Interviews/Commentary about Josh Allen (WY OC, Palmer, Joe B etc)

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What are the Buffalo Bills getting in Josh Allen?

An advanced look into Josh Allen's strengths and weaknesses, all the while tackling the myths and truths of some of the accepted schools of thought about Allen as an NFL prospect.

 

What does Allen need to work on?

No. 1 - Finding his inner Derek Zoolander

No. 2 - More consistent footwork

No. 3 - Mental processing

No. 4 - Seeing ghosts

 

What makes Allen such a dynamic prospect?

No. 1 - Arm strength, of course

No. 2 - Anticipatory throws

No. 3 - Strength and balance through contact

No. 4 - A legitimate running threat

 

First time I’ve seen ‘#2- dynamic’ around him. Can’t hate that

4 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

As he should. He's a rookie, AJ and NP are not. He'll have every opportunity to move up the chart in camp and preseason.

As someone else suggested in another thread, after his first throw in camp he should be at #2 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Huh?! Sounds like he was afraid to run it too. Under 120 yards a game is pretty pathetic. 

They were bad at everything, but rush attempts still dominated their offense.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

The raw talent difference between Allen and Hackenburg aren't even remotely close, And you know that..

Why are they so different?  I’m not saying they will have the same NFL careers but there are some very similar traits amongst them.  They both look the part.  People love to blame their coaches for their failings in college.  CH was the top qb coming out of high school.  Their production was inconsistent.

 

obviously, CH is the worst case scenario.  But he was a guy who was overdraft because of his physical skills and I’ve had similar thoughts about Allen.  If Allen has the same skill set but is Mayfield’s size, he is a mid round pick,

27 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

With respect to the OP- it doesn’t.

 

The only thing that will prove flaws can be overcome is this kid playing nfl games at nfl speed with nfl competition.  

 

Anything is possible. And it is entirely possible that Allen has a gold jacket career. His arm may be historically strong in the NFL. I’m hopeful, mostly because it’s a choice to hope for the best. 

 

but reading into these incremental snapshots prior to the season are fools gold. We’ve heard it all so many times.  You hear about mechanics being fixed in shorts at the local high school all the time- but under live action it all breaks down. Remember when Ej ‘fixed’ his issues one off season with a QB guru?

 

we won’t know, until we know. 

Great post.  It’s all about muscle memory.  When a guy has done stuff his entire life, it’s hard to fix in one offseason.  

 

 

[eball]

Allen will be starting W1 unless he has a terrible camp.  It's almost negligent to sit that kind of talent behind the likes of McCarron and Peterman.  It's not like he'd be learning from Favre.

 

#NotRaw

#FreeJoshAllen

[BillsBytheBay]

It's smart to say he's 3 to the fans.  We're fickel and without patientce. 

When looking at our QB room, it wouldn't surprise me to see him beat out the likes of Peterman and A.J. by the end of camp.  Honestly guys.... Nate & A.J.?

 

And this kid has fought for every step it took to get here.  I don't see him as the type to crack or break.

 

Just an unfounded gut feeling, but I think we got our guy...

And I think Edmunds is going to turn this defense into something special too.

 

Pass the Kool aid.   Guzziling.

1 minute ago, eball said:

Allen will be starting W1 unless he has a terrible camp.  It's almost negligent to sit that kind of talent behind the likes of McCarron and Peterman.  It's not like he'd be learning from Favre.

 

#NotRaw

#FreeJoshAllen

Beet me to the same point?

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

Allen will be starting W1 unless he has a terrible camp.  It's almost negligent to sit that kind of talent behind the likes of McCarron and Peterman.  It's not like he'd be learning from Favre.

 

#NotRaw

#FreeJoshAllen

I just worry about guys like him starting week 1 when they have some much to work on.  I know everyone hates him but I think the Bills killed any chance of success with EJ by forcing him to start right away. 

 

I feel like if Allen isn’t ready, like Peterman, he could crush him.  I guess the counter is if a bad year can crush a qb, the he wasn’t going to be good enough anyways.  But with the state of the offense right now, I think AJ should take the opening lumps.

Edited May 8, 2018 by C.Biscuit97

[BillsBytheBay]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just worry about guys like him starting week 1 when they have some much to work on.  I know everyone hates him but I think the Bills killed any chance of success with EJ by forcing him to start right away. 

 

I feel like if Allen isn’t ready, like Peterman, he could crush him.  I guess the counter is if a bad year can crush a qb, the he wasn’t going to be good enough anyways.  But with the state of the offense right now, I think AJ should take the opening lumps.

Agreed..... As long as A.J. is the better QB at that point.  And nothing says he won't be.  It just seems like a cop out to not start Allen if he genuinely beats out the rest of the room.  The guy made his way through JuCo and was never recruted.  I don't think he's as fragile mentally as many think he is.

Edited May 8, 2018 by JaxBills

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

Agreed..... As long as A.J. is the better QB at that point.  And nothing says he won't be.  It just seems like a cop out to not start Allen if he genuinely beats out the rest of the room.  The guy made his way through JuCo and was never recruted.  I don't think he's as fragile mentally as many think he is.

Normally, I would give the tie to the young guy vs a vet. But in this case, I’d lean towards AJ.  Our oline and wrs are going to be tough for any qb, much less a rookie.

[BillsBytheBay]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Normally, I would give the tie to the young guy vs a vet. But in this case, I’d lean towards AJ.  Our oline and wrs are going to be tough for any qb, much less a rookie.

Rep counts at camp are going to be fun this year!!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

56 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Third on the depth chart in May? You think hell even make the team?

What I posted  is as realistic as the Hack Joe B.  

[eball]

35 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just worry about guys like him starting week 1 when they have some much to work on.  I know everyone hates him but I think the Bills killed any chance of success with EJ by forcing him to start right away. 

 

I feel like if Allen isn’t ready, like Peterman, he could crush him.  I guess the counter is if a bad year can crush a qb, the he wasn’t going to be good enough anyways.  But with the state of the offense right now, I think AJ should take the opening lumps.

 

No, what killed EJ is that he was never going to be a good QB (and I wanted him to be, in the worst way).  No analysis of EJ ever contained the sorts of things we're hearing about Allen (i.e., anticipation throws? Excuse me while I go clean myself up).

 

I fear the Bills will "worry" about hurting Allen's confidence.  I hope that's not the case.  Give him a good game plan and see what he can do.

[Bill_with_it]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Allen has a bigger arm, otherwise they're essentially the same guy. Same size and same mobility. Both have good intangibles off the field. Allen is a bit thicker. 

 

Jordan Palmer said Hackenberg could fix his accuracy in the lead up to the 2016 draft, but he hasn't and will likely be out of the NFL by the end of the summer. 

Correct, however, the key thing to note is that he said he could. Its up to the individual to correct his flaws. He’s responsible for himself and no one else. He has to put in all the work, and when he does and the results dont work out he has to put in more work and analyze why it didnt work. There is not a magic accuracy pill or Doug Whaley and EJ Manuel would have purchased them all.

55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Why are they so different?  I’m not saying they will have the same NFL careers but there are some very similar traits amongst them.  They both look the part.  People love to blame their coaches for their failings in college.  CH was the top qb coming out of high school.  Their production was inconsistent.

 

obviously, CH is the worst case scenario.  But he was a guy who was overdraft because of his physical skills and I’ve had similar thoughts about Allen.  If Allen has the same skill set but is Mayfield’s size, he is a mid round pick,

Great post.  It’s all about muscle memory.  When a guy has done stuff his entire life, it’s hard to fix in one offseason.  

 

 

Thats the thing, unlike CH, Allen hasnt been doing it his whole life. He hasn’t received top coaching, etc... Give him a chance he deserves it.

[BuffaloRush]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Seriously? 

 

Multiple Threads Guidance

 

 

 

This is is a joke.... why not just have a thread titled “Josh Allen

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

If I can offer counter-argument: I hate mile long threads. Sometimes a thread about the same topic can offer a nuance, like this breakdown of Allen by Joe B. I'd rather see more fresher, shorter threads, than one enormous all-encompassing one.

 

 

Same here.  The majority of people likely fee the same way

[jimmy10]

 

Saw this on reddit. Seems appropriate. 

[BillsBytheBay]

This thread is fine..... Please... Good points and little hostility...

[JMF2006]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

Third on the depth chart in May? You think hell even make the team?

 

Practice Squad

BTW his short comings sound easy enough to fix,if they haven't been fixed already by the QB guru

[JMF2006]

On 4/30/2018 at 3:42 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Loving the Allen pick more and more with each passing day. 

 

Whats not to love.........the Bills draft the Biggest Strongest QB with a cannon for an arm.

 

Sure he has a few flaws but he also seems to be coachable .....time will tell.

[DJB]

Awesome article.  Truly well done!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

49 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

This thread is fine..... Please... Good points and little hostility...

The point is a Mod had just posted a thread about creating duplicate threads.  

 

When some people feel that they don’t have to follow the rules it ticks off those people that do follow tbe rules.  

 

[The_Dude]

I need Allen to be the one. I need it. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Allen has a bigger arm, otherwise they're essentially the same guy. Same size and same mobility. Both have good intangibles off the field. Allen is a bit thicker. 

 

Jordan Palmer said Hackenberg could fix his accuracy in the lead up to the 2016 draft, but he hasn't and will likely be out of the NFL by the end of the summer. 

Allen is a much better athlete. I don't use the term athlete lightly. Allen's athletic ability is top notch. Very fluid athlete. 

[Seanbillsfan2206]

I liked these message boards because they weren’t over moderated. Now all of the sudden it’s going down that road...

[One Buffalo]

It's a shame to merge a thread highlighting a great article that is worth reading into another thread... many posters don't read through all the pages, they might read the first page and skip to the end... that is what I do with long threads to be honest.  If you are going to merge like this, maybe create a front page pinned post that allows for new links/content to be added.  I have seen some forums do that...

[26CornerBlitz]

37 minutes ago, DJB said:

Awesome article.  Truly well done!

 

Good luck finding it now. 

[blacklabel]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just worry about guys like him starting week 1 when they have some much to work on.  I know everyone hates him but I think the Bills killed any chance of success with EJ by forcing him to start right away. 

 

I feel like if Allen isn’t ready, like Peterman, he could crush him.  I guess the counter is if a bad year can crush a qb, the he wasn’t going to be good enough anyways.  But with the state of the offense right now, I think AJ should take the opening lumps.

 

I never hated EJ, haha. I was skeptical when they picked him, for sure. And by all accounts he's a great dude, hard worker, solid teammate, etc. etc. His shortcomings are mainly because of his inability to process the game at the speed it needs to be processed at. I remember this big write-up on the Bills official site from 2014, I believe. It was a good read but what stood out to me was the part where they talked about how hard he works and how he even had to put in extra time and work to get through middle and high school. I'm not saying the guy is stupid or anything, but that article indicated to me that the guy might be a C student doing a job that requires a lot of A's.

 

It was obvious how much he studied, did extra work in the film room, worked after practice with receivers, etc. all that stuff was there. What's missing for the dude is the capability to put everything together in a cohesive manner and then apply it to his position to allow him to play fast and loose without overthinking things. Instead, he was constantly thinking about the things he was working to correct. I wonder if his internal thoughts were kind of like this whenever he lined up for a snap: "OK, pre-snap, there's the Mike, is the safety dropping down or back... I got a one-on-one to my right...nope, now they shifted...OK, doh, play clock is almost out, *HIKE!* Alright, where are my feet as I drop back, one, two, three, and fire the ball...dammit he's not open...lemme look over he--crap, pressure! Bail bail bail! *runs for three yards* Phew!" And then line up and try it again haha.

 

To me, it seems like Allen should have an easier time putting everything together. We'll see, though. 

[BillsBytheBay]

26 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

The point is a Mod had just posted a thread about creating duplicate threads.  

 

When some people feel that they don’t have to follow the rules it ticks off those people that do follow tbe rules.  

 

And it ticks off people to not be able to truly have a conversation in a thread because it's digressed into something stupid. Maybe there should be rules about the content of the thread and whether it's even on topic before we worry about starting a thread and having a good conversation.

 

What's the point of a rule if it literally creates a bigger issue than its trying to prevent?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I'm relatively new here and don't post a ton so it probably doesn't mean much...I'm probably like the equivalent of a Ray-Ray McCloud on this board, if even...but disappointing that a post like the Joe B one got grouped into this. I fear this board is going to go down the road of boards that have 1 set topic for each player with 400 pages attached to them and people either stop coming or have to spend a lot of time sifting through all the pages to find new info and insight. And all because of a faction of people dedicate themselves to complaining about new threads being opened when they have the option to post something new on a page 34 of a thread if they want to. 

 

But anyway, good article. I agree he played with inferior competition but I do still think he's got some issues, especially on some of the shorter and intermediate throws. That might sound like it's just "coachable" but there are many QB's who are never able to clean that up. There's a feel for the game that's involved when deciding when to rip a ball and putting some touch on it, and only the elite few can process that in a matter of a couple of seconds. 

[One Buffalo]

Also... this Joe B article isn't even an interview... so it doesn't belong in this thread.  It is a lengthy analysis of his game film.  

 

I agree with others... I came here and stayed because it seemed like a great forum with reasonable moderation.  This might make my stay short lived.  Just looking for a friendly place to read and discuss.  I don't post much, only get on a few times a week  (okay maybe more during the season).  Having good content buried in long threads is not going to work for me.  

[John from Riverside]

36 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

I need Allen to be the one. I need it. 

We need him to be the dude

[BuffaloRush]

Thread never should have been moved... whingers

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just worry about guys like him starting week 1 when they have some much to work on.  I know everyone hates him but I think the Bills killed any chance of success with EJ by forcing him to start right away. 

 

I feel like if Allen isn’t ready, like Peterman, he could crush him.  I guess the counter is if a bad year can crush a qb, the he wasn’t going to be good enough anyways.  But with the state of the offense right now, I think AJ should take the opening lumps.

Agreed 100%.  Earliest I’d start Allen is vs the colts week 7.  Wouldn’t mind sitting him for the whole year.  Maybe McCarron or Peterman will show enough to be able to get us a trade pick for them.

[HappyDays]

I am concerned that the moderators on this board don't know what an interview is. Joe Buscaglia didn't interview Josh Allen in his article... we all know that right?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I am concerned that the moderators on this board don't know what an interview is. Joe Buscaglia didn't interview Josh Allen in his article... we all know that right?

 

My guess is that was more of an effort to appease the Thread Police. 

[Foxx]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I am concerned that the moderators on this board don't know what an interview is. Joe Buscaglia didn't interview Josh Allen in his article... we all know that right?

wtf, someone got merge happy.

 

how do i find where i left off in a certain thread in this one. hint, you don't without scrolling through every stupid page.

2 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

 

This is is a joke.... why not just have a thread titled “Josh Allen

 

Same here.  The majority of people likely fee the same way

and... the thread is locked down, hence no discussion of it is allowed apparently.

53 minutes ago, One Buffalo said:

It's a shame to merge a thread highlighting a great article that is worth reading into another thread... many posters don't read through all the pages, they might read the first page and skip to the end... that is what I do with long threads to be honest.  If you are going to merge like this, maybe create a front page pinned post that allows for new links/content to be added.  I have seen some forums do that...

here's an idea.... create a sub forum. i realize that is ridiculous but so is merging five different threads into one.

Edited May 8, 2018 by Foxx

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, JaxBills said:

And it ticks off people to not be able to truly have a conversation in a thread because it's digressed into something stupid. Maybe there should be rules about the content of the thread and whether it's even on topic before we worry about starting a thread and having a good conversation.

 

What's the point of a rule if it literally creates a bigger issue than its trying to prevent?

Rule #1.  Use the search function.  

 

I do it every time I create a thread.  

 

Discussions can be had for example in one Josh Allen thread.  

 

When certain people refuse to post in another persons thread ......   it is actually quite sad.  

 

In February I started a Bills cap salary thread and this person started their own an hour later.  

 

Truth of it ......  it is a better experience because of it.  

[DJB]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Good luck finding it now. 

 

Why do you say that?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I am concerned that the moderators on this board don't know what an interview is. Joe Buscaglia didn't interview Josh Allen in his article... we all know that right?

 

I edited the title in response to your gracious and courteous contributory remarks.  Thank you.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, DJB said:

 

Why do you say that?

 

Buried in this thread without an easy way to locate it. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

Why do you say that?

 

it was easy to find. 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Buried in this thread without an easy way to locate it. 

 

The search function works very well if you use it. 

 

 

See the post above.