The Red King Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 You need to look at the intangibles. For example, Brady would crap himself if the Bills signed Mack. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It was end of 2012 season when Gailey was getting fired... many assumed it was Gruden or Cowher about to be hired. But it was Marrone. "That really took the sail out of our winds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: "That really took the sail out of our winds." Hi, Hank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 On 8/20/2018 at 5:31 PM, 3rdand12 said: Do not see Beanes method allowing big spending. especially after having to dump Dareus and all that darned dead money.... Beane's method got rid of high status players, with injury histories or a perceived lack of buy in; players he did not draft nor sign. Beane is aggressive. And we will see him spend $, but it will be on his guy: drafted, traded for or chosen as targets in Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I love Mack...but: I just cant see Beane what it would take for us trading for him, not to mention, I am not convinced he's even obtainable from the Raiders yet. I also don't think we should trade for him. Right now, our defensive front 7 has both quality vets and some exciting rookies. Our OL is a total mess and we have a lot of other offensive question marks, so I do not feel we can afford to move out a lot of quality draft picks right now we are going to need to build around Josh. Don't get me wrong, Mack would be a great addition, but I think we will be a stronger team if we invest draft pick assets and cap space in FA into our OL and some other weapons for Josh. Like anyone, I would be excited if a Mack trade happened, but at the same time I still think we should stand pat and see how the D does with all the veteran and rookie additions we added (Vontae, Star, Edmunsds, and Phillips) and look to invest heavy in the offense next year in both FA and the Draft. You can get Mack and still invest draft capital and cap space to the offense. The Bills are not cap strapped in 2019. I think folks are overthinking the theoretical possibility of Mack. If it were possible you do it. Mack plays an impact position, has a long history of high-end production, and will just be hitting his prime years when an extension kicks in. I'm not saying get him at all costs, but I don't think it would take all costs. The longer he stays away the worse it is for the Raiders; on field and off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 hours ago, purple haze said: Beane's method got rid of high status players, with injury histories or a perceived lack of buy in; players he did not draft nor sign. Beane is aggressive. And we will see him spend $, but it will be on his guy: drafted, traded for or chosen as targets in Free Agency. This would be easily his biggest foray into the market since a Bill though. Unprecedented big : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: This would be easily his biggest foray into the market since a Bill though. Unprecedented big : ) True, but we could say that about 99% of NFL GMs because trades of this magnitude are rare. Out of all the GMs currently in the league, how many have made the number of trades Beane has in the same short time period? Beane will wheel and deal at his price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 You don't go out and make this kind of move without knowing your team is already very good. This type of move is 2-3 years away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: You don't go out and make this kind of move without knowing your team is already very good. This type of move is 2-3 years away Why? If you have the resources and the cap room to make it happen why do you wait 2 to 3 years to get a difference maker? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You don't go out and make this kind of move without knowing your team is already very good. This type of move is 2-3 years away why wait? You try to get as good as you can as quickly as you can.... 22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why? If you have the resources and the cap room to make it happen why do you wait 2 to 3 years to get a difference maker? I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 15 hours ago, whatdrought said: Not that I think a trade is likely, but out of curiosity, when would this kind of trade make sense? Would you want to do it after the 3rd preseason game? For the buying team, obviously you want him sooner than later, but also realize that his value drops each day he doesn’t sign. For the selling team, you want to hold off long enough to make sure you can’t sign him, but not so long that you loose his value. Also, you want to not make it obvious that you’re pushover for the next guy up. All of your points make sense but the situation is fluid in real time. Both sides have been waiting for the other to blink and weeks have turned to months. It seems like Mack is adamant (so far) in what he wants. What we fans are in the dark about is whether or not there are any talks about trades yet. Every week that goes by with Mack willing to sit puts more and more pressure on OAK to "settle it" one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Why? If you have the resources and the cap room to make it happen why do you wait 2 to 3 years to get a difference maker? Because Mario Williams and Suh is why. You burn dollars and the prime years on expensive FAs when you aren't ready to go all the way By the time the team is ready to complete, there are likely better and younger FAs available you can't target because you have old expensive vets Look at the eagles, Patriots, etc. There will be guys available when we make a strong push and Mack and Donald will be on the decline. We should be trying to stack our team with Micah Hyde's next year. Edited August 22, 2018 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1032372577845399552 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: Because Mario Williams and Suh is why. You burn dollars and the prime years on expensive FAs when you aren't ready to go all the way By the time the team is ready to complete, there are likely better and younger FAs available you can't target because you have old expensive vets Look at the eagles, Patriots, etc. There will be guys available when we make a strong push and Mack and Donald will be on the decline. We should be trying to stack our team with Micah Hyde's next year. ....just opinion, but I think that is more the "McBeane Way" versus draft capital and mega bucks.........Mack/Donald will be WELL north of Von Miller $$$.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Jets snake us moving up in the draft and now they are going to steal Mack out of our backyard!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Keep him out of the AFC East! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: You don't go out and make this kind of move without knowing your team is already very good. This type of move is 2-3 years away Difference makers are that makes the team good. 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Why? If you have the resources and the cap room to make it happen why do you wait 2 to 3 years to get a difference maker? Exactly. 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Keep him out of the AFC East! No Bring him to the AFC East as a bill!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Difference makers are that makes the team good. Exactly. No Bring him to the AFC East as a bill!! Maybe Beane has put a call in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Maybe Beane has put a call in. ...called COLLECT so he could fatten the offer............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Did we trade for Mack yet??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I’m convinced Mack will be a Bills. !@#$ it, I’m making the rosters change in Madden tonight. Mack will wear #46. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I’m convinced Mack will be a Bills. !@#$ it, I’m making the rosters change in Madden tonight. Mack will wear #46. Please get this man the power to trade irl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Manish MehtaVerified account @MMehtaNYDN BREAKING: #Jets reach out to Raiders to express interest in trading for disgruntled All-Pro Khalil Mack, per sources. NYJ is going big-game hunting. Story: http://buff.ly/2MIbYi7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 old news the fan reported this a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Gruden's not happy. Pull the trigger Beane. Milano is probably not going to cut it and Lorax might be on his last season? Besides oline our 2nd weakest unit are the LB's.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Can’t let the Jets beat us before the regular season twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Jamie Nails said: Jets snake us moving up in the draft and now they are going to steal Mack out of our backyard!? Jerry Hughes plus a 2020 first rounder would be it, add about 8-9 mill to Jerry's salary and that brings you to about 18-20 mill a season 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Gruden's not happy. Pull the trigger Beane. Milano is probably not going to cut it and Lorax might be on his last season? Besides oline our 2nd weakest unit are the LB's.... Fact is we had one of worst pass rushes in the NFL, getting to QB is must in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I would think Beane is at least asking the wuestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 5:58 PM, donbb said: This? lol What is this? It just shows a blue line to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 In Jay Skurski's mailbag over the weekend, he thought it would take 2 firsts and a player in their first contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, bbb said: In Jay Skurski's mailbag over the weekend, he thought it would take 2 firsts and a player in their first contract. No team will pay that. None. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 If the Raiders don't trade him to Buffalo, I hope they deal with an NFC team. I wouldn't want to face him more than once every few years if I were the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, bbb said: In Jay Skurski's mailbag over the weekend, he thought it would take 2 firsts and a player in their first contract. No way does that happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I’m convinced Mack will be a Bills. !@#$ it, I’m making the rosters change in Madden tonight. Mack will wear #46. I hate front 7 players wearing #'s in the 40's... Ugh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 On to you if the aforementioned rebuild, The bills don't have a very realistic way to afford him on his current deal, a deal he's holding out of. I think the chances of us landing him are approaching zero. You'll have to overpay on the trade and the contract. Neither of which were you in a position to do on a team with holes everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Do the Jets even have draft capital to trade? Didn't they trade away their future to move up to #3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 hours ago, wppete said: Did we trade for Mack yet??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: I hate front 7 players wearing #'s in the 40's... Ugh. Yep it’s terrible. Edmunds in 49 is going to be tough to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Yep it’s terrible. Edmunds in 49 is going to be tough to look at. He woulda looked so good in 59. Just a waste. Grow up watching it one way and then they change it. It’s about as bad as recieveres completely abandoning the 80’s. I don’t mind teen # for WR, but why do none of them wear high numbers anymore? Edited August 23, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 hours ago, mannc said: No team will pay that. None. 4 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: No way does that happen. I actually thought the same thing, and thought I definitely DON'T want the Bills doing that...............But, I also keep seeing Hughes name being thrown in and I don't think he's going to move the needle for the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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