You gotta trade McCoy now... right?

[Freddie's Dead]

3 hours ago, YodaMan79 said:

I'm astonished at the lack of awareness and understanding of the salary cap and position value.  RBs past the age of 28 have very little value in the trade market.  When you add to the equation a high cap number it's even less.  Also, the legal issues of this specific player and previously known character issues and you're stuck with him.  

Before the game, it was reported that no charges would be filed.  Just sayin'.

1 hour ago, PeterDude said:

 

Not to mention the Delicia stuff looming.

It ain't looming.

[papazoid]

on this team...shady is going to have the worst year of his career

[PeterDude]

6 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Before the game, it was reported that no charges would be filed.  Just sayin'.

It ain't looming.

 

It could still affect trade value, investigation is still ongoing.

[dayman]

2 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

Maybe they can trade him to Oakland for AJ McCarron...

 

Sad it doesn't even sound that insane.

 

Anyway, yes, we should trade Shady for whatever we can get. He isn't part of what we're building (assuming we are building something) b/c he's too old to be useful so if we can get something and move him tomorrow I'm for it....also we can't block anyway so who cares just give it to Ivory and let him put his head down and grunt his way to 3 yards if he can. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by dayman

[HalftimeAdjustment]

You can't trade him now for anything, unless/until a team loses their RB. As soon as that happens, I'd pick up the phone if I were the GM. But if it doesn't happen, no one is taking him off of our hands... maybe for a 2020 7th at best.

[BuffaloRush]

A trade is moot because you can't get more than a 6th round pick, so what's the point.  Murphy did look like the best runner today

[dayman]

Just now, BuffaloRush said:

A trade is moot because you can't get more than a 6th round pick, so what's the point.  Murphy did look like the best runner today

 

IDK why you say that as though it's a fact or known...it may be possible to grab something in the 4 or 5 range. 

[Scott7975]

It would follow course with what Beane has done. In all honesty though, would it really matter? I love McCoy but he is on the wrong side of his career now. I’m sure he is still really good on a real team but he probably won’t be by the time this team turns around. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

2 hours ago, WMDman said:

Its one game guys....

It's one telling game guys.

Steelers?

[dayman]

San Fran, Cleveland, Tampa, Detroit, Green Bay, lots of places that could really use Shady. 

Hey maybe we can trade Peterman to Green Bay now that Rogers knee is busted.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, YodaMan79 said:

 

You're delusional.  If you could find a willing partner to accept the money owed (a big if) you're looking at a conditional 6th or 7th tops.  In a position of much higher value, what did the Bills get for M. Darius?

No, you’re delusional.  If we trade him, we’ll get more than a 6th.  Care to make a wager?

[YodaMan79]

Name the charity. $50

 

You've been stuck in western NY too long.  The quality of sports journalism in other parts of the country allows the fans in those areas to look at facts and not be subjective and have opinions that are uniformed and baseless. 

 

Another front office like the Browns isn't going to bail this group of executives out. 

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, YodaMan79 said:

I'm astonished at the lack of awareness and understanding of the salary cap and position value.  RBs past the age of 28 have very little value in the trade market.  When you add to the equation a high cap number it's even less.  Also, the legal issues of this specific player and previously known character issues and you're stuck with him.  

 

 

I think a few years ago this was absolutely true.

 

But a few recent developments I think give new value to pretty much any kind of offensive playmaker.

 

1) The gradual shift of athletes from the RB position to the defensive side of the ball.    There was a time, when the running game ruled, that the teams 3 best athletes might be their RB1, RB2 and RB3.   But that was gradually changing and then the migration was rapidly accelerated when Goodell banned passing game violence and the following season 7 QB's all had top 25 all-time individual passing yardage seasons in the same year.   In the near decade since, with the run game de-emphasized, the money has moved those guys to secondaries, LB and pass rusher.

 

2) For some reason the WR pipeline from college ran dry since 2014.   It's having an impact.   With the exception of teams that have supernatural QB's that make everyone look good......everywhere else the demand for playmakers now FAR exceeds supply.

 

Do I think Shady could fetch a first rounder?   Of course not.   But I definitely think he could yield a third rounder from a contender and *maybe* even a second from an aggressive contender if the Bills sweeten the deal with a 4th or so.

[BullBuchanan]

San Francisco could be a willing partner down the road.

[wppete]

Yup trade McCoy, Hughes, Clay and Benjamin. 

[dgr81]

no one is trading for shady

[VW82]

Are you kidding me? 75% of this board wants Allen to start immediately (which is dumb IMO) and now we're going to trade away the only offensive play maker on the roster? Sure hope not. 

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, wppete said:

Yup trade McCoy, Hughes, Clay and Benjamin. 

McCoy should go by the deadline. Mostly a salary dump from our perspective. He won’t get much in return, but there ought to be interested teams. Hughes might as well go too. Again, not much return. Benjamin, if healthy, will have a market and could actually yield more as a playoff stretch rental by a team that needs a big receiver. Clay: I see zero value there; his contract is basically not movable. 

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

San Francisco could be a willing partner down the road.

 

 

That is a good take.

 

They have tons of money to spend and, like the Jets, they found the pickings in free agency to be PALTRY and came out of the offseason with a lot less talent than people had anticipated when looking at the cap room they had.

 

If they are playing well in October that's a possible fit.

[YodaMan79]

Do any of you know what his cap hit is for this year?  Over 11 million.  He's the 5th highest paid RB (when Bell reports) after the recent deals.  

 

Only a hand full of teams have the cap space. 

 

I think Lynch recently fetched a 5 round pick?  I can't recall any other recent RB trades.  The Raiders were ridiculed for being stupid then and that was with a 4.5 million salary for him.  What did the Bills get for Lynch when he was a young guy, a 4th?  

 

The Bills messed up giving McCoy an extension when it wasn't needed.  His cap hit is 9 million next year, too. They screwed up and as always we pay the price.  50-60 million in dead money over two years is inexcusable.

 

I'd bee thrilled to get a bag of balls for him at this point.  Anything more and we hit the jackpot.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by YodaMan79

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Are you kidding me? 75% of this board wants Allen to start immediately (which is dumb IMO) and now we're going to trade away the only offensive play maker on the roster? Sure hope not. 

 

 

They need support for Allen but the way they've slow-played the "building" portion of this re-build it's hard to imagine them having the roster they want before 2020.

 

Which puts Shady in the retirement before even the faintest of SB hopes can be expected.

 

What I mean by slow play is something like, for example, if they had traded for Mack they'd have an impact pass rusher on board to help cover up other deficiencies right now...............but the assumption now is that they will use their first rounder next year on a pass rusher early and it's usually a 2 year wait for that pass rusher to start playing up to his draft profile(assuming they do become successful).   

7 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

Do any of you know what his cap hit is for this year?  Over 11 million.  He's the 5th highest paid RB (when Bell reports) after the recent deals.  

 

Only a hand full of teams have the cap space. 

 

I think Lynch recently fetched a 5 round pick?  I can't recall any other recent RB trades.  The Raiders were ridiculed for being stupid then and that was with a 4.5 million salary for him.  What did the Bills get for Lynch when he was a young guy, a 4th?  

 

The Bills messed up giving McCoy an extension when it wasn't needed.  His cap hit is 9 million next year, too. They screwed up and as always we pay the price.  50-60 million in dead money over two years is inexcusable.

 

I'd bee thrilled to get a bag of balls for him at this point.  Anything more and we hit the jackpot.

 

 

 

His base salary is all that transfers to a team if traded.

 

That's a bit over $6M and presumably the trade would happen with only around $4M of that remaining unpaid.

[YodaMan79]

Got it.  Do they also automatically assume responsibility for his 6.1 base in 2019 as well? 

[T master]

Trade him to the Raiders to get AJ back ... Gruden would go for it !!

Edited September 10, 2018 by T master

[Ol Dirty B]

I only say trade shady out of good faith to him. That guy doesn't deserve this crap team 

 

And yes I know what he's making yada yada go on about your mother bagging groceries I don't care 

[jimmy10]

1 hour ago, YodaMan79 said:

Did you even read the summary?  It's all stuff that's been documented by the Philadelphia Inquirer and other "legitimate" publications. 

 

Guy's a known cancer and a d!ck. Take off your blinders. 

 

How about this:

http://www2.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/lesean-mccoy-buffalo-bills-allegations-philadelphia-eagles-marcus-hayes-20180711.html

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2016/02/list_of_lesean_mccoys_off-field_incidents_grows_amid_philadelphia_police_investi.html

 

Do you see a pattern here?  I wanted no part of him in a Bills uniform.  Having contacts in the media, going back to his rookie season people have been cleaning up his messes for a while.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“Having contacts in the media.”

 

That’s rich. Please do tell of all your contacts at major Philly media outlets that certainly aren’t just mouth-breathing bloggers. 

[YodaMan79]

Sorry. I can't help stupid.  

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, swnybillsfan said:

on one hand, you would never get value for him. on the other hand, a case could be made to trade everyone for anything you can get!

Isn't that kinda how we got here in the first place?

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

No, you’re delusional.  If we trade him, we’ll get more than a 6th.  Care to make a wager?

Wait.. Who’s delusional?

[Chuck Wagon]

If Allen is the guy now, Shady is his only chance at not having a complete trainwreck start to his career. 

[VW82]

48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They need support for Allen but the way they've slow-played the "building" portion of this re-build it's hard to imagine them having the roster they want before 2020.

 

Which puts Shady in the retirement before even the faintest of SB hopes can be expected.

 

What I mean by slow play is something like, for example, if they had traded for Mack they'd have an impact pass rusher on board to help cover up other deficiencies right now...............but the assumption now is that they will use their first rounder next year on a pass rusher early and it's usually a 2 year wait for that pass rusher to start playing up to his draft profile(assuming they do become successful).   

 

I get that Shady will be too old by the time Allen is ready to win (assuming he's ever ready to win) but that really wasn't my point. We have a crap oline and receivers who can't separate. If you trade our one offensive threat defenses are going to just tee off on Allen. 

 

The kid is really raw. If you're going to jump the gun and play him before he's ready you need to keep some help on the offense to take a little pressure off him. Otherwise he's likely to flame out, lose his confidence, get hurt, or some combination of all three. 

 

Edit: the best outcome would be to trade Shady for a vet QB who could start the rest of the year while Allen watches and learns. Maybe you sneak a few starts in for him toward the end of the year when we're out of it and the pressure is off.

Edited September 10, 2018 by VW82

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Wait.. Who’s delusional?

If we trade Shady, we will get more than a 6th.

 

$20, $50, $100?

 

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

I get that Shady will be too old by the time Allen is ready to win (assuming he's ever ready to win) but that really wasn't my point. We have a crap oline and receivers who can't separate. If you trade our one threat defenses are going to just tee off on Allen. 

 

The kid is really raw. If you're going to jump the gun and play him before he's ready you need to keep some help on the offense to take a little pressure off him. Otherwise he's likely to flame out, lose his confidence, get hurt, or some combination of all three. 

 

 

Oh I agree that they've poorly handled the situation.

 

But they do need assets for 2019 and beyond.

 

The smart thing is probably to get a Matt Moore-type QB in here(though Moore himself would likely turn the gig down) and limit Allen's exposure this year altogether.

 

I mean literally like cherry picking which games to play Allen and which to just let him watch unless he remarkably defies the odds and starts raising the level of the talent around him to make the team more competitive.

 

The veterans wouldn't appreciate that kind of week-to-week QB incubation approach.........but that's part of the quandary and why moving those not in the 2019 plans makes sense.

 

You CAN'T allow yourselves to wreck the QB......even at the expense of not getting him on the field as much as you'd prefer...and tbh as good as McCoy has been, I am not sure he is enough to significantly help Allen if the defense is giving up 28 points in the first half of games.

 

Perhaps that roster spot goes to a guy off someone's practice squad and that guy turns into a contributor in 2019?

Edited September 10, 2018 by BADOLBILZ

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 hours ago, nucci said:

did you watch that game?

 

No.

 

 

[QBorBust2018]

6 hours ago, Rigotz said:

It’s pretty obvious the Bills are gonna struggle badly this season. If we can get a nice pick for McCoy, this is pretty much a full rebuild and he’s only got 3-4 pro bowl years left, maximum.

 

Reality seems to finally be setting in for Bills fans about this season. We need to trade him now, right?

 

3-4 pro bowl years. Keep deluding yourself. McCoy’s best years are behind him. This guy will have nothing left in the tank after this season. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by QBorBust2018

[swnybillsfan]

5 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Isn't that kinda how we got here in the first place?

indeed. we are at the ground floor of the rebuild. i am merely looking at the possibility of going down to the basement.

[TwistofFate]

At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value.   We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. 

 

IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. 

 

The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value.   We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. 

 

IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. 

 

The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. 

It’s the right thing for the team and for McCoy who has been nothing but a leader since being here. I thank you for your service McCoy. Maybe you can get a fourth? 

[Bangarang]

Such a click bait title. 

[Fan in Chicago]

3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value.   We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. 

 

IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. 

 

The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. 

Fix the title of your post. If you know this for a fact, quote your source.

 

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value.   We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. 

 

IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. 

 

The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. 

which teams do you think would consider McCoy?