Lurker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Who is Napoli's going to sell suits to now? Kim wears the pants at PS&E, so I guess she'd be as good a spokesperson as any... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Russ you should not have hit in the Pegula Women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 How could we let him leave the building?!?! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: If it's a repeated thing with the same woman, that rises to the level of harassment. Possibly. If it's different women, it's les likely. Either way, we don't know, so I'm not celebrating. On principal. One would have to assume it was a multiple time thing with the same woman. Otherwise, what impetus would there be for "resignation?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 what an emotional roller coaster of a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He is losing his livelihood at a time he didn't plan to. For anyone, regardless of compensation levels, that's a step towards financial ruin. And even if you are happy to see him go, which is fair, are you so eager to see him gone that you don't mind seeing him hustled out the door on nebulous charges of "workplace misconduct"? I'm not. He's an at will employee. His employers chose to fire him. Perhaps he should have sought union protection? I trust that the reasons for his firing were sufficient for Kim and Terry and their business. P.S. Your optics are awful. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, JoeF said: One thing I learned is that if you are in a position of power the standards are different. Taking advantage of that position even in a consensual relationship is not acceptable in any circumstance. You need to be aware of the position you hold and what you represent. So it's not criminal but criminally bad judgment and could have civil implications. What do you mean "taking advantage"? By definition "consensual relationship" generally means no advantage was taken, but rather any advantage was freely given. The standards should be applied evenly, otherwise we are living in a caste system. If you learned anything other than that, I believe what you learned was wrong. (Important to note, that's not a personal judgment about you, but rather about the material being discussed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, fridge said: Don't be obtuse. No. I won't. Vague, anonymous accusations do not constitute evidence of wrongdoing. Don't be what's wrong with the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 The interesting thing here: "when confronted by Kim Pegula" RB lied. I like it that Terry Pegula uses a hatchet-man, or cleaner so to speak. He keeps his hands clean. It's even cooler that his successful hatchet-man is his wife. I hope she stays as President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, JoeF said: One thing I learned is that if you are in a position of power the standards are different. Taking advantage of that position even in a consensual relationship is not acceptable in any circumstance. You need to be aware of the position you hold and what you represent. So it's not criminal but criminally bad judgment and could have civil implications. That's a dangerous statement - ANY circumstance in which a male dates a female subordinate is not acceptable? I don't think that's right, and it's not even most companies' policies. You just need to disclose it (most of the time) so that you don't unfairly disadvantage OTHER employees who you're not dating, among other issues and circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, JoeF said: Not fired, but it impacted a contract renewal and I decided to go off on my own... I owned it with my board, came completely clean and when the time came to extend my deal, I left. Its been a great decision to both own it and go off on my own, but I had to suck it up. Life is sometimes about understanding your own weaknesses, admitting them, asking for and getting help and moving on. It wasn't harassment but consensual in a unique situation. Neither party was married, but I was the senior executive. The standards are different. Gotcha man. It sucks that you went through it. I think it’s a real heightened time for that kind of thing these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: While I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion here, both because of Brandon's (some would say deserved) unpopularity amongst the fan base, and because of a rush by SJWs and those afraid to confront them, to assume the guilt of any man accused of misbehavior; before I celebrate steps towards the financial ruin of another human being, I'd like to hear/see the evidence, know how the investigation was conducted, and hear Brandon's side. Until then I stand opposed, on principle. You're delusional if you think any of that will be publicly granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: John WawrowVerified account @john_wawrow 34s35 seconds ago More ¶ ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) _ A person with direct knowledge of the decision tells The Associated Press that Buffalo Bills and Sabres president Russ Brandon is leaving his post in a major shake-up made by the teams' owners, Terry and Kim Pegula. Edit: http://buffalonews.com/2018/05/01/russ-brandon-resigns-from-bills-sabres-after-internal-investigation/ Russ Brandon has resigned as managing partner and president of the Pegula sports empire. Kim Pegula has taken over as president. The move comes after Pegula Sports and Entertainment conducted an internal investigation into Brandon's workplace behavior and allegations of personal misconduct, two sources told The Buffalo News. Kim Pegula on Friday informed Brandon an internal investigation was being conducted. Two sources with knowledge of the investigation said it was triggered by allegations of inappropriate relationships with female employees. When confronted by Kim Pegula, the sources said, Brandon denied any such relationships, but the investigation indicated he was deceitful about that and other job-related issues that were uncovered. doooooooh!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: What do you mean "taking advantage"? By definition "consensual relationship" generally means no advantage was taken, but rather any advantage was freely given. The standards should be applied evenly, otherwise we are living in a caste system. If you learned anything other than that, I believe what you learned was wrong. (Important to note, that's not a personal judgment about you, but rather about the material being discussed.) Come on, you know this is wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Clearly Russ made the decision to draft Josh Allen I'm actually relieved because if he were under investigation before the draft, it seems likely he would be a "lame duck" in the draft room and not have much influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He is losing his livelihood at a time he didn't plan to. For anyone, regardless of compensation levels, that's a step towards financial ruin. And even if you are happy to see him go, which is fair, are you so eager to see him gone that you don't mind seeing him hustled out the door on nebulous charges of "workplace misconduct"? I'm not. Bro...in theory... when the nice lady at the grocery register rang me up twice for string cheese, that could also count as a step towards financial ruin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SDS said: He's an at will employee. His employers chose to fire him. Perhaps he should have sought union protection? I trust that the reasons for his firing were sufficient for Kim and Terry and their business. P.S. Your optics are awful. Do you celebrate when bad gas station attendants get fired too? Crack open a bottle of Dom when a lawyer gets fired for poor performance after a divorce? Terry and Kim thought Rex was a wise investment. When did they become infallible again? Edited May 1, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: That's the thing about advances. You don't know if they are unwanted, or otherwise, until after you've made the advance. We should not be attempting to pathologize normal male sexuality, not even in the work place. Wow, dude. It’s really not that hard to figure out how to do the right thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Doug Whaley be like... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Damn. That's a sad way to go out for a hometown kid who worked his way up. Like him or hate him, he worked his tail off for both franchises. i do have to give him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Maybe Russ was Ben Allbright’s #source with the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I know this is a serious subject, but... Doesn't this strike anyone as a brilliant, Russ Brandon-type marketing move to distract fans from criticizing the Allen pick?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Holy smokes. I can't believe this is what the end of Russ's reign looks like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: No. I won't. Vague, anonymous accusations do not constitute evidence of wrongdoing. Don't be what's wrong with the world. There's always a few to stay behind on the titanic, and you should feel proud for doing so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, NewEra said: Let’s hope Kim knows how to be a President of an NFL and NHL hockey team....at the same time. Hopefully they are looking for replacements for the two positions This could be the beginning of the end of it isn’t. Beane and Botteril better be the truth Well one thing for sure, she won't be playing grab ass on the job so about 40% of her time is freed up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: What do you mean "taking advantage"? By definition "consensual relationship" generally means no advantage was taken, but rather any advantage was freely given. The standards should be applied evenly, otherwise we are living in a caste system. If you learned anything other than that, I believe what you learned was wrong. (Important to note, that's not a personal judgment about you, but rather about the material being discussed.) Any intracompany relationship when you are the CEO will be viewed as taking advantage. No matter consensual or not. Its part of the role. You are the company, the entity, the owner's representative, the ultimate operational authority. You approve hiring, firing, promoting. Any relationship that becomes intimate or personal is seen internally and externally as one that could compromise the company and compromise your decision-making ability. If you don't get this -- I am really at a loss for how to explain it other than this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, GoBills808 said: Come on, you know this is wrong... I am a student advisor at a university in California......I am surrounded by over 18 "tens" all day long that I advise and they are highly impressionable because of this..... In the 17 years I have been doing this job I have never ONCE had a relationship at my work....not even with another staff member. "dont @*$* where you work/eat" 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm actually relieved because if he were under investigation before the draft, it seems likely he would be a "lame duck" in the draft room and not have much influence. Sir when did you become a mod? Always thought you would have been a good choice for that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: That's a dangerous statement - ANY circumstance in which a male dates a female subordinate is not acceptable? I don't think that's right, and it's not even most companies' policies. You just need to disclose it (most of the time) so that you don't unfairly disadvantage OTHER employees who you're not dating, among other issues and circumstances. Not when you are the CEO. Its different. You will be seen as compromised by engaging in an internal relationship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe Russ was Ben Allbright’s #source with the Bills Russ leaked the Allen tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, fridge said: There's always a few to stay behind on the titanic, and you should feel proud for doing so. That was closer to substantial than usual. You're getting better at missing the mark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, SDS said: He's an at will employee. His employers chose to fire him. Perhaps he should have sought union protection? I trust that the reasons for his firing were sufficient for Kim and Terry and their business. P.S. Your optics are awful. He is (was) an at will employee, and his employers did choose to fire him. That's their right, and one I support fully. I do not, however, in this environment, on the heels of a runaway #metoo movement built by individuals actively seeking to harm powerful men by pathologizing normal healthy male sexuality, trust anyone making this sort of decision unless they present evidence. I understand why you do, because we all know where your bread is buttered. P.S. I don't really care about your opinion about my "optics". I'm concerned with realities, not optics; and the reality is that this sort of thing happens far too frequently to men guilty of nothing more than being men; but they are presumed to be guilty of whatever they are charged with, and it's wrong. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: What do you mean "taking advantage"? By definition "consensual relationship" generally means no advantage was taken, but rather any advantage was freely given. The standards should be applied evenly, otherwise we are living in a caste system. If you learned anything other than that, I believe what you learned was wrong. (Important to note, that's not a personal judgment about you, but rather about the material being discussed.) Your brain is a Rube Goldberg machine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Russ was a dynamic marketing mind that kept this team's season ticket and marketing afloat for decades longer than it should have. And having hung out with him once upon a time, he was a really good dude. Isn't a guy on this board that wouldn't enjoy having a beer with him. Sad day. But today we live in a world (especially with a female owner) where we no longer tolerates extra marital affairs or unwelcome work misconduct. Edited May 1, 2018 by dezertbill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JoeF said: Not when you are the CEO. Its different. You will be seen as compromised by engaging in an internal relationship. That may be so if you're in a position of ultimate power and everyone is effectively a subordinate. But it's not always the case. And usually if it's disclosed right away, there is considerable discretion in terms of the company's response. Anyhow, we're still just speculating as to what actually happened. And sorry you've been through it. I can somewhat relate. Edited May 1, 2018 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 What an idiot. Especially when you consider the second in command, Kim, is a female and you don’t want to screw around w ladies at work when a female is running the show. Well, maybe now they can get away from St. John Fisher and move closer to home for training camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Stools Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Oh okay, was worried about it for a moment. This right here is the best the internet has to offer. Hats off to the genius that thought this up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: That may be so if you're in a position of ultimate power and everyone is effectively a subordinate. But it's not always the case. And usually if it's disclosed right away, there is considerable discretion in terms of the company's response. I was the President and CEO in my situation. Edited May 1, 2018 by JoeF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This puts Kim’s “best weekend ever” tweet into a whole new light No. It was further down the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobilz Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Creep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 39 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Wow! But, but, but, I don't have sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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