Mike Scopp Hacking it Up on National Radio

[Gordio]

8 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

They don't win when he doesn't play.  They lose to almost everybody including 2-11 San Jose State.  Allen is the only reason that team has done anything significant the last two years and he gets put down for it.

 

 

My boss' sons friend went to Wyoming last year & he told my boss that Allen had absolutely nothing to work with at Wyoming.  Said some games his top 3 receivers were walk ons due to various injuries.  Actually said they would not of won a game 3 games last year if it wasn't for Allen.

[Chandler#81]

8 hours ago, White Linen said:

He's an embarrassment to himself.  

I wish this were true. Sadly, as a transplant WNYer listening to him, he represents the community. Everyone listening nationally knows he’s a Buffalo jock, so dissing on the Bills & Sabres appears as inside info..

[Mrbojanglezs]

He was fine in that interview. 

[The_Dude]

I really don't get the hate.

 

I think WGR does a good job. In addition, I do NOT judge a sports talk show host by how much I agree, or disagree with them. Do you want an echo chamber? Do people watch PTI to see Guy A say something that Guy B agrees with? It'd be boring if they just repeated what you think. Mix it up! Get different opinions!

 

I disagree with Mike a bit, but I think he puts on a good show which is what I want. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

WGR gets too much hate. They’ve been covering a drought team for how long? That would get tiring. I dunno, they’re not perfect, but they know their stuff and run a smooth, fun program.

[thenorthremembers]

48 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Agree on Jeremy White.  There are times in the AM show when I have to do a double take because I thought they moved Schopp to AM's with some of Jeremy's takes.  It is interesting to note (in my opinion anyway) that in both the morning and afternoon shows...when any of the hosts goes solo for one reason or another, they each seem to be nicer to callers and more patient/neutral in general.  It is almost as if the two duos feed off of each other and just create this bitter, angry, toxic environment. 

 

I WOULD stop listening all together but there really isn't any other Bills-focused daily shows (Bills Beat with Joe B and Matt Fairburn is good but only comes out every couple days...and I agree with many posters that Sal C. needs his own show!)

 

I would suggest downloading the Stitcher App.  I downloaded it to listen to The Tomahawk Podcast, but if you search Buffalo Bills a ton of Podcasts comes up.   Some are less than professional, but like I said, I prefer just about anything to Schoop.   At the very least the guys on those Podcasts care enough to watch preseason games. 

[Radar]

Man, sports radio at WGR is the worst, in my opinion, probably in the nation. Schopp is the worst of a overall pathetic bunch.

[wagon127]

It is unfortunate that there is no alternative aside from choosing which time of day to listen too. Unfortunately right before Schopp and the Bulldog is the exact opposite program, John Murphy and Steve Tasker. The show that just talks about how everything is great. After listening to that show for 5-10 minutes, Schopp and the Bulldog are actually a breathe of fresh air, because they sound much more realistic. I'm sorry, but we are bashing Schopp for hating on Josh Allen, half this board was anti-Josh Allen before they drafted him. Schopp isn't the only one who didn't like the pick.

[Dirtbag]

1 hour ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Because Schopp adopted 2 black children (which is a kind thing to do and in itself is not relevant...but it this case it does appear to be a factor in his bias...also his bias toward Tyrod) and he is an SJW/Beta ****. 

what a train wreck of a take. 

[jimmy10]

9 hours ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

Aside from that, he’s definitely rude to callers and isn’t at all appreciative for the audience he has. He makes it seem as though you’ve greatly inconvenienced him by calling his show. I think it’s all part of his shtick, but it makes me want to tune out. Bulldog seems like a nice enough fellow, but mostly takes a backseat while Schopp works over the poor soul that called in and dared express an unacceptable opinion or simply delivered it in a manner that wasn’t sufficiently eloquent for Mike.

 

It IS his schtick, the contempt for the audience. That can work, but you’d better be consistently funny. 

 

In terrestrial radio, the population of your media market is ranked and often a reflection of your talent level. Buffalo is the 53rd-ranked media market. 

[oldmanfan]

I would recommend two things to those who don't like the guy:

 

1.  Don't listen

 

2.  Write to his advertisers with a copy to WGR and tell them why you will not be a patron of their company.

 

Living out of town, I don't have to listen to him.  I have a couple times on line, and quickly stopped.  Way too caustic for me.

 

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

 

all right on except the SEC has good defenses, I think you meant the Big 12.

 

 

 

would be better that way or with Sal  or just Sal. I don't know why GR doesn't recognize Sals talent and give him a show.

 

 

He did have a show on Saturdays but I think with him being the Bills beat reporter/sideline reporter during the season its too much...has to be at every practice/news conference/media session/game, etc

Edited August 21, 2018 by matter2003

[Bray Wyatt]

9 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I dunno...this video that played right after with Chris Carter & Eric Mangini on the "First Thing's First" show said a lot of the same things. Allen is raw, didn't do much in college, and is similar to a lot of other failures at the position that were drafted high based on "potential."

Interesting watch nonetheless - 

 

 

The thing that stood out to me was Cris Carters comments about the long wind up, didnt sports science show that he has one of the fastest releases there is?

 

Also, I am not sure who the other guy was, but basically he is using what peoples perceptions were before the draft against him now, seems a lot like confirmation bias rather than analysis

[corta765]

Schopp and Bulldog I have found to run stale. It's the same from both your not getting anything new or exciting with them. Their high point was a decade ago. I don't even listen anymore and back in the early 2010s I called in routinely and would always try to listen.

 

Schopp on this one is correct though. Allen was decent to good at Wyoming, but just off his stats he would be a 2nd-3rd pick. His potential and talent is what got him drafted so high. Now yes if he would've been found by a power 5 school earlier he certainly would have more accolades and developed quicker but such is life.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

WGR gets too much hate. They’ve been covering a drought team for how long? That would get tiring. I dunno, they’re not perfect, but they know their stuff and run a smooth, fun program.

 

So the drought is the excuse for everything? Is the drought (which ended btw) a good reason to not watch Bills preseason games when the team is evaluating a potential franchise QB? I think Schoop thinks he comes off as cool because he's so blasé about Buffalo teams, but he really looks more like Billy Joe Hobert.

 

And you can tell Bulldog defers to Schoop. He doesn't want to challenge him at all. It's a completely different Bulldog when he's on with other co-hosts.

 

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

He did have a show on Saturdays but I think with him being the Bills beat reporter/sideline reporter during the season its too much...has to be at every practice/news conference/media session/game, etc

 

I think Sal is an independent contractor. He's got other media jobs outside of WGR and the Bills.

Edited August 21, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Johnnycage46]

1 hour ago, Dirtbag said:

what a train wreck of a take. 

 

Ok..."Dirtbag".  Do you care to refute what I said?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So the drought is the excuse for everything? Is the drought (which ended btw) a good reason to not watch Bills preseason games when the team is evaluating a potential franchise QB? I think Schoop thinks he comes off as cool because he's so blasé about Buffalo teams, but he really looks more like Billy Joe Hobert.

 

And you can tell Bulldog defers to Schoop. He doesn't want to challenge him at all. It's a completely different Bulldog when he's on with other co-hosts.

 

 

I think Sal is an independent contractor. He's got other media jobs outside of WGR and the Bills.

 

Yes, what I said is the drought is an excuse for everything... I agree he should watch the games, I just don’t think they’re that bad on air.

[Beast]

Schopp is a social justice warrior. It wouldn’t surprise me that he wouldn’t like Allen because of the Twitter situation when Allen was going through puberty.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[Billsflyer12]

I like Schopp and agree with him most of the time.  Guess I’m in the minority of listeners that post on this board.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, jimmy10 said:

 

It IS his schtick, the contempt for the audience. That can work, but you’d better be consistently funny. 

 

In terrestrial radio, the population of your media market is ranked and often a reflection of your talent level. Buffalo is the 53rd-ranked media market. 

The 3 to 7 p.m. show hasn't been funny or creative since producer Greg Bauch left.

[TigerJ]

12 hours ago, Rigotz said:

It's fine if you don't like Schopp... I don't like him either.

I also love Josh Allen.

 

But Josh Allen did not have a good handful of seasons at Wyoming. He didn't even make 1st team or 2nd team All Mountain West Conference at QB. All counting stats, Allen wasn't very good ... and his coach was the guy that coached Carson Wentz to a pretty dominant college career in a similarly bad conference.

 

The reason the Bills drafted him and some of us liked him is during the draft process and combine he got a lot better and showed improvement in mechanics ... and showed himself to be very coachable. Plus the obvious physical tools. If people strictly looked at his college career, he would be a 2nd round pick or later, at best. So ... Schopp is right in this case. There's a reason people were so angry when we drafted Allen, despite how high his ceiling is. 

I'm not a Schopp fan.  I don't catch his comment on SEC defense, but I agree.  I didn't find anything overtly stupid about his reaction to Josh Allen thus far.  He didn't have a great career at Wyoming, but he's shown ideal physical and mental traits for a QB .

[Steve O]

It seems like Murphy does his best to find something positive about calls, Schopp does his best to find something negative. I remember a pre-draft first round pick discussion back in 2003 where callers were supposed to pick the Bill's first pick. Absolutely lamb basted the guy that picked McGahee. Not sure why that sticks out in my mind 15 years later, maybe because I pretty much stopped listening to him after that.

[Bills4Ever4Life]

 

All the rookie QB breakdowns. Josh Allen is throwing on average 15 - 20 MPH faster than the rest....flat footed or on the run. His Time To Release is faster. He is the only one that hits the crossbar lol. 

 

[BullBuchanan]

I guess they're only good if they parrot what you want to hear? I don't always agree with their takes, but I think the complaints are way overblown unless you need validation of your opinions.

Edited August 21, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[HansLanda]

2 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

I like Schopp and agree with him most of the time.  Guess I’m in the minority of listeners that post on this board.

 

Have to take him for what he is. Basically the anti-Sal C. Which I guess can be healthy. It's very clear he does not take the rah-rah position basically ever. Not saying other hosts are all rah-rah and pro-team, but he def is on the other side of the spectrum. 

[PromoTheRobot]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I guess they're only good if they parrot what you want to hear? I don't always agree with their takes, but I think the complaints are way overblown unless you need validation of your opinions.

 

How can you take someone seriously when they admit they don't care enough to pay full attention to the team they supposedly cover?

[Johnnycage46]

I guess the main thing that irritates me when listening is NOT that he or Bulldog have an opinion that is different than mine...but that they genuinely seem to just not like the Bills (which, again is fine in itself...but its a Buffalo radio station and the flagship of the Buffalo Bills).  I don't think he has to be a homer but he complains about everything that the Bills do and when they make a good move or win his reaction most times is "yeah...ok".  Its like he can't allow himself to be happy.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

38 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I guess they're only good if they parrot what you want to hear? I don't always agree with their takes, but I think the complaints are way overblown unless you need validation of your opinions.

 

BullBuchanan, my good fellow, if YE OLE may... 

 

Far be it for YE OLE to speak for the masses, but the overwhelming issue with Schopp doesn’t seem to be that he disagrees with callers, but moreso how he treats callers. Sometimes people call in with takes that are pretty out there, and other times callers will have something to say that’s quite reasonable. Without any rhyme or reason Schopp will decide to take the next several minutes on air to sarcastically poke fun at said caller. It’s not in a manner of genuine disagreement, but it’s more in the spirit of what an idiot that last guy was... in some cases this act will dominate the remainder of the show.

 

If you listen to someone like Sal, he’ll often disagree, but tell you why he feels that way and shares insight into his actual thoughts. He still acts appreciative that you called his show and it generally makes people want to continue to listen and participate in the discussion.

 

Aside from that, others have mentioned he has used his show as a vehicle to promote “social justice.” There’s nothing inherently wrong with this, and YE OLE, himself, is quite politically involved and follows news closely... but there’s a point where it’s exhausting if it bleeds too deeply into sports talk. Many people like to tune in to sports talk to get away from other aspects of the world for a while. It’s not to say there aren’t genuinely political issues that are relevant to discuss as it relates to the NFL and other sports leagues, but Schopp reaches for it at all times and that can be exhausting. An example that sticks out in my mind is his opinion of Carson Wentz. Prior to last season he stated on multiple occasions that he wasn’t a fan of a Wentz and how he didn’t get all the hype about him. He went a step further indicating that it was because he was this white QB who met this prototypical mould and if he was black he would be an afterthought. It’s fine that Schopp feels the way he does, but my opinion, and I believe the opinion of much of his audience, is that most people are growing fatigued of Schopp’s insistence to make race a part of that discussion all of the time.

 

Again, people can choose to tune in or tune out, but it seems many are limiting the amount they listen to the guy and a lot of it surrounds some combination of these things. If there was an alternative, many people would probably tune in. Just YE OLE’s thoughts for what it’s worth.

 

 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Cotton Fitzsimmons

[donbb]

Schopp going on and on for 3 hours a day about how nothing is the preseason matters is pretty tiresome.

[Radar]

5 hours ago, wagon127 said:

It is unfortunate that there is no alternative aside from choosing which time of day to listen too. Unfortunately right before Schopp and the Bulldog is the exact opposite program, John Murphy and Steve Tasker. The show that just talks about how everything is great. After listening to that show for 5-10 minutes, Schopp and the Bulldog are actually a breathe of fresh air, because they sound much more realistic. I'm sorry, but we are bashing Schopp for hating on Josh Allen, half this board was anti-Josh Allen before they drafted him. Schopp isn't the only one who didn't like the pick.

My disdain for Schopp has not a thing to do with how he feels about Josh Allen. It started way before we ever heard of Josh Allen. Realistic? No more than the other show just on the negative leaning rather than a positive leaning. Sports radio on WGR is bad across the board.

[Johnnycage46]

5 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

 

BullBuchanan, my good fellow, if YE OLE may... 

 

Far be it for YE OLE to speak for the masses, but the overwhelming issue with Schopp doesn’t seem to be that he disagrees with callers, but moreso how he treats callers. Sometimes people call in with takes that are pretty out there, and other times callers will have something to say that’s quite reasonable. Without any rhyme or reason Schopp will decide to take the next several minutes on air to sarcastically poke fun at said caller. It’s not in a manner of genuine disagreement, but it’s more in the spirit of what an idiot that last guy was... in some cases this act will dominate the remainder of the show.

 

If you listen to someone like Sal, he’ll often disagree, but tell you why he feels that way and shares insight into his actual thoughts. He still acts appreciative that you called his show and it generally makes people want to continue to listen and participate in the discussion.

 

Aside from that, others have mentioned he has used his show as a vehicle to promote “social justice.” There’s nothing inherently wrong with this, and YE OLE, himself, is quite politically involved and follows news closely... but there’s a point where it’s exhausting if it bleeds too deeply into sports talk. Many people like to tune in to sports talk to get away from other aspects of the world for a while. It’s not to say there aren’t genuinely political issues that are relevant to discuss as it relates to the NFL and other sports leagues, but Schopp reaches for it at all times and that can be exhausting. An example that sticks out in my mind is his opinion of Carson Wentz. Prior to last season he stated on multiple occasions that he wasn’t a fan of a Wentz and how he didn’t get all the hype about him. He went a step further indicating that it was because he was this white QB who met this prototypical mould and if he was black he would be an afterthought. It’s fine that Schopp feels the way he does, but my opinion and I believe the opinion of much of his audience, is that most people are growing fatigued of Schopp’s insistence to make race a part of that discussion all of the time.

 

Again, people can choose to tune in or tune out, but it seems many are limiting the amount they listen to the guy and a lot of it surrounds some combination of these things. If there was an alternative, many people would probably tune in. Just YE OLE’s thoughts for what it’s worth.

 

 

 

Thank you for saying what is in my heart lol

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, donbb said:

Schopp going on and on for 3 hours a day about how nothing is the preseason matters is pretty tiresome.

 

This preseason couldn't have been more meaningful with the Allen pick. Is that not obvious?

[Steptide]

I don't get his obsession with Tyrod. He always defends him anytime someone calls and says he wasn't good. Tyrod was good at a few things and that's about it. He wasn't good at throwing the ball or reading the field. Schoop is almost borderline when it comes to if the bills should've let Tyrod go. Then there's the Lamar Jackson crap he spewed before the draft. Jackson is a long way off from being a legit starting qb. He looked downright awful last night. I'd even say Ej manuel looked like Drew brees in preseason compared to him. I do think he makes some good points sometimes, but 99% of the time he sounds like he hates his life. Bulldog Imo is a much more down to earth, logical host vs schoop

Edited August 21, 2018 by Steptide

[blacklabel]

Schopp's a arrogant friggin' weenie of the L-7 variety.

 

First, I can understand how a lot of radio hosts would get burned out on taking calls from uninformed or clueless callers. And it certainly seems like they take those types of calls more often than not. So I can see them getting snippy or snotty with someone who calls in with a ridiculous suggestion or just flat-out has no clue what they're talking about. What I can't see, is how often guys like him double down on their opinions when met with a solid counter-argument. Case in point, several years ago when I would tune into the show during my drive home, a fan called up and simply said, "I tried telling this to Jeremy this morning but he didn't like it, so, I wanted to know what you guys think ab-" *click* Schopp hung up on the kid and said, "No. Uh uh, you do not call into MY show and take a shot at one of MY guys on MY station. No way." I was like, WTF? All the kid said was that he had a different opinion than White and Schopp sees that as "taking a shot at one of his guys?" Completely ridiculous. So that there pretty much sealed it for me and I quit listening to them. Many of these sports personalities, whether it's radio, TV, journalists, etc. come off very arrogant and egotistical in a "I have this job so obviously I know more than you, peon" type of attitudes. Time and again I see quality tweets wherein a fan has a great counter-point to an opinion posted by a "well respected" writer or analyst and they'll completely ignore tweets like those and instead engage with the trolls or get all up on their high horse and call out the easy targets (i.e. the uninformed fans that post nonsense). 

 

And he can bandwagon with Lamar Jackson all he wants but thusfar, Lamar has been the one that has shown the least amount of promise out of the five first-round QBs that came out this year.

Edited August 21, 2018 by blacklabel

[I'm Spartacus]

Schopp thinks he is on a higher plain than everyone else and comes off as arrogant. Not a good look for a call-in sports show host.

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[Buddy Hix]

3 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

I like Schopp and agree with him most of the time.  Guess I’m in the minority of listeners that post on this board.

I like Schoop and BD too. I think the hate on here comes from the type of fans that take things said about the Bills personally. I tend to agree with Schoop most of the time, so maybe I’m an arrogant !@#$ too, lol.

[Just Joshin']

Why would nationally be different than locally?

[Fadingpain]

To the OP:

 

The best way to hit Schopp where it hurts is to create a multi-page thread about him with a link to his broadcasting!

 

DC Tom just called.  He said you're an idiot.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

I like Schoop and BD too. I think the hate on here comes from the type of fans that take things said about the Bills personally. I tend to agree with Schoop most of the time, so maybe I’m an arrogant !@#$ too, lol.

I find that the dumber posters here are, the more they hate S&B.  As a general rule. 

 

Also, there is no doubt Schopp can be rude to some callers, and a lot of folks here really dislike that.

 

But that is usually simply an expression of Schopp's disdain for callers' utter lack of intelligence or knowledge about what they are talking about.  The caliber of most callers to their show is really, really poor.  Most are incapable of critical thought or offering an argument in support of their assertions, and frequently reference player/coach names incorrectly. 

 

After 18 or however many years of listening to that stuff, I would imagine you get a little frustrated. 

 

As I've said many times before, Schopp would be benefited personally by working in a much larger market.  For whatever reason, he remains in WNY.  He seems to be the homer type, who lives now on the same little Grand Island where he was raised.  Lots of WNYers are like that.  Heck, lots of people are like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Fadingpain]

16 hours ago, Rigotz said:

It's fine if you don't like Schopp... I don't like him either.

I also love Josh Allen.

 

But Josh Allen did not have a good handful of seasons at Wyoming. He didn't even make 1st team or 2nd team All Mountain West Conference at QB. All counting stats, Allen wasn't very good ... and his coach was the guy that coached Carson Wentz to a pretty dominant college career in a similarly bad conference.

 

The reason the Bills drafted him and some of us liked him is during the draft process and combine he got a lot better and showed improvement in mechanics ... and showed himself to be very coachable. Plus the obvious physical tools. If people strictly looked at his college career, he would be a 2nd round pick or later, at best. So ... Schopp is right in this case. There's a reason people were so angry when we drafted Allen, despite how high his ceiling is. 

Exactly.

 

Early in that interview, Schopp said "Well the Bills have been mediocre for a lot of years".

 

Which of course, is true. 

 

I suspect the OP got pissed off right there and decided the entire segment was rubbish.

 

 

[Bing Bong]

why do ya'll keep getting upset at this stuff. I don't even know who Schopp is. And I'm glad I don't know some random radio host. I have to listen to The Ticket in Dallas. Literally the most obnoxious fan cult following radio station ever.. that everybody listens to.