after that infamous Chargers debacle, and will now and forever filter reality through the lens of that 5-interception meltdown. It's what most people do with their opinions, and it's unfortunate. However, in this particular case, there is no objective reason to abandon that position. Peterman looked bad, again. The lack of production was historic. While what you say is true, there were many, many people here, most of the best minds IMO, that said way before the Charger game that Nate couldn't play or cut the mustard. And thought he is nowhere near ready or could ever be ready before that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: While what you say is true, there were many, many people here, most of the best minds IMO, that said way before the Charger game that Nate couldn't play or cut the mustard. And thought he is nowhere near ready or could ever be ready before that game. Peterman arm is a problem might look good for camp or preseason but when real games out it's exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Hey, I appreciate the comment you're making here. People made up their minds about Peterman after that infamous Chargers debacle, and will now and forever filter reality through the lens of that 5-interception meltdown. It's what most people do with their opinions, and it's unfortunate. However, in this particular case, there is no objective reason to abandon that position. Peterman looked bad, again. The lack of production was historic. Tied for 10th worst all time based on QBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I strongly disagree with that. The pass was sinking right to him, as evidenced by the safety that had to dig it out of the dirt. For a guy like Benjamin that jumps two feet off the ground (for some reason) to catch passes aimed at his chest, he didn't even lift his feet off the ground and ran straight under it. He had 5 yards running horizontally to position for the catch, and he played it horribly. Uhm, no. I was at the game and there’s no way that anyone under 7’5” catches that pass. It may have sailed from his wet hands, but there’s no way it was catchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Benjamin has been awful. If KB plays like this all season he will be out of football let alone a new contract! On on the bright side he would be affordable!! 3 minutes ago, GG said: Uhm, no. I was at the game and there’s no way that anyone under 7’5” catches that pass. It may have sailed from his wet hands, but there’s no way it was catchable. It was not catchable by anyone in a Bills uniform! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Reaching out to catch a ball = "circus, highlight reel catch" Good Lord. Maybe in Madden. Football is played in real time, not in super slo-mo or in screen shots. Edited September 10, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Josh Allen is actually more accurate then people think. Everyone raves his big arm. Does he throw the ball too hard for his receivers to catch? These receivers are supposed to be professionals. Catch the damn ball. I truly think we hit a homerun with getting Allen. Now let's build around him and get some receivers with some hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 hours ago, zow2 said: I recall Logan Thomas not snagging what would have been a first down. And KB dropping one. These receivers are crap To be fair, they dropped some catchable balls on Peterman right at the start, also, which could of at least moved the chains a time or two. There were also 3 OL penalties in the Bills first 4 possessions. I'm not saying that to defend Peterman, just to point out the WR and OL had their part in digging us into our early hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Sky Diver said: It was a very poorly thrown ball that hit the defender in the back or back of the helmet as he was driving Foster away from the ball with his head in Foster’s stomach. There is no reasonable expectation that Foster should have caught that. We know. He never catches anything if there’s a defender within 2 yards of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Maybe in Madden. Football is played in real time, not in super slo-mo or in screen shots. Yes the catch was more difficult than it appeared at first glance but I'd say the biggest problem for Foster is that it fit into a pattern for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakersBills Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: In fairness to McD he did not look ready against the Bengals. Peterman is fools gold. He does everything right in practice but is simply not good enough to play the position. Allen has all the tools. He needs to play now. he wouldve looked ready if he played a ****ty panthers defense in week 1. Allen played the toughest team in preseason, not many rosters are better then the bengals. Browns defense is also way better then the panthers. not to mention shuffling line and no mccoy. it was BS competition rigged for Peterman to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: He threw a lot of very good balls. A few bad ones. Held the ball a little too long a few times. Made some mental errors. But there were 7-8 very good passes in there. Not to mention, he avoided about 4 or 5 sacks that the other guy would have taken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Wow this turned into a KB hate thread fast. I think JA is going to continue to struggle with dropped passes until he learns to put some touch on his throws. That dropped TD by Benjamin was an absolute rocket. He should have caught it but it wasn't the easiest throw to catch. Allen had several like that in the preseason too. Also, is JA going to take any heat for taking away Shady's sure fire TD in the 4th? Can't believe he called his own number there on the RPO when McCoy had an open lane right into the end zone. Kid needs time to work out the kinks. Let's allow him to come along slowly and develop at his own speed. Edited September 10, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 7 hours ago, OJ Tom said: Honestly, why didn't this guy start? No worries, next week. 7 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Drops all over the place. I am not sure how they'll draft an entire wideout corps next year, but they will need to. FREE AGENCY !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Allen fans: explain to me what you loved about watching this? I just see a lot of fastballs outside the strike zone. That's not the reality of those throws, but even if it were, it's better than softballs to the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, VW82 said: Kid needs time to work out the kinks. Let's allow him to come along slowly and develop at his own speed. I'd rather work out Allen's kinks that Peterman's giant knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakersBills Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: No worries, next week. FREE AGENCY !! there NO WRS in FA 2019, none. no forsight by the bills FO, shouldve went out and got allen robinson or another WR this offseason and waited to invest into the dline 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 12 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Allen fans: explain to me what you loved about watching this? I just see a lot of fastballs outside the strike zone. He moved the chains - something Dickless couldn’t do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 There's like 4 drops that hits guys right in the hands or chest lol. One for a TD and three for 20+ yard gains. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Allen is miles ahead of Peterman. If you can’t see that it’s because you spent the last 4 months touting Nate. This week is the week to go stick your head in the sand not double down!! At this point Peterman is legitimately the worst QB of all-time. He put up a stellar 0.0 QB rating yesterday. It’s okay to be wrong. Peterman sucks and it’s not up for debate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: He threw a lot of very good balls. A few bad ones. Held the ball a little too long a few times. Made some mental errors. But there were 7-8 very good passes in there. 7-8 more good passes than the other guy. I dont know how McBeane can trot out Peterman again barring injury. He looked like he didnt even belong on the field. Allen's pocket movement at the 2:18 mark in that video is great. Been waiting to see that for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Sky Diver said: It was a very poorly thrown ball that hit the defender in the back or back of the helmet as he was driving Foster away from the ball with his head in Foster’s stomach. There is no reasonable expectation that Foster should have caught that. Yes as much as I can't figure out why Foster is still here, that one wasn't on him. But easy to see with more game experience and coaching, a back shoulder throw here and boom, long completion. Allen is money already. His few bad passes and holding out too long will slowly diminish with experience. If he doesn't get injured (doh!) he seems to have all the tools. He is very raw but trial by fire is the way to go. What other choice is there with the current roster anyway? Trubinsky looked much better yesterday than last year. Lots of great QBs had dismal W-L records in their first year but they progressed. The biggest knock against Tyrod IMO is that he simply didn't progress. His strengths and weaknesses remained the same. And that was mental, what experience should have helped him overcome. Let's see if/how fast Allen progresses as he looks like the real deal to me. And to the "haters", most "experts" said he would be among the top 4 QB s picked, so chill out and give the kid a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 14 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Drops all over the place. I am not sure how they'll draft an entire wideout corps next year, but they will need to. Hopefully they do what Baltimore did: sign the best 3 WR's in free agency that they possibly can. Worked out well for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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