Lacanfora: Bills have reached out to Raiders about Khalil Mack trade

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

The Bills really value high draft picks, especially the 2019 selection.  As good as Mack is, I think they would be crazy to give up a 2019 #1.  They won’t admit it publicly but when you are faced with the prospect of starting a rookie QB or an improved QB, you have to brace yourself to take a step backward.  Is Mack worth what could be a Top 5 pick?  

 

Correct.  Very possibly a top ten pick, that’s too rich.  Two seconds and a player?

[BuffaloRush]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Correct.  Very possibly a top ten pick, that’s too rich.  Two seconds and a player?

 

I would be ok with a 2020 #1 but I’m pretty sure Oakland won’t take that deal

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

WGR  seems to think it would take Tre White.  If that's the case no thanks.

 

#1 Pass Rusher is huge for a roster, but so is your #1CB.  In my mind Tre White should be the only untouchable player on the roster right now, beyond Allen.

I gave up on the morning show for a while to save myself the aggravation. I tried again today and I just can’t understand how a sports radio guy could be worse then this Jeremy White. He is worse then Schopp at this point. In all seriousness the guy is one of the least knowledgeable sports personalities I have ever listened to. I’m not sure if I have ever agreed with his opinion on anything and  to make it worse he just gets dug in on these ridiculous baseless points for days at a time. What he’s saying about this 3rd preseason game is incomprehensible. This game doesn’t matter because he (personally) doesn’t know if McDermott will change his mind about the QB race based on what happens in it? Wtf does that even mean? If Allen can’t move the ball in his only game against starters, he’s not going to start. If we look good with Allen, he’s probably going to start. Is this guy for real or is he just trying to piss people off?

[SWATeam]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

The Bills really value high draft picks, especially the 2019 selection.  As good as Mack is, I think they would be crazy to give up a 2019 #1.  They won’t admit it publicly but when you are faced with the prospect of starting a rookie QB or an improved QB, you have to brace yourself to take a step backward.  Is Mack worth what could be a Top 5 pick?  

I think so.

 

I don't think we will be drafting that high, but that is the national perspective- so the Raiders would probably value our picks more than most of the other teams discussed.

 

I think with having a young QB that you don't have to pay for several years, this is the perfect time for a trade like this.  Load up a take advantage of a cost controlled QB

[26CornerBlitz]

La Conjecture mentions the Bills among other teams who have done due diligence on Mack.

 

Jets Interested in Khalil Mack (4:21)

NFL insider Jason La Canfora joins Nick Kostos on CBS Sports HQ to report on the Jets interest in acquiring Khalil Mack from the Raiders.

[thurst44]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Correct.  Very possibly a top ten pick, that’s too rich.  Two seconds and a player?

Why in the world would that be "too rich" for Mack? What are you hoping to get with that Top Ten pick? Likely, a player who will one day be close to as good as Mack is already. Mack is one of the top defensive players in the league, if not the top. The only argument is cap space and we have massive cap space after next year so we could afford a future HoFer who actually wants to play here. 

 

Would I trade Tre? No, and obvs I wouldn't trade Allen or Edmunds (yet), but that's about the extent of it. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by thurst44

[Buffalo03]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

The Bills really value high draft picks, especially the 2019 selection.  As good as Mack is, I think they would be crazy to give up a 2019 #1.  They won’t admit it publicly but when you are faced with the prospect of starting a rookie QB or an improved QB, you have to brace yourself to take a step backward.  Is Mack worth what could be a Top 5 pick?  

Why does everyone keep assuming our first round pick next year is gonna be a top 5 or top 10? Also even if it is, yes Khalil Mack is worth it

[jamiezzz]

2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I gave up on the morning show for a while to save myself the aggravation. I tried again today and I just can’t understand how a sports radio guy could be worse then this Jeremy White. He is worse then Schopp at this point. In all seriousness the guy is one of the least knowledgeable sports personalities I have ever listened to. I’m not sure if I have ever agreed with his opinion on anything and  to make it worse he just gets dug in on these ridiculous baseless points for days at a time. What he’s saying about this 3rd preseason game is incomprehensible. This game doesn’t matter because he (personally) doesn’t know if McDermott will change his mind about the QB race based on what happens in it? Wtf does that even mean? If Allen can’t move the ball in his only game against starters, he’s not going to start. If we look good with Allen, he’s probably going to start. Is this guy for real or is he just trying to piss people off?

 

I stopped listening to WGR a while ago.  In my opinion, it's just not good.  They definitely need to get new personalities in there.  I understand some people listen, because that's their only way to get Bills/Sabres content, but I just couldn't stand to listen anymore.  Again, just my opinion. 

[Heitz]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Why does everyone keep assuming our first round pick next year is gonna be a top 5 or top 10? Also even if it is, yes Khalil Mack is worth it

 

ESPECIALLY if Mack were on the team!  

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

Is Mack worth what could be a Top 5 pick?

 

Yes. Top 5 picks have like a 20% chance of becoming DPOY candidates. Mack has already been the DPOY and is a candidate to win it again every year. I value draft picks as much as anyone on here, but the reason you hold onto draft picks is to save cap space for players like Mack when they become available. If we have a chance to get a generational player on our team at a position of need, why give that up for a lottery ticket?

Edited August 24, 2018 by HappyDays

[BuffaloRush]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Why does everyone keep assuming our first round pick next year is gonna be a top 5 or top 10? Also even if it is, yes Khalil Mack is worth it

 

Because of the QB position.  It’s looking like Peterman or Allen will be starting.  We all know the history of rookie QB’s starting in year 1.  Even great QB’s struggle while they learn the position their first year.  

 

Peterman is still very much unproven as a QB.  A former 5th round pick, it’s logical to think there’s a chance he could struggle this year as well.

 

These questions coupled with a few other factors, make you wonder how the team will do this year:

- lack of talent at WR

- questionable OL

- unproven LB’s

 

 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

3x Pro Bowler 

NFL Defensive Player of the Year

Butkus Award

2x First team all pro

40.5 sacks over 4 seasons

 

 

Yeah, I'd say he's worth a top 5-10 pick

[psaleh]

9 minutes ago, thurst44 said:

Why in the world would that be "too rich" for Mack? What are you hoping to get with that Top Ten pick? Likely, a player who will one day be close to as good as Mack is already. Mack is one of the top defensive players in the league, if not the top. The only argument is cap space and we have massive cap space after next year so we could afford a future HoFer who actually wants to play here. 

 

Would I trade Tre? No, and obvs I wouldn't trade Allen or Edmunds (yet), but that's about the extent of it. 

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

[SteveFreeman22]

20 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

The Bills really value high draft picks, especially the 2019 selection.  As good as Mack is, I think they would be crazy to give up a 2019 #1.  They won’t admit it publicly but when you are faced with the prospect of starting a rookie QB or an improved QB, you have to brace yourself to take a step backward.  Is Mack worth what could be a Top 5 pick?  

Maybe if they have Mack they take a step forward ?

[Canadian Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, psaleh said:

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

 

He loves Buffalo. Played college ball here and even calls Buffalo "his city"

 

I don't think it would be hard for the Bills to re sign him

[thenorthremembers]

17 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I gave up on the morning show for a while to save myself the aggravation. I tried again today and I just can’t understand how a sports radio guy could be worse then this Jeremy White. He is worse then Schopp at this point. In all seriousness the guy is one of the least knowledgeable sports personalities I have ever listened to. I’m not sure if I have ever agreed with his opinion on anything and  to make it worse he just gets dug in on these ridiculous baseless points for days at a time. What he’s saying about this 3rd preseason game is incomprehensible. This game doesn’t matter because he (personally) doesn’t know if McDermott will change his mind about the QB race based on what happens in it? Wtf does that even mean? If Allen can’t move the ball in his only game against starters, he’s not going to start. If we look good with Allen, he’s probably going to start. Is this guy for real or is he just trying to piss people off?

Not  a Jeremy White fan.  Got into with him on Twitter during college football season, felt stupid, but did.  Went back and forth on why I thought Mayfield was better than Rosen.  After awhile it became clear he liked Rosen for reasons other than play on the field.  Specifically having a similar political and sociological viewpoint as White.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2018 by thenorthremembers

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

Because of the QB position.  It’s looking like Peterman or Allen will be starting.  We all know the history of rookie QB’s starting in year 1.  Even great QB’s struggle while they learn the position their first year.  

 

Peterman is still very much unproven as a QB.  A former 5th round pick, it’s logical to think there’s a chance he could struggle this year as well.

 

These questions coupled with a few other factors, make you wonder how the team will do this year:

- lack of talent at WR

- questionable OL

- unproven LB’s

 

 

I honestly don't believe Peterman is gonna be starting. The rookie will start. Also, what if Allen breaks out? Not saying it will happen but it's certainly not off the table. 

 

I also think we have the chance at a potential top 5 to top 10 defense this year that will keep us in games. If our offense is better than last year which is a possibility, then our pick next year definitely won't be a top 10

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, psaleh said:

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

Because Raiders can use the franchise tag next year if they dig in their heals.  

[Starr Almighty]

3 minutes ago, psaleh said:

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

If you trade for him there's no need to compete in the open market. They can also tag him.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, psaleh said:

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

It’s a very good question, and it’s why Mack is worth, at most, one first round pick.  Any team trading a high draft pick for him will want an extension negotiated up front, and Mack might not report without one anyway.

[nucci]

6 minutes ago, psaleh said:

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

You wouldn't trade for him unless you have already agreed to a new contract or reasonably sure he'll re-sign

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

If you trade for him there's no need to compete in the open market. They can also tag him.

Or you end up like the Rams did with Sammy Watkins—giving up a premium draft pick for a one-year rental.

[thurst44]

8 minutes ago, psaleh said:

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

It's a fair point and not laughable. The logic would be that taking him at his word that he really wants to play here and the fact we have the second most cap space in 2019 means if we trade for him we know we're going to re-sign him. If you trade, you get him one year earlier and it's much easier to sign your own players than other teams'. Plus, we would be striking when the iron was hot...maybe in a week Oakland cools and does him right and signs him to a long-term contract or he goes to the Jets and decides he loves it in New York and he wreaks havoc on Dawkins & Allen twice a year for the next few.

 

Best case scenario, he plays reluctantly in Oakland with one foot out the door, comes to Buffalo on the first day of 2019 free agency, signs, and we take a top player in the draft. However, securing him now would be a good use of that first round draft in my opinion.

[Victory Formation]

Thing about Mack is he would bleed red, white and blue.

[PIZ]

23 minutes ago, psaleh said:

At risk of being laughed out of here, can someone help me understand why we'd be willing to give up high round draft pick(s) for a guy who is an UFA next season? Is the reasoning just so that we can have him this year? Because otherwise why wouldn't we just wait until he hits the market and then sign him? (I feel the need to apologize in advance for what may be an obvious question...) Thank you.

 

Sign - trade - DOMINATE.

[Woodman19]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes. Top 5 picks have like a 20% chance of becoming DPOY candidates. Mack has already been the DPOY and is a candidate to win it again every year. I value draft picks as much as anyone on here, but the reason you hold onto draft picks is to save cap space for players like Mack when they become available. If we have a chance to get a generational player on our team at a position of need, why give that up for a lottery ticket?

Not that I don't want Mack, but what a player has done in years past doesn't matter with future value.  He's used up 4 prime years that you can't have back if you acquire him.  I mean, you can buy a new BMW for $140,000 and after four years you aren't getting close to that back.

[34-78-83]

58 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

The Bills really value high draft picks, especially the 2019 selection.  As good as Mack is, I think they would be crazy to give up a 2019 #1.  They won’t admit it publicly but when you are faced with the prospect of starting a rookie QB or an improved QB, you have to brace yourself to take a step backward.  Is Mack worth what could be a Top 5 pick?  

Yes all day long the (arguably) best or second best defensive player in the game is worth a #1 pick as long as you already have your QB.

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Yes all day long the (arguably) best or second best defensive player in the game is worth a #1 pick as long as you already have your QB.

And now is the best time to trade for him since Allen is on his rookie deal

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Didn’t Ralph give Al Davis money so he could keep the team operating? Maybe they owe us a favor. 

[Logic]

The Bills already have 3 of the 4 most important positions set: QB, LT, CB....

They just need their franchise edge rusher. I believe Beane and McDermott are smart enough to know how Mack could transform their defense. They're also smart enough to know how well he would fit in, how popular he'd be in Buffalo, and how happy he'd likely be to return "home".

The only problem is...12 other teams are gunning for him, too.

[billspro]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

what does this mean?

 

He would fit the culture McDermott is trying to build

[brianthomas]

11 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

People really disrespecting Hughes. He's a beast. Forget the numbers, watch the tape

I like Hughes but to me you gotta factor in how in 2020 he's an UFA & he's approaching that age where players of his type start losing a step... That step that makes Hughes a threat. Some may say he's lost it already. Long term picture will Hughes even still be on this team in a year or 2? With Lawson yet to make his mark in this league & Trent Murphy often injured, with all that in mind I can see where Mack makes sense.

[Max Fischer]

26 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Not that I don't want Mack, but what a player has done in years past doesn't matter with future value.  He's used up 4 prime years that you can't have back if you acquire him.  I mean, you can buy a new BMW for $140,000 and after four years you aren't getting close to that back.

 

I'm pretty confident Mack will continue to dominate from age 27 to 32.  Many of the leagues best defensive players are in that age range. 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, billspro said:

 

He would fit the culture McDermott is trying to build

Ok, but he's holding out for a new contract while he is still under contract......is that the culture  you're talking about?

[mannc]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

And now is the best time to trade for him since Allen is on his rookie deal

Except that he’s really not; he’s on the fifth year option, which is not a bargain.  And he’s said he won’t play under it.

[The Wiz]

Just now, mannc said:

Except that he’s really not; he’s on the fifth year option, which is not a bargain.  And he’s said he won’t play under it.

Maybe for the Raiders.  Who knows if he would hold that over the bills or not.  Beane could just as easily tell him we'll trade for you and get an extension worked out during the season but to suit up.

8 minutes ago, nucci said:

Ok, but he's holding out for a new contract while he is still under contract......is that the culture  you're talking about?

Business side of football.  He's talking about on the field.

[BuffaloBaumer]

1 hour ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

 

I can see a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd plus a player like maybe Lawson or Hughes

No no no and no and definitely no on Tre White

[nucci]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Maybe for the Raiders.  Who knows if he would hold that over the bills or not.  Beane could just as easily tell him we'll trade for you and get an extension worked out during the season but to suit up.

Business side of football.  He's talking about on the field.

I know....just having fun...tired of hearing "process"

[BuffaloBaumer]

I hope he goes to the Pack

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

10 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

I'm pretty confident Mack will continue to dominate from age 27 to 32.  Many of the leagues best defensive players are in that age range. 

Yep.

 

Cameron Wake didn't even start playing in the NFL until the age of 27 for example. Julius Peppers has racked up some 73 sacks (almost half his career total) after turning 30.