Jarvis Landry says Tyrod Taylor looks "amazing"

[H2o]

It's all just practice until September. Tyrod is the same Tyrod no matter what uniform he wears. Once the real games start you will see a similar performance, with similar numbers, and with the same limitations. Good guy, good teammate, great athlete, and a higher end of the lower third of QB's in this league. He will never be a QB who carries a team with his arm. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 minutes ago, H2o said:

It's all just practice until September. Tyrod is the same Tyrod no matter what uniform he wears. Once the real games start you will see a similar performance, with similar numbers, and with the same limitations. Good guy, good teammate, great athlete, and a higher end of the lower third of QB's in this league. He will never be a QB who carries a team with his arm. 

 

...a very fair and valid assessment....."live ammo" is the true test..........another world......

[Fr. Jerk]

Jarvis is a funny name.

[Fadingpain]

If Jarvis loves Tyrod now, wait until Tyrod does his frozen deer caught in the headlights routine during a real game! 

 

He'll absolutely adore him then.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If Nick Chubb is as good as advertised and they use Tyrod's mobility to scare defenses, their rush offense should be very good. Very unlikely it's as good as ours was in 2016 though, so to have a top 10 scoring offense Tyrod will have to play better than he ever has. There are a lot of wildcards in the Browns offense this year. Will Haley design a winning offense in his first year there? Will Chubb be as explosive as he was before his knee injury? Will Gordon keep his head on straight for a full year? Can their O-line hold up? Can Tyrod bounce back after the worst season of his career? It's almost an entirely different offense from last year so it's hard to predict.

 

Haley is the real wild card IMO.  For those who don't recall, Haley is the guy who fired Chan Gailey right before the season for wanting to install a spread-type offense QBs like Thigpen and Cassel could actually run, took over as OC/HC himself, and finished 4-12.  The next year, Weis joined him as OC and they had some success.  Following year, changed OC again and not so much,   Prior to KC, in AZ, Haley had good success - with Kurt Warner as his QB.  After KC, Haley had good success as OC in Pittsburgh - with Ben Roethlisburger as his QB, until he wore out his welcome by reportedly, not being able to get along with Roethlisberger to the point where the QB coach had to function as the go-between.  In addition to any friction, Le'Veon Bell pointed to play calling on 3rd down and in the red zone, and said Haley would call plays Roeth "didn't like" in those situations (which begs the question why Roeth "didn't like" them - because he felt the O wasn't able to execute them effectively?  because he felt they didn't exploit what the D was giving them?  because he thought the play had a girly name?)

 

Bottom line, Haley has successfully designed an offense to make a good or great QB better, but he lacks a positive track record working with a mediocre or limited QB.  And even in Pittsburgh with Big Ben, it took Haley 3 years to go from #21 to top-10.

 

 

[Sky Diver]

It’s better to look good than to feel good.

Edited July 7, 2018 by Sky Diver

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

Does that even matter if the targets aren't thrown at in the first place?

 

Chicken or egg. Again, we'll see what happens with the Browns.

[billsfan89]

5 hours ago, snamsnoops said:

TDs win games.  Not yards or receptions. We will not miss tyrod. 

 

My point overall was that looking at the numbers neither Sammy nor Woods were dramatically better in 2017 than they were in 2018. These weren't stud receivers in 2017 who sucked in 2016. Goodwin was the only receiver that flourished in 2017 that didn't have a good year in 2016 and considering that Goodwin was hurt in 2016 that might explain that somewhat.  

[B Fan in LA]

 

I've gotta say Tyrod has done very well for himself with his limited skill set.

He's about to start his 4th season as a starting QB in the NFL, and he's being paid real money.

Whether or not he can quickly read a defense, or throw a ball which compliments a WR's movement.

 

He keeps his comments short and clean, looks good, and keeps the

message board moving on slow days..............

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Sorry but when I keep reading the title, I keep seeing an image of Tyrod in those snazzy suits and thinking "man, I don't give an F how he LOOKS when he's all dressed up"

[87168]

5 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

 

This is what’s wrong with you millennials 

 

All excuses, all fake news, no accountability. 

 

 

 

 

haha projection is a real talent, huh?

 

4 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

If Jarvis loves Tyrod now, wait until Tyrod does his frozen deer caught in the headlights routine during a real game! 

 

He'll absolutely adore him then.

 

 

we'll see. funny. the amount of people rooting for him to fail. you'd think he was a terrible person/athlete that disgraced the Bills uniform.

 

...but some people live for "I told you so" moments. it's all they have.

 

TT will be a better Brown than a Bill, and rightfully so.

Edited July 8, 2018 by 87168

[Teddy KGB]

8 minutes ago, 87168 said:

TT will be a better Brown than a Bill, and rightfully so.

 

What a dumb thing to say.      

 

Google 2018 NFL #1 draft pick for starters.  

 

Rightfully so ?    Enjoy your new franchise traitor, take the other Tystans with you to twodawgpound.com 

 

 

 

 

 

[Golden Goat]

8 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Let's see what Tyrod looks like without McCoy.

 

Hyde is good and all but no Shady.

 

I think Duke Johnson will become the Browns' go-to RB this year. He showed flashes last year, especially in the passing game. He just needs to protect the ball better.

[Putin]

6 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

 

This is what’s wrong with you millennials 

 

All excuses, all fake news, no accountability. 

 

 

 

 

I couldn’t agree more comrade ?

[White Linen]

If he starts every game,  He'll throw for under 200 yards 6-8 times based on their schedule.

[KD in CA]

WR who always has something to say talks up his QB in preseason.  Details at 11.   

 

I wonder what Landry will say after the first few times he's open downfield and Taylor doesn't pull the trigger.

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Putin said:

I couldn’t agree more comrade ?

You should realize that put in historical context, the troll's post that you're agreeing with actually supports Promo's assertion.

[CSBill]

By the way, TT is a very good middle round Fantasy QB pick. He always has good numbers because of his running yards and good TD/Interception ratio. He may not led his real team to the Super Bowl, but he has lead my FF team to two League Championships.

[dollars 2 donuts]

On July 6, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Rubes said:

I wish Tyrod the best, I really do. If he somehow lights it up and leads them deep into the playoffs, that's awesome for him. And I wouldn't hold it against the Bills brass for dealing him away, as most of us here wouldn't. I just think TT reached his ceiling here in Buffalo. Could his ceiling be higher elsewhere? Sure, it's possible. Just not likely.

 

 

Well said, Rubes.

 

He has some great skills and some great intangibles.  I also think, given the additional talent that team now has, he will lead them to anywhere from 5-11 to 7-9.

 

Man, it was just time here to move on from him and his limitations.

 

Regardless of how long he continues to be a starter, that is a man who is/should likely remain a QB in this league until he is 35 or so.  He brings something to the table that would help a number of teams in some capacity.

Edited July 8, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[atlbillsfan1975]

I wish Tyrod the best.

 

when has Tyrod not looked good in practice? 

[Scorp83]

On 7/6/2018 at 7:19 PM, Rubes said:

I wish Tyrod the best, I really do. If he somehow lights it up and leads them deep into the playoffs, that's awesome for him. And I wouldn't hold it against the Bills brass for dealing him away, as most of us here wouldn't. I just think TT reached his ceiling here in Buffalo. Could his ceiling be higher elsewhere? Sure, it's possible. Just not likely.

 

I sort of disagree with this. I've always felt Tyrod had more ceiling left to reach. I feel like the front office was more done with him then he ceiling was... Rex & Whaley just seemed to be on 2 different pages... after his 1st season where was the weapons that can really help him? He lost Woods & Hogan, no replacement, he kept losing Sammy & the front office had no answers for injuries...no backup plan...nothing. 

 

Its was like, "Tyrod your top 3 WR's are toast...but we got you Deonte Thompson & Holmes...throw it to them. Oh & Nick O'Leary cause we don't know what to do when Clay goes down..."

[Rubes]

55 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

I sort of disagree with this. I've always felt Tyrod had more ceiling left to reach. I feel like the front office was more done with him then he ceiling was... Rex & Whaley just seemed to be on 2 different pages... after his 1st season where was the weapons that can really help him? He lost Woods & Hogan, no replacement, he kept losing Sammy & the front office had no answers for injuries...no backup plan...nothing. 

 

Its was like, "Tyrod your top 3 WR's are toast...but we got you Deonte Thompson & Holmes...throw it to them. Oh & Nick O'Leary cause we don't know what to do when Clay goes down..."

 

I think that's a reasonable argument, to be honest. But here's the thing: I've always felt that your quarterback should have the kind of talent to make the players around him better, not that your quarterback needs talented players around him to make him better. (That's an exaggeration, of course: all players are made better by having talented players around them, but you want the balance for your QB to be the former, not the latter.)

 

TT has outstanding talent as an athlete, and brings a lot to the table -- the problem is that most of what he brings to the table is not as a QB. His QB talents are mostly average. If he was just a bit better at being a QB, he'd be a heck of a player.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Rubes said:

 

I think that's a reasonable argument, to be honest. But here's the thing: I've always felt that your quarterback should have the kind of talent to make the players around him better, not that your quarterback needs talented players around him to make him better. (That's an exaggeration, of course: all players are made better by having talented players around them, but you want the balance for your QB to be the former, not the latter.)

 

TT has outstanding talent as an athlete, and brings a lot to the table -- the problem is that most of what he brings to the table is not as a QB. His QB talents are mostly average. If he was just a bit better at being a QB, he'd be a heck of a player.

 

 

...agree....his mobility factor has helped to carry him this far.......maybe Hugh can fix it, but just don't see where a consistently threatening passing game, particularly downfield is in the cards......still think his inherent weakness is the allotted "five seconds or less" to process the entire field......live ammo and facing the five second clock is a whole different world than looking amazing......in practice....

[Big Gun]

16 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

My point overall was that looking at the numbers neither Sammy nor Woods were dramatically better in 2017 than they were in 2018. These weren't stud receivers in 2017 who sucked in 2016. Goodwin was the only receiver that flourished in 2017 that didn't have a good year in 2016 and considering that Goodwin was hurt in 2016 that might explain that somewhat.  

You have know idea what you are talking about with Woods. 

He had one less game played in 2017 and his numbers across the board were better than in 2016. 

New system for him last year also and I expect even better numbers in his second year in LA.

 

Receiving & Rushing

					Games		Receiving									Rushing
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					69	59	430	259	3232	12.5	17	94	3.8	46.8		6	34	0	13	5.7	0.5	0.1	3266	17	4	28
4 yrs		BUF			57	48	345	203	2451	12.1	12	57	3.6	43.0		4	22	0	13	5.5	0.4	0.1	2473	12	3	20
1 yr		LAR			12	11	85	56	781	13.9	5	94	4.7	65.1		2	12	0	8	6.0	1.0	0.2	793	5	1	8
2013	21	BUF	WR	10	14	14	85	40	587	14.7	3	57	2.9	41.9	47.1%	2	16	0	13	8.0	1.1	0.1	603	3	0	4
2014	22	BUF	WR	10	16	15	104	65	699	10.8	5	37	4.1	43.7	62.5%								699	5	1	5
2015	23	BUF	WR	10	14	9	80	47	552	11.7	3	37	3.4	39.4	58.8%	1	0	0	0	0.0	0.0	0.1	552	3	2	5
2016	24	BUF	WR	10	13	10	76	51	613	12.0	1	34	3.9	47.2	67.1%	1	6	0	6	6.0	0.5	0.1	619	1	0	6
2017	25	LAR	WR	17	12	11	85	56	781	13.9	5	94	4.7	65.1	65.9%	2	12	0	8	6.0	1.0	0.2	793	5	1	8

[fansince88]

Unloading Tyrod got us Allen. I dont care.

[fansince88]

6 hours ago, PeterGriffin said:

You have know idea what you are talking about with Woods. 

He had one less game played in 2017 and his numbers across the board were better than in 2016. 

New system for him last year also and I expect even better numbers in his second year in LA.

 

Receiving & Rushing

					Games		Receiving									Rushing
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					69	59	430	259	3232	12.5	17	94	3.8	46.8		6	34	0	13	5.7	0.5	0.1	3266	17	4	28
4 yrs		BUF			57	48	345	203	2451	12.1	12	57	3.6	43.0		4	22	0	13	5.5	0.4	0.1	2473	12	3	20
1 yr		LAR			12	11	85	56	781	13.9	5	94	4.7	65.1		2	12	0	8	6.0	1.0	0.2	793	5	1	8
2013	21	BUF	WR	10	14	14	85	40	587	14.7	3	57	2.9	41.9	47.1%	2	16	0	13	8.0	1.1	0.1	603	3	0	4
2014	22	BUF	WR	10	16	15	104	65	699	10.8	5	37	4.1	43.7	62.5%								699	5	1	5
2015	23	BUF	WR	10	14	9	80	47	552	11.7	3	37	3.4	39.4	58.8%	1	0	0	0	0.0	0.0	0.1	552	3	2	5
2016	24	BUF	WR	10	13	10	76	51	613	12.0	1	34	3.9	47.2	67.1%	1	6	0	6	6.0	0.5	0.1	619	1	0	6
2017	25	LAR	WR	17	12	11	85	56	781	13.9	5	94	4.7	65.1	65.9%	2	12	0	8	6.0	1.0	0.2	793	5	1	8

Is it just me or did those stats on the bottom look like fish?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

I sort of disagree with this. I've always felt Tyrod had more ceiling left to reach. I feel like the front office was more done with him then he ceiling was... Rex & Whaley just seemed to be on 2 different pages... after his 1st season where was the weapons that can really help him? He lost Woods & Hogan, no replacement, he kept losing Sammy & the front office had no answers for injuries...no backup plan...nothing. 

 

Its was like, "Tyrod your top 3 WR's are toast...but we got you Deonte Thompson & Holmes...throw it to them. Oh & Nick O'Leary cause we don't know what to do when Clay goes down..."

 

I don't see what you're saying and Rubes as fundamentally incompatible - he mentioned "his ceiling in Buffalo", which to me includes the scheme adjustments the coaches were willing to make for him, the investment the FO was willing to make on WR that Tyrod could work with comfortably, and so forth.   A blind man's seeing eye dog could discern that Tyrod is simply not comfortable throwing into tight windows, and Thompson and Holmes and Matthews simply weren't getting the kind of separation he'll work with - plus there was no one left like Goodwin who could run under his long bombs.

 

I think both can be right.  With what the coaches and FO were willing (or not willing) to do, Tyrod was plateaued B'lo, AND he may show that he still has more ceiling to reach in Cleveland.

[transplantbillsfan]

On 7/7/2018 at 5:31 AM, HappyDays said:

One thing I've heard out of Browns media reports is that Tyrod has been trusting Josh Gordon, and throws him the ball even when he's covered. IF that carries over to the regular season the Browns will have a very good offense this year. Potentially top 10 in scoring although that will also depend on their run game which is hard to predict right now. The other thing I've heard is that they are using Tyrod's mobility in their offense which Dennison somehow never figured out. If I had to bet on it I'd say their scoring offense will rank between 15th and 10th. And ours will rank between 23rd to 18th. JMO

 

One thing objective Bills fans should have learned is that when Taylor develops trust in an Elite talent at WR, he's going to throw him the ball even if he's covered.

 

That was what developed with Sammy... problem was Sammy couldn't stay on the field.

 

Now he has both Gordon and Landry. 

 

Trading Tyrod wad a good move for us because it was clear we weren't going to build around him, but luckily for Taylor, it looks like he was traded to a team that's built for him.

 

I see the same haters are at it in this thread.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I want to hear what Landry has to say when he has 4 catches for 47 yard after week 3 and they are 0-3.

[BuffaloHokie13]

15 hours ago, fansince88 said:

Unloading Tyrod got us Allen. I dont care.

Nah, it got us Edmunds.

[Fadingpain]

15 hours ago, fansince88 said:

Unloading Tyrod got us Allen. I dont care.

You state this as if to suggest Allen is a known commodity of high quality.

 

He isn't, and may well prove to be worse than Tyrod.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

One thing objective Bills fans should have learned is that when Taylor develops trust in an Elite talent at WR, he's going to throw him the ball even if he's covered.

 

That was what developed with Sammy... problem was Sammy couldn't stay on the field.

 

Now he has both Gordon and Landry. 

 

Trading Tyrod wad a good move for us because it was clear we weren't going to build around him, but luckily for Taylor, it looks like he was traded to a team that's built for him.

 

I see the same haters are at it in this thread.

 

Trans....not really true.  In the games Watkins played with Taylor, in 2015 with 14 games played it was 6.7 targets per game.  In 2016 with 8 games played, it was 6.5 targets per game.

[Shaw66]

I liked Taylor but I don't mind that he's gone.  Maybe his ceiling is higher than we saw, and I think it is, but I still don't mind.  Why?

 

Because I trust McDermott and Beane.  They decided that Taylor didn't fit what they're trying to do, whatever that may be.  Maybe he didn't fit because TT couldn't ever be better than we saw.  Maybe he didn't fit for other reasons.  I don't know.  What I do know is that McD know what they want and Tyrod wasn't it. 

 

There are four possible outcomes:  1.  McB are winners and TT is a star.  .2. McB are winners and TT never emerges.  3. McB bust and TT is a star.  4.  McB bust and TT never emerges.   I'm great with 1 or 2.  

[Thunderstruck]

Clearly he has been wearing his game day suits to pre season workouts... Only logical explanation here

[TigerJ]

Of course, everybody needs to remember that Jarvis Landry came out of LSU, and LSU players have no idea what a real QB looks like.  He was drafted by Miami, so his only up close look at QBs in practice have beenRyan Tannehill and Jay Cutler.  So, we should probably cut him a little slack in his assessment of QBs.

Edited July 9, 2018 by TigerJ

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Of course, everybody needs to remember that Jarvis Landry came out of LSU, and LSU players have no idea what a real QB looks like.  He was drafted by Miami, so his only up close look at QBs in practice have beenRyan Tannehill and Jay Cutler.  So, we should probably cut him a little slack in his assessment of QBs.

 

I had this thought exactly.  Although some here who indulge hyperbole about Taylor's badness as a QB, can't raise that argument....?

 

Plus, many a QB has been a "preseason warrior" in shorts and a red shirt, and looked lost during game action

(vice versa as well)

26 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I liked Taylor but I don't mind that he's gone.  Maybe his ceiling is higher than we saw, and I think it is, but I still don't mind.  Why?

 

Because I trust McDermott and Beane.  They decided that Taylor didn't fit what they're trying to do, whatever that may be.  Maybe he didn't fit because TT couldn't ever be better than we saw.  Maybe he didn't fit for other reasons.  I don't know.  What I do know is that McD know what they want and Tyrod wasn't it. 

 

There are four possible outcomes:  1.  McB are winners and TT is a star.  .2. McB are winners and TT never emerges.  3. McB bust and TT is a star.  4.  McB bust and TT never emerges.   I'm great with 1 or 2.  

 

I don't know if I trust McDermott and Beane on offense yet.  I don't know if I trust Daboll.  I don't know that I distrust them; I'm with "not yet proven" on offense.

 

I agree with your first statement and your four outcomes, too, although I will admit 3. will be painful to swallow.

[Shaw66]

38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I don't know if I trust McDermott and Beane on offense yet.  I don't know if I trust Daboll.  I don't know that I distrust them; I'm with "not yet proven" on offense.

 

I agree with your first statement and your four outcomes, too, although I will admit 3. will be painful to swallow.

I'm kind of surprised at myself, but I have supreme confidence in McB.   I don't know if Daboll is the answer, but McB have a process, as we know, and we've already seen that if a guy doesn't fit the process (Dennison, Dareus, Watkins, Taylor) he gets moved quickly.   So I think if Daboll isn't the answer, the answer will arrive soon enough.  

 

Yes, 3 would be hard to swallow, but would it be really that much worse than 4?  McB failing would break my heart.   Absent a major disaster, McB will be with the Bills another four years.  I'm getting old, and the thought of starting over then with another leadership group what's tough for me to swallow.   So maybe it isn't that my supreme confidence is rational; it's simply that at my age they look like the last best hope, so they'd better be the ones. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I'm kind of surprised at myself, but I have supreme confidence in McB.   I don't know if Daboll is the answer, but McB have a process, as we know, and we've already seen that if a guy doesn't fit the process (Dennison, Dareus, Watkins, Taylor) he gets moved quickly.   So I think if Daboll isn't the answer, the answer will arrive soon enough.  

 

Yes, 3 would be hard to swallow, but would it be really that much worse than 4?  McB failing would break my heart.   Absent a major disaster, McB will be with the Bills another four years.  I'm getting old, and the thought of starting over then with another leadership group what's tough for me to swallow.   So maybe it isn't that my supreme confidence is rational; it's simply that at my age they look like the last best hope, so they'd better be the ones. 

 

Illogical, perhaps, but to me it would be worse.  I still struggle with trading up to draft TJ Graham when Russ Wilson was still on the board, and then not making a move for Kirk Cousins.  So it's going to be hard for me to let go of if Allen busts but Rosen shines, or if TT looks great in Cleveland while Allen is deemed not ready and we don't have a servicable QB (if TT shines while AJ or Peterman are capable, I don't care).

[keepthefaith]

Tyrod has yet to play a down against an actual defense as a Cleveland Brown.  Time.Will.Tell.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

On 7/7/2018 at 12:13 PM, HappyDays said:

 

In 2016 Tyrod had 23 total TDs. The RBs combined had 23 rushing TDs. He also had 3,603 total yards, and the RBs combined had 2,050 rushing yards.

 

So Tyrod accounted for 63.7% of our total yards and 50% of our TDs in 2016. I'm sure that's a lower percentage than most QBs in the NFL, but to say our high scoring offense was mainly a product of our rushing game is disingenuous at best.

 

Why are you defending this guy STILL:? He only had one 300 yard passing game here, and for good reason... he can't sustain a passing offense. Scoring offense rank? Please... The Tyrod sycophants are still trying to defend this guy.