Josh Allen Scouting Report

[Buffalo716]

 

Revisitng my scouting report from 7 months ago I am very pleased with how Allen is progressing.

 

He has really come along way in a bunch of departments (mechanics looks sharper, learning to throw with some touch)

 

and I don’t think he’s as inaccurate as many(including me when I made this) think he is 

 

The Howitzer that is attached to his right shoulder cannot be overstated, and cannot be grasped until you see it in person 

 

He is different. The ball comes out of his hand differently. He is special... no need to rush him...

 

i think as Bills fans we are so used to getting let down... it’s hard to truly believe we found the guy... that’s why it’s easy to look at his stat line from college and be unimpressed 

 

But when you break down what he does do good, and how much he’s willing to work to improve... the sky is the limit and he is already pretty good

 

When he finally is the starter there will be ups and downs but in time he will become a star For us... the term once in a generation gets tossed around far too much... but Joshs arm only comes around once every 25 years

 

Seeing it in person just made me billieve even more, he really does have rare talent 

 

Cant wait for the season and his career!

 

Go Bills

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

Kid is going to light it up.

 

Imagine how the home crowd will react when he makes a 78-yard TD for the go-ahead score.

 

Drooling.

[LEBills]

I was early on the bandwagon back in January ?

[Formerly Allan in MD]

I expected Allen to come out like the raw rookie he is: nervous, shaky, hesitatant, and awed by the opportunity, especially being from a non-powerhouse school and conference.  What we witnessed, however, was a cool headed leader, seemingly comfortable in the glare of many doubting fans and a media likely ready to pounce.  He's still raw and obviously has a lot to learn.  But based on what we witnessed, the skeptics should beware.  There will be bumps ahead but the level of the bar has, hopefully, been raised considerably.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

I was early on the bandwagon back in January ?

 

I don’t think you can say I disliked him... I called him a high end prospect but acknowledged his flaws

 

which any scout would 

 

He certainly warranted a high pick 

[LEBills]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I don’t think you can say I disliked him... I called him a high end prospect but acknowledged his flaws

 

which any scout would 

 

He certainly warranted a high pick 

 

Nah not saying that at all my friend. You did a nice scouting report.

 

just looking at my post on the first page. 

[That's No Moon]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Revisitng my scouting report from 7 months ago I am very pleased with how Allen is progressing.

 

He has really come along way in a bunch of departments (mechanics looks sharper, learning to throw with some touch)

 

and I don’t think he’s as inaccurate as many(including me when I made this) think he is 

 

The Howitzer that is attached to his right shoulder cannot be overstated, and cannot be grasped until you see it in person 

 

He is different. The ball comes out of his hand differently. He is special... no need to rush him...

 

i think as Bills fans we are so used to getting let down... it’s hard to truly believe we found the guy... that’s why it’s easy to look at his stat line from college and be unimpressed 

 

But when you break down what he does do good, and how much he’s willing to work to improve... the sky is the limit and he is already pretty good

 

When he finally is the starter there will be ups and downs but in time he will become a star For us... the term once in a generation gets tossed around far too much... but Joshs arm only comes around once every 25 years

 

Seeing it in person just made me billieve even more, he really does have rare talent 

 

Cant wait for the season and his career!

 

Go Bills

Relatively minor thing, but I was impressed by the way he was able to get the team in and out of the huddle.  They were consistently lined up at least 5 seconds quicker than when McCarron was in and that really makes a difference when you are trying to run a lot of motion, etc.  Rookies aren't usually very good at that and it didn't seem to be an issue - even with the dregs of the roster around him.

[Augie]

I’ll be cautious and wait until we have three full quarters of pre-season play to proclaim the future with certainty.      ?

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, LEBills said:

 

Nah not saying that at all my friend. You did a nice scouting report.

 

just looking at my post on the first page. 

 

I understood what you were saying.

 

you were on the bandwagon ?

[Johnny Hammersticks]

14 minutes ago, Augie said:

I’ll be cautious and wait until we have three full quarters of pre-season play to proclaim the future with certainty.      ?

 

Augie.  Always there to bring you down to earth.  Cheers to you, brotha.

[DefenseWins]

What has surprised me the most so far is the way he almost naturally steps up in the pocket consistently and his overall pocket presence...

[Seanbillsfan2206]

I was very low on Allen before the draft. Out of all the first rounds QBs, he was the last one I wanted. When we drafted him I almost slit my wrist. Now I have a total man crush on him. I gushed like a school girl when he came out on the field against Carolina and when he flung the ball down the field with ease on his first snap my nipples got rock hard 

Edited August 14, 2018 by Seanbillsfan2206

[BringBackFergy]

I was probably the first to scout Allen. Watched him a bunch when he played Pee Wee back in Firebox, CA. I also went to several high school games scouting him and the local punter. Fast forward to last October and you’ll see many of my posts where I brought his name up as the best QB in the draft - nay, a generation. All youz guys that laughed at me can suck it. I was the first to like him as a QB. 

[Sky Diver]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

I’ll be cautious and wait until we have three full quarters of pre-season play to proclaim the future with certainty.      ?

 

Just make sure to get on board before the gold jacket presentation.

[Buffalo716]

21 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I was probably the first to scout Allen. Watched him a bunch when he played Pee Wee back in Firebox, CA. I also went to several high school games scouting him and the local punter. Fast forward to last October and you’ll see many of my posts where I brought his name up as the best QB in the draft - nay, a generation. All youz guys that laughed at me can suck it. I was the first to like him as a QB. 

 

Got the lottery numbers for this week bud?

[FeelingOnYouboty]

If Josh Allen's 2017 season looked like his 2016 season he would've been the first overall pick. People forget the hype he had right before the 2017 Draft. 

 

29 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I was probably the first to scout Allen. Watched him a bunch when he played Pee Wee back in Firebox, CA. I also went to several high school games scouting him and the local punter. Fast forward to last October and you’ll see many of my posts where I brought his name up as the best QB in the draft - nay, a generation. All youz guys that laughed at me can suck it. I was the first to like him as a QB. 

 

Glad you're excited but let's not go overboard off of a half of preseason football v third stringers. LOL!

Edited August 14, 2018 by FeelingOnYouboty

[BigBuff423]

1 hour ago, DefenseWins said:

What has surprised me the most so far is the way he almost naturally steps up in the pocket consistently and his overall pocket presence...

 

Ironically enough, I think that *could* be the benefit of playing behind an abysmal line his last year at Wyoming. The clock is ticking the second the ball is snapped and a QB used to running for his life and keeping his awareness at its peak might help him be fervently cognizant of the pocket.

 

One of my worries with Mayfield was that he had soooooooo much time behind a great line at Oklahoma that he would struggle to adjust to the speed of the NFL Defense. I won't presume anything good or bad about one pre-season start. It won't be until the game is live with real scheme, passion and relentless pursuit before we know anything about any of them but IMHO especially Mayfield just because of the wide pocket he consistently had to throw from....but, we'll see.

 

Either way, RE: Allen, it's encouraging to see but I will reserve my highs or lows until the season starts and then wait until he's actually playing in the games before I make any concrete conclusions. 

[richardb1952]

I like that he is comfortable climbing the pocket, can throw on the run, looks to and is willing to throw the ball in tight windows, and can run when needed to.  His strong arm will really stretch the defense.  I look forward to what he can become in 2 years onward in this offense.  

Edited August 14, 2018 by richardb1952

[Magox]

We all know, we've heard and seen how strong of an arm he has but to actually see it in action, it's just absolutely crazy how much power he has behind his throws.  

 

That last preseason game showcased some of the "wow" throws that we are hoping to see.     That was one of the intangibles that I saw from watching his college videos that don't show up in the game stats.  There were so many times where on busted plays he gets out of the pocket and makes these amazing throws that only a handful of people in the NFL can make.   I honestly believe that the best comparable for him is Ben Roethlisberger.   The ability to break arm tackles, get outside of the pocket with his good athleticism, scan the field while doing so and then using his cannon arm to make big plays down the field.   The Wide Receivers on this team need to realize to never give up on their routes and think touchdown because undoubtedly they will have their opportunities to make big plays with Allen at the helm.

 

Another thing that I came away impressed with as a few others have noted was how he consistently climbed up the pocket and made throws.  Lots of QB's specially young ones see that pressure coming from the outside and begin to get jittery and that's where the mistakes begin to happen.  Allen showed lots of poise and did not show that jitteryness.   

 

He just needs to continue to work on his mechanics for those shorter throws and get some game action/experience and I'm confident we'll have our franchise QB that we've all been waiting for.

[Maynard]

I’ve been pumped since the day we drafted him. I don’t think in 30 years of watching football that I’ve seen an arm like his.  I remember watching Moon and George for example ( two known for their arm strength), but the way the ball leaves his hand is not something I’ve seen. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Just make sure to get on board before the gold jacket presentation.

 

No gold jackets until half time of his first REGULAR season game. I have time. 

[Woodman19]

1 hour ago, Maynard said:

I’ve been pumped since the day we drafted him. I don’t think in 30 years of watching football that I’ve seen an arm like his.  I remember watching Moon and George for example ( two known for their arm strength), but the way the ball leaves his hand is not something I’ve seen. 

He looks a lot like Elway to me from a tools perspective.

[N.Y. Orangeman]

716:  Great post as always.

 

How would you rank the QBs now and what grade would you place on Josh (as well as others, if they have changed)?

[Teddy KGB]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I was probably the first to scout Allen. Watched him a bunch when he played Pee Wee back in Firebox, CA. I also went to several high school games scouting him and the local punter. Fast forward to last October and you’ll see many of my posts where I brought his name up as the best QB in the draft - nay, a generation. All youz guys that laughed at me can suck it. I was the first to like him as a QB. 

 

Where can I get a nice slice of pie in Firebox ? 

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, Woodman19 said:

He looks a lot like Elway to me from a tools perspective.

I've said that is his ceiling from the beginning.

[GoBills808]

Props for bumping a thread where you and GunnerBill called him a third round pick?. If he pans out like some people (cough cough me) predicted, might be better to let that one sink to the bottom for a couple folk's sake.

[Bangarang]

He’s looked better than I expected. 

[Buffalo716]

24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Props for bumping a thread where you and GunnerBill called him a third round pick?. If he pans out like some people (cough cough me) predicted, might be better to let that one sink to the bottom for a couple folk's sake.

Where did I say that?

 

i have him as a 1st round pick, and high end prospect...

 

i was critical of a bunch but I did say he was going high in round 1

Edited August 14, 2018 by Buffalo716

[Tenhigh]

8 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I was probably the first to scout Allen. Watched him a bunch when he played Pee Wee back in Firebox, CA. I also went to several high school games scouting him and the local punter. Fast forward to last October and you’ll see many of my posts where I brought his name up as the best QB in the draft - nay, a generation. All youz guys that laughed at me can suck it. I was the first to like him as a QB. 

Like him, or LIKE him like him?

[Charles Romes]

He makes the field look small. 

[HansLanda]

19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Revisitng my scouting report from 7 months ago I am very pleased with how Allen is progressing.

 

He has really come along way in a bunch of departments (mechanics looks sharper, learning to throw with some touch)

 

and I don’t think he’s as inaccurate as many(including me when I made this) think he is 

 

The Howitzer that is attached to his right shoulder cannot be overstated, and cannot be grasped until you see it in person 

 

He is different. The ball comes out of his hand differently. He is special... no need to rush him...

 

i think as Bills fans we are so used to getting let down... it’s hard to truly believe we found the guy... that’s why it’s easy to look at his stat line from college and be unimpressed 

 

But when you break down what he does do good, and how much he’s willing to work to improve... the sky is the limit and he is already pretty good

 

When he finally is the starter there will be ups and downs but in time he will become a star For us... the term once in a generation gets tossed around far too much... but Joshs arm only comes around once every 25 years

 

Seeing it in person just made me billieve even more, he really does have rare talent 

 

Cant wait for the season and his career!

 

Go Bills

 

Too long; didn't read: we should all be optimistic. 

 

Thanks for this. As a longtime skeptic, given our QB history and I wanted Rosen, color me very intrigued/impressed.

 

I made a LONG drive to see the first game in person at NEF. Without question, I've never had this level of optimism in Losman, Edwards or EJ. Losman had an arm and some legs, but was kinda small and never really knew what the hell he was doing. Edwards had - it seemed - poise, but that led to check downs because he had zero arm. EJ, well, I never really got him at all. Just a guy. 

 

Allen, in one game, showed poise, command of huddle AND at the line, and just made plays with his arm and legs. Once he really gets dialed in within this O, it really is something to consider. 

 

A few things highlighted:

 

(1) I really can't comment on his college mechanics because, well, I just don't know that much about foot position, but he was not wildly inaccurate by any stretch. With #1 NFL receivers, at least one of his deep shots is a completion. 

 

(2) If he didn't have an arm, after all the hype, we would have pitch forks. But my lord, I know it's cliche to have an arm to 'throw in the wind of Buffalo' but it really is a thing. The fact he was throwing guys open on game 1 is very encouraging. 

 

(3) I don't know if this is just a product of the 'game plan' for the first preseason game, but he def stared down his receivers. Did he do slight pumps here and there to get DB's to commit? Absolutely. That all said, he needs to scan the field more with a plan already in mind. #1 defenses feast on guys that stare at the first read. That will lead to picks and sacks in the regular season. In some cases, all he had to do was identify the first read and where he was going to go, and then just look elsewhere for half a second to move a safety and make the throw. I am fully aware that is counter to my lack of knowledge of foot position, but on tape it's very clear what DBs do when Qb's are only looking at one half of the field. Again, could be a game plan/play call thing.

 

He just can't be Mr. Improv if he plays against #1's. Not yet anyway. 

 

 

[Maynard]

8 hours ago, Woodman19 said:

He looks a lot like Elway to me from a tools perspective.

 

I think you’re most likely correct there. It was a long time ago, but still don’t remember Elway having that same pop. I’ll have to go back and watch some old highlights now lol. 

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, HansLanda said:

 

Too long; didn't read: we should all be optimistic. 

 

Thanks for this. As a longtime skeptic, given our QB history and I wanted Rosen, color me very intrigued/impressed.

 

I made a LONG drive to see the first game in person at NEF. Without question, I've never had this level of optimism in Losman, Edwards or EJ. Losman had an arm and some legs, but was kinda small and never really knew what the hell he was doing. Edwards had - it seemed - poise, but that led to check downs because he had zero arm. EJ, well, I never really got him at all. Just a guy. 

 

Allen, in one game, showed poise, command of huddle AND at the line, and just made plays with his arm and legs. Once he really gets dialed in within this O, it really is something to consider. 

 

A few things highlighted:

 

(1) I really can't comment on his college mechanics because, well, I just don't know that much about foot position, but he was not wildly inaccurate by any stretch. With #1 NFL receivers, at least one of his deep shots is a completion. 

 

(2) If he didn't have an arm, after all the hype, we would have pitch forks. But my lord, I know it's cliche to have an arm to 'throw in the wind of Buffalo' but it really is a thing. The fact he was throwing guys open on game 1 is very encouraging. 

 

(3) I don't know if this is just a product of the 'game plan' for the first preseason game, but he def stared down his receivers. Did he do slight pumps here and there to get DB's to commit? Absolutely. That all said, he needs to scan the field more with a plan already in mind. #1 defenses feast on guys that stare at the first read. That will lead to picks and sacks in the regular season. In some cases, all he had to do was identify the first read and where he was going to go, and then just look elsewhere for half a second to move a safety and make the throw. I am fully aware that is counter to my lack of knowledge of foot position, but on tape it's very clear what DBs do when Qb's are only looking at one half of the field. Again, could be a game plan/play call thing.

 

He just can't be Mr. Improv if he plays against #1's. Not yet anyway. 

 

 

Too long.

Didnt read..

[TigerJ]

I don't know that Josh Allen was the QB I hoped the Bills would draft.  I liked Darnold and Mayfield.  I think Rosen had a chance to be successful.  I even immagined how Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph could be successful for the Bills.  I was not unhappy when the Bills drafted Allen, though I thought it might be a full year or more before he was ready to start.  The biggest change for me is that I now believe ye might be successful as a starter almost from day one if the Bills go in that direction.  He has three more preseason games, and he has made astounding progress on his learning curve.  I don't know that the Bills feel the need to start him day one, and I won't complain if they don't, but there's no reason IMO that they couldn't.

[NickelCity]

i was all over the place on Allen (and Darnold) throughout the process. Day of, I definitely wanted Rosen. I wasn't happy when they selected Allen. But, I've been very happy reading about his camp performance and it's a hell of a lot of fun watching him play.  

 

It's so fun being a fan in times like these.

[Nematocyte]

18 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Fast forward to last October and you’ll see many of my posts where I brought his name up as the best QB in the draft - nay, a generation.

 

As much as I want Allen to succeed, the chances of him being a generational QB are ridiculously slim. 

[kota]

All i looked for when he played was whether or not he made people around him better and if he outplayed everyone on the field.  He answered both those questions.  This is why you see him running with the 2nd team now.  

[eball]

22 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I was very low on Allen before the draft. Out of all the first rounds QBs, he was the last one I wanted. When we drafted him I almost slit my wrist. Now I have a total man crush on him. I gushed like a school girl when he came out on the field against Carolina and when he flung the ball down the field with ease on his first snap my nipples got rock hard 

 

Very glad you said nipples.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Shaw66]

On 8/14/2018 at 3:53 PM, formerlyofCtown said:

I've said that is his ceiling from the beginning.

Actually he looks like he runs better than Elway.  Pure physical skills, he really stands out. 

18 hours ago, Nematocyte said:

 

As much as I want Allen to succeed, the chances of him being a generational QB are ridiculously slim. 

Actually not. Most years there's no one in the draft who looks like a generational QB.  For any given generation there are only about 10 guys who have a shot.  That means his chances are 1 in 10.  Not bad.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 8/13/2018 at 9:56 PM, Buffalo716 said:

 

Revisitng my scouting report from 7 months ago I am very pleased with how Allen is progressing.

 

He has really come along way in a bunch of departments (mechanics looks sharper, learning to throw with some touch)

 

and I don’t think he’s as inaccurate as many(including me when I made this) think he is 

 

The Howitzer that is attached to his right shoulder cannot be overstated, and cannot be grasped until you see it in person 

 

He is different. The ball comes out of his hand differently. He is special... no need to rush him...

 

i think as Bills fans we are so used to getting let down... it’s hard to truly believe we found the guy... that’s why it’s easy to look at his stat line from college and be unimpressed 

 

But when you break down what he does do good, and how much he’s willing to work to improve... the sky is the limit and he is already pretty good

 

When he finally is the starter there will be ups and downs but in time he will become a star For us... the term once in a generation gets tossed around far too much... but Joshs arm only comes around once every 25 years

 

Seeing it in person just made me billieve even more, he really does have rare talent 

 

Cant wait for the season and his career!

 

Go Bills

 

championships coming our way.