Interviews/Commentary about Josh Allen (WY OC, Palmer, Joe B etc)

[JerseyBills]

Jordan Palmer who has now worked with a bunch of young QBs seems to have had a huge impact on Josh Allen, look no further than that 2nd half of the Senior Bowl , but if a part time mentor can make changes to his game, I think that showed this staff that his tremendous upside can be reached. 

I'll leave a few videos, but man I'm loving this pick, I think we got the best QB and will be running the AFC East sooner than later. The kid has freakish skills and is COACHABLE. 

Suprised not many have pointed out the impact Palmer has had on his game, you can hear his confidence in Allen over Darnold too imo.  Only time will tell but I think we got our franchise guy!

 

[Dr. Who]

Thanks for the videos.  Some folks have suggested hiring Palmer to work full-time with Allen, so it has not gone unnoticed.  I was also impressed with Dilfer's opinion of Allen.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

Of the four main QBs this year, Allen always stuck out to me as the most prototypical for today's NFL. I really was happy when we selected him and I think he'll be a long-term fan favorite for years. I think he'll do well in Buffalo weather. Very excited about this pick and the rest of the draft. Done perfectly!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Thanks for the videos.  Some folks have suggested hiring Palmer to work full-time with Allen, so it has not gone unnoticed.  I was also impressed with Dilfer's opinion of Allen.

 

Got a linky to which Dilfer opinion you're talking about?  'Cuz this one, TBH, doesn't make him sound that good relative to the other QB in Dilfer's view.

 

Dilfer raved about Josh Allen’s traits and compared the Wyoming product to a “probably even more powerful” version of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, but cautioned that he’s still a work in progress. “He has everything 1980s and 1990s football wanted in a quarterback,” Dilfer said. “He is big, strong, athletic, huge arm, tough physically, mentally. I mean, he’s got the trait makeup. “He’s not a great player yet. He needs to learn how to play the game better. What I’ve been talking about him is he’s a 650-horsepower engine that doesn’t have the car built around to sustain that horsepower. He needs to build the automobile. He needs to have the framework and the nurturing to handle that type of horsepower . . . I think, instead of a first-round player, I’d call him a first-round prospect. He needs to be developed, he needs time, he needs to be nurtured. But I absolutely would love to coach him, and I think he’ll be a star if handled properly in the NFL.”

[BrotherChazz]

As mentioned above, I wonder if the Bills would ever consider bringing him in as a coach, since he's been working with Allen so much. Would make sense. 

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Got a linky to which Dilfer opinion you're talking about?  'Cuz this one, TBH, doesn't make him sound that good relative to the other QB in Dilfer's view.

 

Dilfer raved about Josh Allen’s traits and compared the Wyoming product to a “probably even more powerful” version of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, but cautioned that he’s still a work in progress. “He has everything 1980s and 1990s football wanted in a quarterback,” Dilfer said. “He is big, strong, athletic, huge arm, tough physically, mentally. I mean, he’s got the trait makeup. “He’s not a great player yet. He needs to learn how to play the game better. What I’ve been talking about him is he’s a 650-horsepower engine that doesn’t have the car built around to sustain that horsepower. He needs to build the automobile. He needs to have the framework and the nurturing to handle that type of horsepower . . . I think, instead of a first-round player, I’d call him a first-round prospect. He needs to be developed, he needs time, he needs to be nurtured. But I absolutely would love to coach him, and I think he’ll be a star if handled properly in the NFL.”

I was thinking of a Rich Eisen interview that was posted in one of the threads.  I do think the quote you included is correct.  Allen can be very good, but he needs time to develop.  Hopefully we have patience and the right people in place to accomplish that.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Jordan Palmer who has now worked with a bunch of young QBs seems to have had a huge impact on Josh Allen, look no further than that 2nd half of the Senior Bowl , but if a part time mentor can make changes to his game, I think that showed this staff that his tremendous upside can be reached. 

I'll leave a few videos, but man I'm loving this pick, I think we got the best QB and will be running the AFC East sooner than later. The kid has freakish skills and is COACHABLE. 

Suprised not many have pointed out the impact Palmer has had on his game, you can hear his confidence in Allen over Darnold too imo.  Only time will tell but I think we got our franchise guy!

 

Color me surprised that Palmer enthuses about the 2 QB draft prospects who are paying him to live in a beach house with him and play catch (OK, there's more to it than that but...).  Look, it's nice to hear him gush about our guy, but it has to be seen in the context of a sculptor enthusing for his creation.

 

The reason that a lot of folks aren't pointing out the impact Palmer has had on Allen's game yet is....he hasn't had one yet.  Yeah, I know, Senior Bowl, but as others have pointed out, there are several ways in which the Senior Bowl is a scripted situation (limited defensive alignments, no blitzing, and player attention is divided between showcasing their talent but not wanting to be That Guy who kills another player's chance in the draft by injuring him).  The rest of the things we see are in shorts.

 

It's very promising that Allen has improved his technique in shorts after 3 months of intense daily work with Palmer, but 1) some of the same flaws can still be seen at times on tape in his combine and pro day - mute the announcers, and really LOOK at the placement on every throw 2) there's a history of QB who have improved working with QB gurus in shorts, but who regress under pressure in the game.

 

So we really have to wait to see him in a game.

[NoSaint]

Of course it’s possible to fix- but history shows he’s likely about a coin flip and those would be high on the list of things that might land him on the wrong side. 

 

Itll be an an exciting season. Fingers crossed for good outcomes.

[HansLanda]

I wonder how Palmer gets paid by Allen and Darnold. Both are 'clients,' hence why he could not divulge his favorite between the two. Just giving them the  three-month training on the come and they pay him $X once they are drafted, signed, paid?  

[Homey D. Clown]

I will go on record admitting I didn't see enough Of Josh Allen's work to compare him to Paxton Lynch in all honesty.  I also made it known that I wanted Rosen for having seen more of his tape, but I have no effect on who the Bills draft, so after seeing some more film, I am at the very least more optimistic on what Allen can become, and far more disappointed in how Rosen carries himself publicly.

 

I'm not pulling a full 180 on who I was hoping for in the draft, as I really wanted them to stay put in the 1st round and take Mason Rudolph with the late 2nd round pick, but now that it's all said and done, I am not totally opposed to the pick.  I just hope he can develop and justify the move up.  What I can say tha's growing on me is his demeanor and work ethic.

 

EDIT:

 

Let me clarify - If they were determined to move up in the draft, which I was against, I wanted Rosen.  If they stayed put and kept all their picks, I wanted Rudolph.  I felt like Rudolph was going to be the poor mans Allen.

Edited April 30, 2018 by Homey D. Clown

[Kelly the Dog]

I agree somewhat with the fact that Jordan Palmer has Allen as a client and so he is going to say extremely favorable things about him.

 

But if you or I am going to acknowledge that, we must also acknowledge that Jordan Palmer wants to be doing this for the rest of his life, and if he talks up a guy like that who tanks, he is not going to have that dream job very long. So he's not likely to be saying things he doesn't believe to be true.

Edited April 30, 2018 by Kelly the Dog

[Mark92]

I believe the bills made the right call drafting Allen.  The question I have is..... Will the Bills give him the coaching that he needs to develop?  I would seriously consider bringing in a QB whisperer for this Kid.  I don't think just having Daboll create an offense for his strengths will be enough.  Jordan Palmer was a good idea but if Palmer can do it then I am sure anyone with proven NFL QB coaching skills will do.  

One more thing about Palmer really saying great things about Allen..... At least he didn't pull a Mora and say that Sam Darnold should be #1 and not his college QB Josh Rosen.  I would be pissed if my coach ever did that to me.  Actually Allen's head coach at Wyoming said that Allen deserved to be #1 just based on what he expects Allen to become.  

[Badanswer]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Got a linky to which Dilfer opinion you're talking about?  'Cuz this one, TBH, doesn't make him sound that good relative to the other QB in Dilfer's view.

 

Dilfer raved about Josh Allen’s traits and compared the Wyoming product to a “probably even more powerful” version of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, but cautioned that he’s still a work in progress. “He has everything 1980s and 1990s football wanted in a quarterback,” Dilfer said. “He is big, strong, athletic, huge arm, tough physically, mentally. I mean, he’s got the trait makeup. “He’s not a great player yet. He needs to learn how to play the game better. What I’ve been talking about him is he’s a 650-horsepower engine that doesn’t have the car built around to sustain that horsepower. He needs to build the automobile. He needs to have the framework and the nurturing to handle that type of horsepower . . . I think, instead of a first-round player, I’d call him a first-round prospect. He needs to be developed, he needs time, he needs to be nurtured. But I absolutely would love to coach him, and I think he’ll be a star if handled properly in the NFL.”

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Homey D. Clown said:

I will go on record admitting I didn't see enough Of Josh Allen's work to compare him to Paxton Lynch in all honesty.  I also made it known that I wanted Rosen for having seen more of his tape, but I have no effect on who the Bills draft, so after seeing some more film, I am at the very least more optimistic on what Allen can become, and far more disappointed in how Rosen carries himself publicly.

 

I'm not pulling a full 180 on who I was hoping for in the draft, as I really wanted them to stay put in the 1st round and take Mason Rudolph with the late 2nd round pick, but now that it's all said and done, I am not totally opposed to the pick.  I just hope he can develop and justify the move up.  What I can say tha's growing on me is his demeanor and work ethic.

 

EDIT:

 

Let me clarify - If they were determined to move up in the draft, which I was against, I wanted Rosen.  If they stayed put and kept all their picks, I wanted Rudolph.  I felt like Rudolph was going to be the poor mans Allen.

Why would you want a poor mans josh allen when you can get josh allen?  Doesn’t make sense to me.  It’s the QB position.  It’s the one position where it doesn’t matter what draft pick price you pay. You get the guy that you like most.

 

 If allen was their #1 guy, then I think Beane did just an incredible job by keeping 22 and all of our picks in the future.  Sure, the cardinals did great too and gave up less but they may have not gotten the guy they wanted.  If reports are true and the cards and Bills were both trying to trade for that 7 spot for the same QB and we got him......I’d rather give up the 2 2nd rd picks and get our guy as opposed to the 2nd choice and giving up less.  Then to get Edmunds too.......that’s just amazing.  I had Edmunds at my 5th ranked non qb. Not that means anything. 

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Loving the Allen pick more and more with each passing day. 

[chris heff]

2 hours ago, HansLanda said:

I wonder how Palmer gets paid by Allen and Darnold. Both are 'clients,' hence why he could not divulge his favorite between the two. Just giving them the  three-month training on the come and they pay him $X once they are drafted, signed, paid?  

Once college career is over they can accept money from their agent, pay it back after signing.

[Domdab99]

I mean, Palmer talking up Allen is a little suspect, because it benefits Palmer and his job as a QB guru to have Allen be a success. Saying how much Allen has improved will obviously get other QBs to hire Palmer. 

 

Something else - we don't know how this has improved Allen's play, as he hasn't played a real game since hiring Palmer. I hope it has helped! 

 

That being said, the kid is doing all the right things and working hard. 

[Wagon Circler]

I hope everyone understands that this kid may need a full year to be ready to lead an NFL offense. He is not ready and will require everyone to be patient.

Barring injury, I would not expect to see him playing for 10 games at least.

[RoyBatty is alive]

So how far did he end up throwing the ball?  Or how far can he throw it?

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

So how far did he end up throwing the ball?  Or how far can he throw it?

Allen said the longest he has thrown the ball is 82 yards if that is what you mean.

[GG]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I agree somewhat with the fact that Jordan Palmer has Allen as a client and so he is going to say extremely favorable things about him.

 

But if you or I am going to acknowledge that, we must also acknowledge that Jordan Palmer wants to be doing this for the rest of his life, and if he talks up a guy like that who tanks, he is not going to have that dream job very long. So he's not likely to be saying things he doesn't believe to be true.

 

Let's not forget that Palmer had Darnold & Allen in his clinic this year

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, GG said:

 

Let's not forget that Palmer had Darnold & Allen in his clinic this year

I didnt. That's why I said Palmer has Allen as a client.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I agree somewhat with the fact that Jordan Palmer has Allen as a client and so he is going to say extremely favorable things about him.

 

But if you or I am going to acknowledge that, we must also acknowledge that Jordan Palmer wants to be doing this for the rest of his life, and if he talks up a guy like that who tanks, he is not going to have that dream job very long. So he's not likely to be saying things he doesn't believe to be true.

 

You make a good point.    OTOH, who was it that EJ Manuel had as a QB coach who enthused about how much he'd improved? 

I dunno that these guys have all that much accountability on the line.  They can always say "I coached him to do X, you could see the improvement in shorts, it's hard for the player to keep that up under game-day pressure blah blah"

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...still don't like this QB Coach head scratcher at OBD with Culley......Dorsey to an Asst Athletics Director job at FIU......Palmer has worked with quite a few......maybe he prefers to free lance with clients versus QB Coach position........doesn't hurt to ask......

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You make a good point.    OTOH, who was it that EJ Manuel had as a QB coach who enthused about how much he'd improved? 

I dunno that these guys have all that much accountability on the line.  They can always say "I coached him to do X, you could see the improvement in shorts, it's hard for the player to keep that up under game-day pressure blah blah"

While what you say is true, it's a little different for QB coaches and coaches in general. They almost always build their guys up. A QB coach doesn't really have to take the blame because there is the OC and HC above him making decisions and the player himself who usually gets the blame if he sucks. In fact, you rarely hear about a QB coach who stinks or gets the blame. They usually get credit when the player does well but not the blame when he does poorly. Look at David Lee.

 

Paler went out of his way to promote a guy that was getting boatloads of criticism for his shortcomings. I imagine he believes most of it. How well Allen does is a huge question mark regardless.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

Once college career is over they can accept money from their agent, pay it back after signing.

 

Interesting, good to know.  Another thing an agent can do for the draft prospects. 

 

Palmer said there was a 3rd QB there with Darnold and Allen - Kyle Allen (no relation to Josh) who just signed as an UDFA with the Panthers.

I wonder how it works when the prospect is not in line for a big contract, or even to be drafted at all. 

 

UDFA get 3 year contracts and not much signing bonus, maybe $10k right? 

He'll get $31k per game if he makes the team, $7,200/wk for the taxi squad but big "ifs" there. 

I guess draft prospects have to look at it like a college loan, a financial investment in yourself to help you achieve your goals.

 

I dunno what 3 months of beach house, board, and full-time coaching and physical training would cost, but more than $10k apiece I would think?  Anyone have a clue?

[Dr. K]

14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

While what you say is true, it's a little different for QB coaches and coaches in general. They almost always build their guys up. A QB coach doesn't really have to take the blame because there is the OC and HC above him making decisions and the player himself who usually gets the blame if he sucks. In fact, you rarely hear about a QB coach who stinks or gets the blame. They usually get credit when the player does well but not the blame when he does poorly. Look at David Lee.

 

Paler went out of his way to promote a guy that was getting boatloads of criticism for his shortcomings. I imagine he believes most of it. How well Allen does is a huge question mark regardless.

Exactly like the editors and publishers I know. If a book becomes a bestseller, they say, "Look what we did with this bag of horse manure." If it flops, they say, "What could we do with this bag of horse manure?"

[US Egg]

Jordan Palmer.....how many Pro Bowlers has he mentored ? 

 

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[HappyDays]

49 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Let's not forget that Palmer had Darnold & Allen in his clinic this year

 

This is a fair point and I haven't seen him talk about Darnold nearly as much. Maybe he really saw something in Josh Allen. If he ends up sucking that will make it look like Palmer has no clue what he's talking about, so in some ways he's staking his own reputation on Allen's development.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Badanswer said:

 

 

Interesting.  Thanks!

 

[wppete]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

This is a fair point and I haven't seen him talk about Darnold nearly as much. Maybe he really saw something in Josh Allen. If he ends up sucking that will make it look like Palmer has no clue what he's talking about, so in some ways he's staking his own reputation on Allen's development.

 

To be truthful, if I were Darnold and his client just as much, I'd be kinda pissed except that Darnold went #3 overall and got the big payday and is supposedly tight with Allen after their 3 months as beach-house buddies, so maybe it's "all good"

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...still don't like this QB Coach head scratcher at OBD with Culley......Dorsey to an Asst Athletics Director job at FIU......Palmer has worked with quite a few......maybe he prefers to free lance with clients versus QB Coach position........doesn't hurt to ask......

 

Actually with rules on limit of contact between coaches and players during offseason it is better for Allen to work with Palmer as a non-coach as long as Palmer is not giving contradictory instructions.

 

I wonder what Palmer told Allen about his 5 days in Buffalo?

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Badanswer said:

 

 

Thanks.  I heard about this interview and have been wanting to see it.

This is just another arrow in my "don't rush this young man's" quiver.

 

If I see Josh Allen on the field against the Ravens, Chargers or Vikings defenses and/or in a shootout with Aaron Rodgers I will not

believe in the McBeane "process" talk any more.

 

That being said I don't believe I will.  Do the right thing OBD.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Actually with rules on limit of contact between coaches and players during offseason it is better for Allen to work with Palmer as a non-coach as long as Palmer is not giving contradictory instructions.

 

I wonder what Palmer told Allen about his 5 days in Buffalo?

 

...great point and interesting question..

[The Dean]

5 hours ago, Badanswer said:

 

 

Thanks you for this. I  had not seen it (believe it or not). Someone should make it a point to play this to the Bills top brass, every week or so, if things start getting dicey with AJ.

 

 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

 

If you listen, Palmer sounds like he's almost holding back on his excitement of Allen in relation to Darnold. 

[SouthNYfan]

On 4/30/2018 at 5:05 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

So how far did he end up throwing the ball?  Or how far can he throw it?

 

A quarter mile, but that was back in '82

[Buffalo Boy]

As a guy who doesn’t watch college ball, it was nice to see him throw with some nice touch on the TDs and on one of those short crossers.

He hit a couple semi faded to the sideline and I immediately thought of EJ in some game where EJ was chucking them way out of bounds( kinda like TT?)

[BobbyC81]

On April 30, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You make a good point.    OTOH, who was it that EJ Manuel had as a QB coach who enthused about how much he'd improved? 

I dunno that these guys have all that much accountability on the line.  They can always say "I coached him to do X, you could see the improvement in shorts, it's hard for the player to keep that up under game-day pressure blah blah"

 

And wasn't Sam Wyche brought in to work with Losman?  

 

They tried different techniques with Bledsoe to try and get him to get rid of the ball, which I don't recall really working.

 

The QB Guru David Lee made Fitzpatrick worse.