Music City Travesty

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Where do you stand?

I stand firmly on the side that believes you are a no good hack troll who should have his posting privileges revoked.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

RJ won that game. Took us down for the winning score. Special teams blew it, and they looked unprepared for a possible throwback theefore I blame coaching

 

if Flutie would of started we would of lost way before the throwback

...or we're up by 9 and the game is over....lets not forget Robo played that 1st half pretty much the way he played during his illustrious Bills career....we'll never know?

[Bob in STL]

3 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Bills special teams coach lost the game.

 

NO WAY. 

 

Who is to blame?   How about the players.  How about stay in your lane and defend the field.  There were several players that did not do this.  If they had the ball is either not thrown or a tackle is made.  

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

3 hours ago, fansince88 said:

Where's the beef

 

Teef likes his beef raw

 

 

[Another Fan]

All I have to say is thankfully we're not in a drought anymore.  I used to watch replays of that game cutting out the last 22 seconds.  During the pits of the drought that game reminded me of the last relevant team 

[Your Brown Eye]

Ownership

Flutie

Touchdown

[BearNorth]

I wuz there{working in Nashville at the time], skybox, 45 Tn Yardline.  stadium thought it was a forward lateral until the refs decided otherwise.  simple solution, GPS chip in the ball and GPS tracking on the facade of the skyboxes, can track the LOS and the ball within fractions of an inch...

 

[Buffalo716]

I went to 15 years of counseling to get over this and you just had to bring it up...

 

Where the **** is my safe space!! I’m about to have a panic attack ?

[KD in CA]

7 hours ago, ddaryl said:

RJ won that game. Took us down for the winning score. Special teams blew it, and they looked unprepared for a possible throwback theefore I blame coaching

 

if Flutie would of started we would of lost way before the throwback

A winning score in a game they didn’t win?

 

uh...ok.  

[Lfod]

It was the Music City Miracle. What bothered me about it was how bad the Bills got caught off guard and that was the miraculous part, for the other team.

 

If the players had awareness it would have never went the distance. So because of that my favorite team deserved the loss for being caught off guard and I've moved on from it.

 

I'm more in present thinking about the 3 point playoff game. 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Lfod

[Starr Almighty]

10 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Where do you stand?

I have good news Al Riveron is currently reviewing the play and Tony Romo is convinced that they are going to overturn it.

[nucci]

12 hours ago, klos63 said:

and it was a forward lateral.

well, that too

[Epstein's Mother]

 

This poll shows how schizophrenic Bills fans are regarding this game.  80% of the respondents say that the last play of the game was a forward lateral meaning the Bills should have won.  So, 80% of you think Rob Johnson played well enough to win the game.  But when asked who should have started 80% say Flutie?  You're basically saying sure, Johnson got Buffalo to the last play of the game and the refs blew it for them but I'm willing to re-write the entire game with Flutie as QB in hopes of a better outcome.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Epstein's Mother

[eball]

It's amazing to me how easily some are baited into this conversation.  Moths to a flame.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, KD in CA said:

A winning score in a game they didn’t win?

 

uh...ok.  

 

you know what he meant.

 

[ddaryl]

9 hours ago, KD in CA said:

A winning score in a game they didn’t win?

 

uh...ok.  

 

What was the score after the offenses last possession ?

 

that was the point.. comprehension is key here

[RiotAct]

answer to the first question is “Other”.  Special Teams.

[C.Biscuit97]

It was a karma loss.  If the Bills made the decision to bench Flutie for that scrub RJ, it would dominate sports talk.  Such an idiotic move.  RJ sucked in that game like he sucked for most of his career.  We deserved that loss.  

 

Also, because I did in college, the loss is on the guy on kick coverage who’s job was to stay outside the hashmarks in case of a throwback or reverse.  It’s super boring most of the time but that’s why you have to respect your job all the time and not chase the ball.

[Bill Murray]

22 hours ago, billykay said:

So, if Tyrod is winning 3-0 & the other team scores a TD on the last series, then you would say that Tyrod "had done everything he needed to for the Bills to win".

 

1) not sure why tyrod is relevant at all other than to tap into sentiment around him and confuse the issue.  at least you got some likes out of it by mentioning him as a failed QB

2) in your scenario, if QB whoever walks off the field with no time left and only the kickoff remaining, then yes, i would think they have done everything they needed to do to win, hence my original post.  If he leaves the other team a series in which they can run plays to score a TD, then no, the QB didnt do enough

Edited May 22, 2018 by Bill Murray

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Johnson played a good game, the blame falls squarely on the special team players who didn't cover the play.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It was a karma loss.  If the Bills made the decision to bench Flutie for that scrub RJ, it would dominate sports talk.  Such an idiotic move.  RJ sucked in that game like he sucked for most of his career.  We deserved that loss.  

 

Also, because I did in college, the loss is on the guy on kick coverage who’s job was to stay outside the hashmarks in case of a throwback or reverse.  It’s super boring most of the time but that’s why you have to respect your job all the time and not chase the ball.

Ironically RJ did his best Flutie game/manager impression in the win against the Titans aka he did just enough to put us ahead going into the last kick, had we tackled Dyson than people wouldn't be crying over the loss but celebrating RJ's heroics of leading us back especially without his shoe etc. Yet I get it, nothing I can change your mind but all I know is nothing will change my mind that Flutie was downright horrible in 1999 and should have been sooner than the playoffs. 

[C.Biscuit97]

17 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Ironically RJ did his best Flutie game/manager impression in the win against the Titans aka he did just enough to put us ahead going into the last kick, had we tackled Dyson than people wouldn't be crying over the loss but celebrating RJ's heroics of leading us back especially without his shoe etc. Yet I get it, nothing I can change your mind but all I know is nothing will change my mind that Flutie was downright horrible in 1999 and should have been sooner than the playoffs. 

RJ - 10/22, 131 yards, 6 sacks.

 

Flutie’s only Bills playoff start, he threw for a club record 360 yards.  

 

Flutie wasnt a great qb but he was miles better than RJ.  It’s amazing that people can’t just admit it.  It’s also amazing that I still care about it too haha.

[billsredneck1]

On 5/21/2018 at 3:41 PM, Sherlock Holmes said:

He did eveything including running out of the endzone for a safety, and taking so many sacks he got blown out of his own cleat

Did he loose that shoe getting sacked?

..

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

10 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

Did he loose that shoe getting sacked?

..

 

I believe it came off while trying to elude the sack. robosack

Edited May 22, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Mikie2times]

14 hours ago, eball said:

It's amazing to me how easily some are baited into this conversation.  Moths to a flame.

It amazes me how redundant posts like this have become opposed to just not responding. Moths to a flame. 

[vincec]

15 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Johnson played a good game, the blame falls squarely on the special team players who didn't cover the play.

 

 

Not really. He was 10-22 for 131 yards, giving up the usual 6 sacks. But the Titans defense was pretty good so there’s no guarantee Flutie would have been better.

[T master]

The biggest travesty was that the guy that lead the team through out the yr wasn't playing & that one falls on Ralph we knew him to meddle with team decisions but that was even worse than something Jerry Jones would have done pretty stupid !! 

 

But now its water under the bridge so there's no sense in crying over it any more !! 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, vincec said:

Not really. He was 10-22 for 131 yards, giving up the usual 6 sacks. But the Titans defense was pretty good so there’s no guarantee Flutie would have been better.

 

I thought he looked sharp against that defense and did enough to win the game . We should've went to the Super Bowl that year but I don't know if we would have been able to slow the Rams down.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[Chuck Wagon]

So here's my question.  

 

If a team is down 4-5 points and running down the sideline in a similar fashion, but someone comes off the sideline and tackles him, what happens?  An automatic touchdown? A 15 yard penalty from the spot and an un-timed down?

[Sherlock Holmes]

On 5/22/2018 at 7:44 PM, billsredneck1 said:

Did he loose that shoe getting sacked?

..

No but he probably had it jarred loose on all those sacks he would take every other snap

[KD in CA]

9 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

So here's my question.  

 

If a team is down 4-5 points and running down the sideline in a similar fashion, but someone comes off the sideline and tackles him, what happens?  An automatic touchdown? A 15 yard penalty from the spot and an un-timed down?

 

Ask Tommy Lewis.

 

 

[BigDingus]

Nobody outside of Buffalo EVER would be dumb enough to seriously think starting Rob Johnson was a good move. 

The fact 46 people said Rob Johnson just shows how much denial still exists in this fandom.

When your starting QB leads you to a 10-5 season and clinched  a playoff birth before week 17, you do NOT pull a switcheroo and throw in an unproven guy to start your playoff game!

In what f'n world does any non biased person think that makes sense? NOBODY outside of random deluded Bills fans would be capable of the mental gymnastics required to make that leap. Besides the obvious skill/talent disparity, you instantly cause turmoil in the locker room and lose your credibility as a leader. You have one guy that your team went into battle with game after game, respected, followed and played for, suddenly get yanked and replaced with a guy who had done nothing but lose games & get hurt, and hadn't earned anyone's respect.

Oh, and you really think a week or two of 1st team reps is good enough for the players to get a sense of all the ins and outs of that QB's play style? Is their timing going to be anywhere close to as refined and ingrained as the guy they went through OTA's, minicamp, practice and 15 games with? And the fact that they knew the starting QB did nothing wrong to validate losing his spot on the fly makes it even worse!

You have people on these boards that couldn't even grasp the logic behind starting Peterman in the San Diego game, when Tyrod had actually been playing like garbage, wasn't half as successful as Flutie, and it was a REGULAR SEASON GAME against a team that had a losing record! Yet somehow pulling your starter who didn't s*** the bed several straight games, had already clinched a playoff birth (and lead you to one prior), and doing so in a PLAYOFF GAME makes sense? The stupidity of those people is baffling.

It doesn't even matter if the Music City Miracle happened or not, or if the Bills had won the game! It was still so asinine that it's a point of what not to do to this day! How many coaches have you seen pull a turd move like this since then (or even before)? NONE. You know why? Because it doesn't make sense on any rational level. If you would seriously make that move (and apparently 46 of you would), your opinions on football are irrelevant.

/rant

Edited May 24, 2018 by BigDingus

[Nick the Greek]

Gotta blame the coach. How did they not know some crazy stuff would be coming that late in the game. Epic fail.

[BigDingus]

On 5/22/2018 at 1:06 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Johnson played a good game, the blame falls squarely on the special team players who didn't cover the play.

 

 

 

A good game? Wtf are you talking about?! You must LOVE Tyrod then, as he puts Johnson to shame.

Rob Johnson - 10 of 22 passing (45% comp.) for 131 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, 6 sacks & 3 fumbles, with a 64.8 passer rating. 

DAMN! Killer game he had! 

 

Yup, he did everything he could to win that game!
 

How many coaches have you ever seen bench the QB that lead them to a 10-5 record, a clinched playoff spot in week 16, had already lead them to the playoffs the year before, and replaced them with an unproven guy who was hadn't won jack, was always injured, and had averaged 122 yards a game up until that point in his career? ZERO.

 

In 6 games the year before (1998), Johnson was sacked 29 friggin times! In Flutie's 10 games that year, he was sacked 12 times.........Johnson was bad from start to finish, Flutie actually did something. But yeah, try & justify the ridiculousness that was that decision. Johnson the injury-plagued statue was never the "good" option for that game, even if our team did everything it could to win.

[C.Biscuit97]

23 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I thought he looked sharp against that defense and did enough to win the game . We should've went to the Super Bowl that year but I don't know if we would have been able to slow the Rams down.

 

 

You also wanted to trade Mario Williams for John Skelton.