Mahomes Struggling in Camp

[Soda Popinski]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha.  This thread is hilarious.  Allen throws for 60 yards = GOAT.  Mahomes throws the ball in the air for more yards than Allen did in his game = JP Losman!!!

 

You also know Mahomes started a game his rookie year. JP did not. Mahomes threw for 284 in a road win.  Losman didn’t start until his 2nd year and was dreadful.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LosmJ.00/gamelog/2005/

 

its ok to really like Allen.  But this thread is so irrationally trying to hate Mahomes.  It’s kinda embarrassing. 

i'm not hating mahmoes and your overreaction is hilarious and embarrassing my man.  

 

I did not like Mahomes coming out of college, air raid QBs very seldom have success in the NFL it's not the easiest transition and it seldom works out.  This has absolutely zero to do with loving Allen so that's  a stretch of a statement right there.   

 

If it makes you feel better, if we're going to play the hindsite game, Watson would have been a MUCH MUCH MUCHHHHHH better draft pick than Mahomes and I think he'll have a better career.  

 

So breathe, and chill.   Too much triggering over nothing. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said:

i'm not hating mahmoes and your overreaction is hilarious and embarrassing my man.  

 

I did not like Mahomes coming out of college, air raid QBs very seldom have success in the NFL it's not the easiest transition and it seldom works out.  This has absolutely zero to do with loving Allen so that's  a stretch of a statement right there.   

 

If it makes you feel better, if we're going to play the hindsite game, Watson would have been a MUCH MUCH MUCHHHHHH better draft pick than Mahomes and I think he'll have a better career.  

 

So breathe, and chill.   Too much triggering over nothing. 

Haha, you’re right. Calling him JP Losman is super rational.  And I’m chilling by some water.  I’m super chill my man.  Just like pointing out silly things. ✌️

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha.  This thread is hilarious.  Allen throws for 60 yards = GOAT.  Mahomes throws the ball in the air for more yards than Allen did in his game = JP Losman!!!

 

You also know Mahomes started a game his rookie year. JP did not. Mahomes threw for 284 in a road win.  Losman didn’t start until his 2nd year and was dreadful.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LosmJ.00/gamelog/2005/

 

its ok to really like Allen.  But this thread is so irrationally trying to hate Mahomes.  It’s kinda embarrassing. 

 

Come on Bisquit.  Quite a bit of exaggeration here.

 

Mahomes had a great throw yes but is still not playing all that well.  He's still making bad decisions with the football.

Had a bad pick and then should have had another one.  He threw it at the chest of a Falcons DB, hit him in stride and just dropped it.

 

I honestly think Mahomes if he starts all 16 games is going to be near 20 INT's for the season.  

 

https://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/story/patrick-mahomes-iii-kansas-city-chiefs-28-14-win-atlanta-falcons-081718

 

 

[Soda Popinski]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, you’re right. Calling him JP Losman is super rational.  And I’m chilling by some water.  I’m super chill my man.  Just like pointing out silly things. ✌️

I am saying what I believe.   sorry that bothers you 

[Coach Tuesday]

I don't know whether Mahomes will be good or not but if I were a Chiefs fan I'd be concerned that over half of his yardage came from one throw - that doesn't seem sustainable to me.  I'd be even more concerned about how badly the defense is playing...

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Come on Bisquit.  Quite a bit of exaggeration here.

 

Mahomes had a great throw yes but is still not playing all that well.  He's still making bad decisions with the football.

Had a bad pick and then should have had another one.  He threw it at the chest of a Falcons DB, hit him in stride and just dropped it.

 

I honestly think Mahomes if he starts all 16 games is going to be near 20 INT's for the season.  

 

https://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/story/patrick-mahomes-iii-kansas-city-chiefs-28-14-win-atlanta-falcons-081718

 

 

I don’t know how any of their careers will turn out.  But so far, Allen has been like Trent and Tyrod, who people wanted to get rid off.  I know he just missed a couple of bombs but it has been a lot of safe throws, which is fine too.  

 

Personally, preseason is pretty stupid.  It’s stupid to draw any conclusions now.  But I will bet a lot of money that Mahomes will have a better career than JP Losman.

[Soda Popinski]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don't know whether Mahomes will be good or not but if I were a Chiefs fan I'd be concerned that over half of his yardage came from one throw - that doesn't seem sustainable to me.  I'd be even more concerned about how badly the defense is playing...

They got rid of a QB who got them to the playoffs what, every single year he was in KC???   If Mahomes doesn't start looking decent, Reid will lose his job over this one.  

[Jay_Fixit]

17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha.  This thread is hilarious.  Allen throws for 60 yards = GOAT.  Mahomes throws the ball in the air for more yards than Allen did in his game = JP Losman!!!

 

You also know Mahomes started a game his rookie year. JP did not. Mahomes threw for 284 in a road win.  Losman didn’t start until his 2nd year and was dreadful.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LosmJ.00/gamelog/2005/

 

its ok to really like Allen.  But this thread is so irrationally trying to hate Mahomes.  It’s kinda embarrassing. 

Against a Denver team that had nothing to play for in the final game of the season. Somewhere Rob Johnson is in a hot tub smiling.

 

As for his last preseason start, half of Mahomes yardage came on one long pass to Hill. Other than that he was kinda meh.

 

I’m happy to take the lead on disliking Mahomes. I disliked him in college, I disliked him before the draft and I wanted Buffalo to stay far away from him. I dislike him now and will probably dislike him 10 years from now.....

 

When he’s in the bullpen for some AA baseball team.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

I am saying what I believe.   sorry that bothers you 

Biscuit and Mahomes are in a weird one sided relationship.

[oldmanfan]

 I don't care about Mahomes and don't understand why he is the subject of a thread on a Bills website.

[C.Biscuit97]

8 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Against a Denver team that had nothing to play for in the final game of the season. Somewhere Rob Johnson is in a hot tub smiling.

 

As for his last preseason start, half of Mahomes yardage came on one long pass to Hill. Other than that he was kinda meh.

 

I’m happy to take the lead on disliking Mahomes. I disliked him in college, I disliked him before the draft and I wanted Buffalo to stay far away from him. I dislike him now and will probably dislike him 10 years from now.....

 

When he’s in the bullpen for some AA baseball team.

 

 

Biscuit and Mahomes are in a weird one sided relationship.

You hate Mahomes because he is living best life while you stay at the best western. 

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 I don't care about Mahomes and don't understand why he is the subject of a thread on a Bills website.

Because Allen will be linked with Watson, Rosen, and Mahomes.  

[Soda Popinski]

10 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Against a Denver team that had nothing to play for in the final game of the season. Somewhere Rob Johnson is in a hot tub smiling.

 

As for his last preseason start, half of Mahomes yardage came on one long pass to Hill. Other than that he was kinda meh.

 

I’m happy to take the lead on disliking Mahomes. I disliked him in college, I disliked him before the draft and I wanted Buffalo to stay far away from him. I dislike him now and will probably dislike him 10 years from now.....

 

When he’s in the bullpen for some AA baseball team.

 

 

Biscuit and Mahomes are in a weird one sided relationship.

Do we have a SaviorMahomes scenario going on here?  

[formerlyofCtown]

15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t know how any of their careers will turn out.  But so far, Allen has been like Trent and Tyrod, who people wanted to get rid off.  I know he just missed a couple of bombs but it has been a lot of safe throws, which is fine too.  

 

Personally, preseason is pretty stupid.  It’s stupid to draw any conclusions now.  But I will bet a lot of money that Mahomes will have a better career than JP Losman.

Have you actually watched any of the games.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don't know whether Mahomes will be good or not but if I were a Chiefs fan I'd be concerned that over half of his yardage came from one throw - that doesn't seem sustainable to me.  I'd be even more concerned about how badly the defense is playing...

 

History tells us Andy Reid will figure out how to make it work.   His track record while relying on a ton of mostly sub-franchise level QB's is impressive. 

 

If Mahomes isn't ready to dissect defenses he has Watkins and Tyreke Hill......that's enough deep ball power alone to create space for a strong running game and ease Mahomes into a more complex passing game.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Soda Popinski said:

Do we have a SaviorMahomes scenario going on here?  

Oh no.  The Mahomes sucks gang is teaming up on me!  ?

 

yup, no one gets excited if Allen hit that bomb.  We would be talking about how the wr slowed down to catch it.  I hate and love the preseason.  

[Soda Popinski]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Oh no.  The Mahomes sucks gang is teaming up on me!  ?

 

yup, no one gets excited if Allen hit that bomb.  We would be talking about how the wr slowed down to catch it.  I hate and love the preseason.  

Allen hasn't hit one of those bombs and people are excited anyway.   But again, as I previously stated and am now reiterating, I felt this way about Mahomes before he was drafted by anyone.   It has nothing to do with Allen.   I think it has more to do with Reid going all in on Mahomes and the repercussions jettisoning Alex Smith, a proven winner present. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Have you actually watched any of the games.

I loved watching Jim Kelly’s preseason games.  Oh wait, I didn’t because they didn’t matter. 

 

Mahomes/ Allen could threw 8 tds or 8 ints next game and it still doesn’t matter.  EJ Manuel had a perfect passing rating in game 3 of the preseason against the Steelers.  It doesn’t matter. 

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2018&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t know how any of their careers will turn out.  But so far, Allen has been like Trent and Tyrod, who people wanted to get rid off.  I know he just missed a couple of bombs but it has been a lot of safe throws, which is fine too.  

 

Personally, preseason is pretty stupid.  It’s stupid to draw any conclusions now.  But I will bet a lot of money that Mahomes will have a better career than JP Losman.

 

You understand that we are running Daboll’s offensive system in which we are running a similar philosophy as New England.  It’s a lot of short stuff and then taking a deep shot when it’s there.  

 

Edwards and Tyrod threw to running backs a lot which I don’t see Allen doing.  

 

It doesn’t take much to be better than Losman but the way they play is similar.

 

Not good in the pocket, scrambles outside the pocket when feeling pressure and fantom pressure, throws the ball deep a lot with limited consistency everything underneath.

 

Do you think McDermott is stupid because he’s using preseason to evaluate the QB, Center and WR battles?

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said:

Allen hasn't hit one of those bombs and people are excited anyway.   But again, as I previously stated and am now reiterating, I felt this way about Mahomes before he was drafted by anyone.   It has nothing to do with Allen.   I think it has more to do with Reid going all in on Mahomes and the repercussions jettisoning Alex Smith, a proven winner present. 

That’s fine.  I personally trust Reid’s judgment on qbs.  He obviously could be wrong.  But trying to crap on a pass that went 60+ yards in the air for a td is just thirsty to be a hater.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You hate Mahomes because he is living best life while you stay at the best western. 

 

Wouldnt this apply to every single millionaire professional athlete?

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You understand that we are running Daboll’s offensive system in which we are running a similar philosophy as New England.  It’s a lot of short stuff and then taking a deep shot when it’s there.  

 

Edwards and Tyrod threw to running backs a lot which I don’t see Allen doing.  

 

It doesn’t take much to be better than Losman but the way they play is similar.

 

Not good in the pocket, scrambles outside the pocket when feeling pressure and fantom pressure, throws the ball deep a lot with limited consistency everything underneath.

 

Do you think McDermott is stupid because he’s using preseason to evaluate the QB, Center and WR battles?

It’s the preseason. Teams don’t game play.  They play really simple coverages to see the physical abilities of players they are trying to evaluate.

 

and Allen has been fine.  But it’s stuff we’ve seen in past with plenty of Bills qbs who never turned into anything special.  Allen should start game 3.  But it becomes a completely different game when the regular season starts.  I guess it just show he is not overwhelmed yet which is good.

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Wouldnt this apply to every single millionaire professional athlete?

1) I never hate any athlete unless they are scum bag. 

 

2) I enjoy Marriotts

[Soda Popinski]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s fine.  I personally trust Reid’s judgment on qbs.  He obviously could be wrong.  But trying to crap on a pass that went 60+ yards in the air for a td is just thirsty to be a hater.

He made Kolb a bunch of unearned money! 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s the preseason. Teams don’t game play.  They play really simple coverages to see the physical abilities of players they are trying to evaluate.

 

and Allen has been fine.  But it’s stuff we’ve seen in past with plenty of Bills qbs who never turned into anything special.  Allen should start game 3.  But it becomes a completely different game when the regular season starts.  I guess it just show he is not overwhelmed yet which is good.

1) I never hate any athlete unless they are scum bag. 

 

2) I enjoy Marriotts

 

I know it’s different from the regular season.

McDermott is still using the preseason the evaluate a lot of positions like every team in the NFL does.  Are they all doing it wrong since preseason is stupid?

[C.Biscuit97]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I know it’s different from the regular season.

McDermott is still using the preseason the evaluate a lot of positions like every team in the NFL does.  Are they all doing it wrong since preseason is stupid?

Of course not.  It’s the only thing you have.  But:

 

1) analyzing every practice throw is stupid.  

 

2) trying to dog a guy for ball that travelled 60 yards in the air for a touchdown is stupid

 

3) 4 preseason games is stupid.  That Lions-Bills annual poopfest needs to go.  

 

Mahomes is the Chiefs starter for this season.  Allen might be the Bills starter.  No one is going to care how they performed in the preseason once the real season starts.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Of course not.  It’s the only thing you have.  But:

 

1) analyzing every practice throw is stupid.  

 

2) trying to dog a guy for ball that travelled 60 yards in the air for a touchdown is stupid

 

3) 4 preseason games is stupid.  That Lions-Bills annual poopfest needs to go.  

 

Mahomes is the Chiefs starter for this season.  Allen might be the Bills starter.  No one is going to care how they performed in the preseason once the real season starts.  

 

The last few replies were me just being argumentative towards and messing with you you since it's a Monday and there are really no practice reports...

 

[oldmanfan]

32 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You hate Mahomes because he is living best life while you stay at the best western. 

Because Allen will be linked with Watson, Rosen, and Mahomes.  

Only because you want to link them

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The last few replies were me just being argumentative towards and messing with you you since it's a Monday and there are really no practice reports...

 

Yeah man, of course.  No hard feelings at all.  Personally, I want all qbs to be good.  The nfl is much better with more good qb play.

 

being honest, of the qbs the Bills could have drafted in the last 2 years, I would have ranked them Rosen, Watson, and Mahomes slightly ahead of Allen. I do think Reid is a great qb coach and trust his opinion on things more than a lot of coaches.  I will be ecstatic if Allen turns out to be the best of the bunch and will be glad to say how wrong I am.  

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Only because you want to link them

Huh?  The Bills could have drafted any of those qbs.  So yeah, if some or all of those guys have better careers than Allen, it will be a problem.  If Allen turns out to be the best, then who cares.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah man, of course.  No hard feelings at all.  Personally, I want all qbs to be good.  The nfl is much better with more good qb play.

 

being honest, of the qbs the Bills could have drafted in the last 2 years, I would have ranked them Rosen, Watson, and Mahomes slightly ahead of Allen. I do think Reid is a great qb coach and trust his opinion on things more than a lot of coaches.  I will be ecstatic if Allen turns out to be the best of the bunch and will be glad to say how wrong I am.  

Huh?  The Bills could have drafted any of those qbs.  So yeah, if some or all of those guys have better careers than Allen, it will be a problem.  If Allen turns out to be the best, then who cares.

 

Drafting Allen ruined my night.  I didn't want him at all....but I kept an open mind on him.

He's been much better at this point than I thought.  I never liked Mahomes and that's who I had Allen on par with.  I wanted Rosen when the Bills announced the trade.

 

Now, I want Allen to start.  I see what McBeane saw.

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Drafting Allen ruined my night.  I didn't want him at all....but I kept an open mind on him.

He's been much better at this point than I thought.  I never liked Mahomes and that's who I had Allen on par with.  I wanted Rosen when the Bills announced the trade.

 

Now, I want Allen to start.  I see what McBeane saw.

Still not completely there on Allen (I mean he’s our qb so I’m rooting for him) but I’ve seen similar preseasons with other Bills qb.  But Allen definitely needs to start game 3 and if he is the better qb, he needs to start.  Honestly, since AJ is out, Allen probably deserves rock start unless Peterman is far and away the better qb.

[oldmanfan]

18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah man, of course.  No hard feelings at all.  Personally, I want all qbs to be good.  The nfl is much better with more good qb play.

 

being honest, of the qbs the Bills could have drafted in the last 2 years, I would have ranked them Rosen, Watson, and Mahomes slightly ahead of Allen. I do think Reid is a great qb coach and trust his opinion on things more than a lot of coaches.  I will be ecstatic if Allen turns out to be the best of the bunch and will be glad to say how wrong I am.  

Huh?  The Bills could have drafted any of those qbs.  So yeah, if some or all of those guys have better careers than Allen, it will be a problem.  If Allen turns out to be the best, then who cares.

As I said only if you want to compare them.  In 83 we could have had Elway or Marino but no one back them compared every single throw each made.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

As I said only if you want to compare them.  In 83 we could have had Elway or Marino but no one back them compared every single throw each made.

We win SBs with Elway or Marino IMO.  But that’s comparing 10s and 9s with an 8.  These guys might be 7s and 5s, so yeah, it matters.

Edited August 20, 2018 by C.Biscuit97

[Jay_Fixit]

56 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You hate Mahomes because he is living best life while you stay at the best western. 

Because Allen will be linked with Watson, Rosen, and Mahomes.  

I’ve stayed at some quality Best Western’s.

 

The one in Kelowna, British Columbia stands out. Great pool, great location, a Denny’s on site.

 

Plus you’re never far from a good 8-ball and some evening entertainment.

[Richard Noggin]

4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I’ve stayed at some quality Best Western’s.

 

The one in Kelowna, British Columbia stands out. Great pool, great location, a Denny’s on site.

 

Plus you’re never far from a good 8-ball and some evening entertainment.

You sold me.

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I’ve stayed at some quality Best Western’s.

 

The one in Kelowna, British Columbia stands out. Great pool, great location, a Denny’s on site.

 

Plus you’re never far from a good 8-ball and some evening entertainment.

You’re right.  I was too harsh on Best Westerners.  More Red Roof like. 

[teef]

25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Drafting Allen ruined my night.  I didn't want him at all....but I kept an open mind on him.

He's been much better at this point than I thought.  I never liked Mahomes and that's who I had Allen on par with.  I wanted Rosen when the Bills announced the trade.

 

Now, I want Allen to start.  I see what McBeane saw.

this is exactly where i'm at with it.  i've been pleasantly surprised.  

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, teef said:

this is exactly where i'm at with it.  i've been pleasantly surprised.  

 

[Gugny]

27 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Drafting Allen ruined my night.  I didn't want him at all....but I kept an open mind on him.

He's been much better at this point than I thought.  I never liked Mahomes and that's who I had Allen on par with.  I wanted Rosen when the Bills announced the trade.

 

Now, I want Allen to start.  I see what McBeane saw.

 

1 minute ago, teef said:

this is exactly where i'm at with it.  i've been pleasantly surprised.  

 

 

I was very happy with the Allen pick, but I didn't expect him to be ready to start until next year (which I was fine with).  I am pleasantly surprised with how much better he looks than the other two. 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We win SBs with Elway or Marino IMO.  But that’s comparing 10s and 9s with an 8.  These guys might be 7s and 5s, so yeah, it matters.

Yeah, it doesn't

[teef]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

 

 

I was very happy with the Allen pick, but I didn't expect him to be ready to start until next year (which I was fine with).  I am pleasantly surprised with how much better he looks than the other two. 

at the moment, i was pretty bent out of shape by the pick.  

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, teef said: