Buffalo03 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just start him. He might get hurt this season but what are the odds he will get a career ending injury? I refuse to watch Nathan Peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Yeezus said: Don't care how good Josh Allen looked yesterday, don't care how well he plays in the next 2 games. No team in there right mind should risk their future franchise QB behind that mess we have put together as an offensive line  2-3 of those players wouldn't even be in the NFL had it not been for the Bills for some reason still sticking with them. Beane has failed to address the Oline for the 2nd offseason in a row and its showing in preseason (and training camp).  Look, we aren't going to win many games this season, lets stop being delusional. This is a rebuild year. It isn't worth risking the future of your team just to win a few games. Let Peterman start and go from there.  The second team oline looked really good. I think there is a combo that would provide us with an average oline . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: We shouldn’t start Allen until we have 5 Pro Bowl lineman blocking for him.  No need for hyperbole. There is somewhere between arguably the worst line in the league and "5 pro bowl lineman." Some people just don't want to see Allen get injured like McCarron did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Yeezus said: Don't care how good Josh Allen looked yesterday, don't care how well he plays in the next 2 games. No team in there right mind should risk their future franchise QB behind that mess we have put together as an offensive line  2-3 of those players wouldn't even be in the NFL had it not been for the Bills for some reason still sticking with them. Beane has failed to address the Oline for the 2nd offseason in a row and its showing in preseason (and training camp).  Look, we aren't going to win many games this season, lets stop being delusional. This is a rebuild year. It isn't worth risking the future of your team just to win a few games. Let Peterman start and go from there.  The Bills are making the starting QB decision based on what the line looks like as it's been discussed in many other threads. It's not happening and it shouldn't.   Beane did address the line in UFA with the signings of Bodine and Newhouse. Additionally he drafted Teller.   Allen will start or not based on his own development path and performance on the field.  /thread Edited August 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Green Lightning said: Like I've been saying, you got to get Bodine out of that lineup. Ducasse sucks as well. at this point I'd like to see Groy at Center and let's bring that Teller kid up to play guard. It's what I see too, and we're far from the only ones. Yet I have to disbelieve my eyes and trust that professional coaches that are with them daily know better. But it's hard to distrust one's own eyes LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, cd1 said:  McCarron holds on to the ball too long. Tyrod could get away with it because he was a MUCH faster runner. The Browns treated McCarron like teams would Tyrod - Make him throw the ball - sack! Allen came in and (yes he was rushed) got the ball out quick. Do THAT a few times and the defense has to back off some.  In all fairness Nate Peterman ALSO gets the ball out quicker than McCarron.  One more thing - I just re-watched last nights game and I did not see any play that would lead me to believe that AJ could have been hurt or injured. Looked like some fairly routine type sacks. Allen took some brutal sacks though.  All that said, our O-Line SUCKS and the only way (other than getting better players) is not giving the defense enough time to attack. IMO  The sack at 2:30 left in the 1st. Watch the next play. It's a hand off and after the play you can see AJM swing his right around after the hand off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, cd1 said:  McCarron holds on to the ball too long. Tyrod could get away with it because he was a MUCH faster runner. The Browns treated McCarron like teams would Tyrod - Make him throw the ball - sack! Really? He often got hit right away. He didn't have time to hold the ball too long! Anyway, he's out for a while but I really hopes he comes back sonner than later. We need 3 QBs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, MPT said:  No need for hyperbole. There is somewhere between arguably the worst line in the league and "5 pro bowl lineman." Some people just don't want to see Allen get injured like McCarron did.  Allen has also previously broken his collarbone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:  Allen has also previously broken his collarbone. Trying to run over a defensive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Just start him. He might get hurt this season but what are the odds he will get a career ending injury? I refuse to watch Nathan Peterman  piss off with that that mentality  Thats how you destroy a rookies development. God some Bills fans are absolutely delusional. Go support another team if all you care about is winning right now. We are rebuilding. Edited August 18, 2018 by Yeezus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, billspro said: Â The second team oline looked really good. I think there is a combo that would provide us with an average oline . Â Dawkins-Teller-Groy-Miller-Mills (maybe Wesley?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Allen is used to facing jailbreaks on most plays. He's already far better handling the rush than Nate Peterdown or AJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Just start him. He might get hurt this season but what are the odds he will get a career ending injury? Â Â promising young Bills QB? Â about 40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Did Josh Allen really have any competition from the get go? Let's be honest, AJ McCarron couldn't beat out an average (good but not great) Andy Dalton and Peterman may be a decent QB someday but I doubt he'll be a starter at any point, maybe a Frank Reich type? Allen has the arm and escapability to get himself out of trouble, I would have liked to see him sit a year and just soak it all in but he's the best chance for us to win and it's quite obvious at least imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Fans have no idea how an OL works together. All they see is the result of the play. It's mostly mental. Knowing who to block is the biggest part of good pass protection. There were a couple breakdowns vs Cleveland. It wasn't a jailbreak. All correctable. That said, Ducasse and Bodine shouldn't be starting IMO. Edited August 18, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:  The Bills are making the starting QB decision based on what the line looks likeas it's been discussed in many other threads. It's not happening and it shouldn't.   Beane did address the line in UFA with the signings of Bodine and Newhouse. Additionally he drafted Teller.   Allen will start or not based on his own development path and performance on the field.  /thread  Bodene and Newhouse? LMAO the league is laughing at us with those signings. Journeymen Oline players aren't fixing anything  we need to invest in the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 We have our QB . Every other position can be addressed in free agency. Trade draft picks now to put together a real offensive line.  Several recent Super Bowls have been won by guys on a rookie QB contract. There is not time to fart around building a line for three years. There is on reason to stockpile picks. The QB search is over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Step away from the ledge..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said:  piss off with that that mentality  Thats how you destroy a rookies development. God some Bills fans are absolutely delusional. Go support another team if all you care about is winning right now. We are rebuilding. We made the playoffs last year.  What is missing from 2017 that makes 2018 a rebuilding year?  Please be specific and please don't say Preston Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, billspro said: Â The second team oline looked really good. I think there is a combo that would provide us with an average oline . but they weren't playing against a the first team defense. Not to say that one of those players won't break through. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said:  Bodene and Newhouse? LMAO the league is laughing at us with those signings. Journeymen Oline players aren't fixing anything  we need to invest in the line.  To be fair to the FO, I’m not sure they expected to have to replace RI or Wood.  They did draft Teller, and I expect him to be a starter at LG sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Yeezus said: Don't care how good Josh Allen looked yesterday, don't care how well he plays in the next 2 games. No team in there right mind should risk their future franchise QB behind that mess we have put together as an offensive line  2-3 of those players wouldn't even be in the NFL had it not been for the Bills for some reason still sticking with them. Beane has failed to address the Oline for the 2nd offseason in a row and its showing in preseason (and training camp).  Look, we aren't going to win many games this season, lets stop being delusional. This is a rebuild year. It isn't worth risking the future of your team just to win a few games. Let Peterman start and go from there. Tell this to two time Super Bowl Champ Eli Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Ben Roethlisberger hasn't had an o-line for 14 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yeezus said:  Bodene and Newhouse? LMAO the league is laughing at us with those signings. Journeymen Oline players aren't fixing anything  we need to invest in the line.  It's not as if top caliber OL are just waiting to be snatched up with an overabundance in the league and they were dealt an unexpected blow with the retirement of Richie Incognito on top of Wood leaving due to career ending injury.  It is what it is, but there's no reason to baby Allen if he's ready. Edited August 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I have a feeling that part of the FO's thinking has been that next year they will have the cap space to improve the o-line with free agent additions, so if McCarron or Peterman can play adequately, having Allen sit for the year would make sense for multiple reasons.  Because Allen has been better than expected (at least so far) combined with the injury to McCarron, they may not have this luxury.   The o-line is worrisome.  I doubt there are many quick fixes here, but Groy should be starting and maybe Teller can take one of the guard spots at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, MPT said:  No need for hyperbole. There is somewhere between arguably the worst line in the league and "5 pro bowl lineman." Some people just don't want to see Allen get injured like McCarron did.  Injuries can happen at any point regardless of who is blocking for you. Start the guy that gives us the best chance to win and that’s it. Should we not play shady either? Can’t risk him getting injured either behind this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Â ....."paging Mouse McNally".......Mr. Fix It at age 74 is WAAAAAAAY better than what we have now............... Â when he was here in the mid 2000's he made a point of saying, "I'm not a miracle worker, I can only work with the talent I have." Â As to the OP, no one is ignoring the OL NOW, not after a game like last night. Â Its the off season when its ignored. And that's when it should be a priority. Â Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I just said this in another thread, but the 2nd team OL was just as bad as the 1st team OL last night. It only looks better because Allen knows how to escape pressure. The TD to Streater is a perfect example. No other QB on the team (and only a few QBs in the NFL) can score that TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Â Dawkins-Teller-Groy-Miller-Mills (maybe Wesley?) yes. let us pray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Were going to have to see what week 3 brings...  And by the way the 1st team D also blew donkey nards... Dont forget your rage for the 1st team D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: yes. let us pray  Praise be to god.  Peace be with you, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Step away from the ledge..... which one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Can we send our Oline to train with Incognito at the funny farm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Yeezus said:  Bodene and Newhouse? LMAO the league is laughing at us with those signings. Journeymen Oline players aren't fixing anything  we need to invest in the line.  Dawkins, Miller and Teller  we have been investing in the o-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Who do you think is trading starting level offensive linemen 2 weeks before the season? 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, 3rdand12 said: which one ? All of them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Â Praise be to god. Â Peace be with you, brother. and to you as well. Â and The O line Just now, fansince88 said: All of them.... ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 This logic does not make sense. Let's just forfeit every game until we get better lineman  I heard Brady wants to sit also since they just lost their rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The sack at 2:30 left in the 1st. Watch the next play. It's a hand off and after the play you can see AJM swing his right around after the hand off.  Absolutely! I see it now. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Who do you think is trading starting level offensive linemen 2 weeks before the season?  Let them play in their imaginary world. It’s the same world where we are also trading for Khalil Mack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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