Mahomes Struggling in Camp

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Aaron Rodgers?

No.

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I dont understand the hype around Mahomes at all.

He has a nice arm.

 

Thats it.

[eball]

48 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I'm sorry but if bean gets fired it will be because he passed on Rosen.

 

 

 

 

Mr. Bean?

 

 

 

Perhaps a small point, but the Bills' GM's name is Brandon Beane.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Jay_Fixit said:

He has a nice arm.

 

Thats it.

Eh. Was like a 50 yard toss and he had to put his back into it...Allen can probably go 50 from his knees.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Eh. Was like a 50 yard toss and he had to put his back into it...Allen can probably go 50 from his knees.

 

...and THAT was almost a GAME total yesteryear......

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Eh. Was like a 50 yard toss and he had to put his back into it...Allen can probably go 50 from his knees.

I’m no Maholmes fan but

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2016/06/13/watch-texas-tech-qb-patrick-mahomes-throw-football-65-yards-knees

[billsfan89]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The guy was playing out the string after 11 years in Philly on a crappy Washington team.  Not sure what compelling argument you are trying to make here--that he would have had a much better season on that redskins team if Reid was still his coach? 

 

The fact remains that , despite  all of his "track record" of "mentoring" all of those QBs after McNabb, the inescapable fact is that Reid has won a single playoff game in the past 11 years. 

 

I will give you props for coining the phrase "highly below average" though.  That's pretty sweet.

 

If McNabb was still in Philly that year he probably would have had a much better season for various factors (supporting cast, knowing Reid's system etc.) That was my general point. From what you wrote you were stating that the Skins being a top 10 passing offense that year was proof that McNabb would have been good without Reid. Which given a further analysis of that season just doesn't hold water. 

 

My point was that even if you want to write off all of Reid's accomplishments with QB's as just him "Having good QB's" then you have to at the very least by that logic give him props for evaluating the QB position tremendously and having a system that utilizing good QB's. A lot of teams struggle to find good QB's and Reid always seemed to be able to find good ones. I think that's why people point to Reid as a positive when talking about Mahomes. Reid provides a proven offensive system and is a coach who seems to know good QB talent 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

I don't mean to sound like I want the guy to fail at his life's dream, but he is already a millionaire and if he is a bust, then it would be very unlikely KC would be in contention for the playoffs this season, making the path for the Bills a little easier.  I am not as high on Kareem Hunt as some others are in fantasy.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

If McNabb was still in Philly that year he probably would have had a much better season for various factors (supporting cast, knowing Reid's system etc.) That was my general point. From what you wrote you were stating that the Skins being a top 10 passing offense that year was proof that McNabb would have been good without Reid. Which given a further analysis of that season just doesn't hold water. 

 

My point was that even if you want to write off all of Reid's accomplishments with QB's as just him "Having good QB's" then you have to at the very least by that logic give him props for evaluating the QB position tremendously and having a system that utilizing good QB's. A lot of teams struggle to find good QB's and Reid always seemed to be able to find good ones. I think that's why people point to Reid as a positive when talking about Mahomes. Reid provides a proven offensive system and is a coach who seems to know good QB talent 

 

 

It's a simple point i was making--McNabb, at the tail end of his career, went to Wash and made a bad offense better.  

 

"Finding" a good QB to me doesn't mean hiring one that was already pretty good (Alex Smith or even Vick).  McNabb was an easy "find" as the number 2 pick in the draft.

 

 

But hey, if Reid can win a playoff game with Mahomes this season, I will hail him as a QB guru.

Edited August 4, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[Jay_Fixit]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Eh. Was like a 50 yard toss and he had to put his back into it...Allen can probably go 50 from his knees.

True. But that’s all Mahomes has.

 

[Ol Dirty B]

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I always say TBD and TSW are educational.  I had no previous idea that corn has nuts.

 

Tedford, Cal 2002-2004, I think so?

Also Drew Brees?

 

Then there's Kyle Boller

 

 

I'll admit I thought Boller was going to be good. However, I do think judging a guy just based off the college system is faulty. These coaches are getting paid millions to win games, not prepare guys for the pros. If that style of offense takes advantage of college defenses weaknesses they are going to run it for self preservation.

[billsfan89]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It's a simple point i was making--McNabb, at the tail end of his career, went to Wash and made a bad offense better.  

 

"Finding" a good QB to me doesn't mean hiring one that was already pretty good (Alex Smith or even Vick).  McNabb was an easy "find" as the number 2 pick in the draft.

 

 

But hey, if Reid can win a playoff game with Mahomes this season, I will hail him as a QB guru.

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You are looking at things in retrospect and acting like decisions that panned out were obvious decisions that any boob could have made, the bottom line is that Reid always did good in identifying QB talent both at his backup position and his starting position. I think it Reid can get to the playoffs with Mahomes (who is starting his first full season) It will further prove how good Reid is at identifying QB talent. 

[reddogblitz]

On 8/4/2018 at 9:55 AM, NewEra said:

I’m no Maholmes fan but

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2016/06/13/watch-texas-tech-qb-patrick-mahomes-throw-football-65-yards-knees

 

how many points do you get for that in a game?

On 8/4/2018 at 1:15 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

"Finding" a good QB to me doesn't mean hiring one that was already pretty good (Alex Smith or even Vick).  McNabb was an easy "find" as the number 2 pick in the draft.

 

I'll take a good QB any which way but loose.  Just get one here someway somehow.

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

how many points do you get for that in a game?

 

I'll take a good QB any which way but loose.  Just get one here someway somehow.

It doesn’t take you any.  Read what I was relying to.  K thx

Edited August 5, 2018 by NewEra

[C.Biscuit97]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/07/patrick-mahomes-has-near-perfect-day-in-last-camp-practice-before-preseason/amp/

 

24-25, only incompletion was a drop.  Good thing the Chiefs didn’t cut him after the first day of camp.  

 

Stop overreacting to practices!!!

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/07/patrick-mahomes-has-near-perfect-day-in-last-camp-practice-before-preseason/amp/

 

24-25, only incompletion was a drop.  Good thing the Chiefs didn’t cut him after the first day of camp.  

 

Stop overreacting to practices!!!

 

 

This is pretty much a walk though in shorts.  This wasn't an 11 on 11 or even 7 on 7....it was a drill.

 

Mahomes’ only incompletion during team drills was a drop from Demarcus Robinson who is usually pretty sure-handed. Now obviously we have to call this like it is. The Chiefs were in shorts, in an abbreviated practice that amounted to pretty much a dry-run for Thursday’s preseason kickoff.

On 8/4/2018 at 12:37 PM, Jay_Fixit said:

He has a nice arm.

 

Thats it.

 

Why was he leaving the pocket without a pass rush?

Edited August 9, 2018 by Royale with Cheese

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This is pretty much a walk though in shorts.  This wasn't an 11 on 11 or even 7 on 7....it was a drill.

Fans overreact to this stuff all the time here.  We are going nuts for Allen competing passes in 1 on 1s.  

 

The whole point is it’s practice.  Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith basically were drunk all training camp and never practiced.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He has Andy Reid, he'll be fine. 

[ricojes]

On 8/5/2018 at 5:41 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

how many points do you get for that in a game?

 

Zero, it's called a sack...

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Fans overreact to this stuff all the time here.  We are going nuts for Allen competing passes in 1 on 1s.  

 

The whole point is it’s practice.  Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith basically were drunk all training camp and never practiced.

 

I understand that it's an overreaction...but why reply with an overreaction yourself?

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I understand that it's an overreaction...but why reply with an overreaction yourself?

To show how stupid it is!!!

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, ricojes said:

Zero, it's called a sack...

 

Only if he's touched down before he throws it. He's not in Lubbock any more.

Edited August 9, 2018 by reddogblitz

[BillsFan4]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000946671/article/mahomes-has-anticlimactic-debut-as-chiefs-starter

 

 

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Mahomes completed just five of seven passes for 33 yards on two possessions versus the Texans.

 

Sticking to short passes, Mahomes' first drive lasted just four plays before ending with a punt. He fared no better in his second chance, stepping into a sack and overthrowing tight end Travis Kelce in another possession that resulted in a punt.

 

[BullBuchanan]

On 8/1/2018 at 3:36 PM, oldmanfan said:

I have not understood how the same folks negative on Allen talk about how we missed on Mahomes, how Beane gets fired for not taking Mahomes, etc.   His flaws are similar to the ones talked about for Allen, primarily footwork.   At least Allen ran a more pro style offense.  Mahomes ran that shotgun single look spread - has a QB that played that offense in college done well in the pros?

 

I think most of us are upset about passing on Watson, who was pro-ready with every tool  you could want. Then he stormed into the NFL and was elite from Day 1, just like he was in college. Instead we passed to draft a major project from a bad conference that had a poor college career. That's why I was upset.

[GimmeSomeProcess]

9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I think most of us are upset about passing on Watson, who was pro-ready with every tool  you could want. Then he stormed into the NFL and was elite from Day 1, just like he was in college. Instead we passed to draft a major project from a bad conference that had a poor college career. That's why I was upset.

It was not a poor college career give me a break. 45 tds and 21 ints is bad?

[John from Riverside]

9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I think most of us are upset about passing on Watson, who was pro-ready with every tool  you could want. Then he stormed into the NFL and was elite from Day 1, just like he was in college. Instead we passed to draft a major project from a bad conference that had a poor college career. That's why I was upset.

Bull sometimes the NFL guys that run our team just know more then we do as fans.....

 

Sometimes

[Luka]

10 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I think most of us are upset about passing on Watson, who was pro-ready with every tool  you could want. Then he stormed into the NFL and was elite from Day 1, just like he was in college. Instead we passed to draft a major project from a bad conference that had a poor college career. That's why I was upset.

 

Watson is elite already?? Dude has played 4 games. Remember that time we drafted a guy that was on Sports Science with the quickest release ever? Endorsed by Hall of Fame coaches? He had a couple good games in his trash heap of a career.

 

Watson could be elite but you and everyone else need to pump the brakes just a little. I'll be more convinced when he plays a full season.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Luka said:

 

Watson is elite already?? Dude has played 4 games. Remember that time we drafted a guy that was on Sports Science with the quickest release ever? Endorsed by Hall of Fame coaches? He had a couple good games in his trash heap of a career.

 

Watson could be elite but you and everyone else need to pump the brakes just a little. I'll be more convinced when he plays a full season.

If you watched them, you'd know he played 7 games where he threw for 1700 rushed for 250, and had utterly insane games. He was the most dynamic QB in the league last year until he got hurt.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Luka said:

 

Watson is elite already?? Dude has played 4 games. Remember that time we drafted a guy that was on Sports Science with the quickest release ever? Endorsed by Hall of Fame coaches? He had a couple good games in his trash heap of a career.

 

Watson could be elite but you and everyone else need to pump the brakes just a little. I'll be more convinced when he plays a full season.

 

yeah - RGIII was pretty ridiculous in 2012 and everyone was talking about how dumb the rams were to trade him.

[Luka]

On 8/10/2018 at 1:05 PM, BullBuchanan said:

If you watched them, you'd know he played 7 games where he threw for 1700 rushed for 250, and had utterly insane games. He was the most dynamic QB in the league last year until he got hurt.

 

 4 games, 7 games. Still wasn't a whole season with defenses game planning against him. I've seen his story one too many times to immediately jump to conclusions.

 

23 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

yeah - RGIII was pretty ridiculous in 2012 and everyone was talking about how dumb the rams were to trade him.

 

Great example. Now he's battling for a backup spot after being out of football for a year.

[Augie]

On 8/10/2018 at 1:05 PM, BullBuchanan said:

If you watched them, you'd know he played 7 games where he threw for 1700 rushed for 250, and had utterly insane games. He was the most dynamic QB in the league last year until he got hurt.

 

RGIII looked like a superstar....briefly. I’m not saying Watson won’t be great, just that it’s still a little early to know for sure. You do have to like what he’s shown so far.

[Beast]

On 8/10/2018 at 1:05 PM, BullBuchanan said:

If you watched them, you'd know he played 7 games where he threw for 1700 rushed for 250, and had utterly insane games. He was the most dynamic QB in the league last year until he got hurt.

 

The most dynamic QB in the league until he got hurt.

 

That is one of the more over the top claims I have witnessed in quite some time.

[BillsFan17]

RGlll had 20 passing TDs and seven rushing TDs in 15 games.

 

Watson had 19 passing TDs and two rushing TDs in seven games (6 starts).

 

In essence Watson almost replicated RGlll's 15 game production in around a touch less than half the playing time.

 

There is no comparison.

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

RGIII looked like a superstar....briefly. I’m not saying Watson won’t be great, just that it’s still a little early to know for sure. You do have to like what he’s shown so far.

This is exactly how I feel about it. The one thing I will give Watson is he had a phenomenal game in the second NC to beat Saban and his Bama D. I hope Watson is good on the field, he is one of the good guys.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 8/10/2018 at 12:54 PM, Luka said:

 

Watson is elite already?? Dude has played 4 games. Remember that time we drafted a guy that was on Sports Science with the quickest release ever? Endorsed by Hall of Fame coaches? He had a couple good games in his trash heap of a career.

 

Watson could be elite but you and everyone else need to pump the brakes just a little. I'll be more convinced when he plays a full season.

 

Word. I wasn’t sold on Watson at all

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

This is exactly how I feel about it. The one thing I will give Watson is he had a phenomenal game in the second NC to beat Saban and his Bama D. I hope Watson is good on the field, he is one of the good guys.

 

 

...and he’s NOT in the AFCE.   

[atlbillsfan1975]

Just now, Augie said:

 

 

...and he’s NOT in the AFCE.   

True. Hey remember those great battles between Moon and Kelly ? 

[Trogdor]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Word. I wasn’t sold on Watson at all

 

He dominated defenses for 3 years in college and then for his 7 games in the NFL. I'm not sure how we didn't take him, but couldn't pass up a guy who was the third best QB in a weak conference. I feel like Watson gets a lot of hate on here for the simple reason that he isn't a Bill. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

True. Hey remember those great battles between Moon and Kelly ? 

 

I’m OK if we face Watson in the AFC Champioship game. That will take more than the 4 wins some are predicting. I want to see progress this year, and hope for results next year. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

7 games 

 

/thread