Lurker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, zow2 said: Well, maybe now they can get away from St. John Fisher and move closer to home for training camp. Why? That's been a brilliant success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Wow, dude. It’s really not that hard to figure out how to do the right thing. Tell me what Russ Brandon did that was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I am a student advisor at a university in California......I am surrounded by over 18 "tens" all day long that I advise and they are highly impressionable because of this..... In the 17 years I have been doing this job I have never ONCE had a relationship at my work....not even with another staff member. "dont @*$* where you work/eat" It's because people generally do not understand the concept of consent as it pertains to workplace relationships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, dezertbill said: Russ was a dynamic ad mind that kept this team's season ticket and marketing afloat for decades longer than it should have. And having hung out with him once upon a time, he was a really good dude. Isn't a guy on this board that wouldn't enjoy having a beer with him. Sad day. But in today's world (especially with a female owner) one that doesn't tolerate extra marital affairs or unwelcome work misconduct. Gross. Take your creepy 1950's mentality and get out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm not sure if the older folks will get a Killers reference. 29 minutes ago, fridge said: Good point. The average age of their fan base is around 34.5 years. I recognized it and I'm older than 34.5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Is she hot at least? Dick picz? Dig deeper - in @Deranged Rhino voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Tragic. This said, he’s the last vestige of the Wilson era and has been more involved with Sabres of late. Reason enough to fire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Just Jack said: I recognized it and I'm older than 34.5 Ah, an outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 39 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Other job related issues? He was no good at them? He was the leak to the media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Your brain is a Rube Goldberg machine Great reference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He is (was) an at will employee, and his employers did choose to fire him. That's their right, and one I support fully. I do not, however, in this environment, on the heels of a runaway #metoo movement built by individuals actively seeking to harm powerful men by pathologizing normal healthy male sexuality, trust anyone making this sort of decision unless they present evidence. I understand why you do, because we all know where your bread is buttered. P.S. I don't really care about your opinion about my "optics". I'm concerned with realities, not optics; and the reality is that this sort of thing happens far too frequently to men guilty of nothing more than being men; but they are presumed to be guilty of whatever they are charged with, and it's wrong. 'Normal' healthy male behavior consists of a shitload of things that are outlawed for the benefit of society. Been that way for a few millennia now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He is (was) an at will employee, and his employers did choose to fire him. That's their right, and one I support fully. I do not, however, in this environment, on the heels of a runaway #metoo movement built by individuals actively seeking to harm powerful men by pathologizing normal healthy male sexuality, trust anyone making this sort of decision unless they present evidence. I understand why you do, because we all know where your bread is buttered. P.S. I don't really care about your opinion about my "optics". I'm concerned with realities, not optics; and the reality is that this sort of thing happens far too frequently to men guilty of nothing more than being men; but they are presumed to be guilty of whatever they are charged with, and it's wrong. Yikes. For the record I stopped agreeing with you about 5 posts back... you've gone well off the rails. You were right when you said "we don't know what happened yet." Since then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: While I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion here, both because of Brandon's (some would say deserved) unpopularity amongst the fan base, and because of a rush by SJWs and those afraid to confront them, to assume the guilt of any man accused of misbehavior; before I celebrate steps towards the financial ruin of another human being, I'd like to hear/see the evidence, know how the investigation was conducted, and hear Brandon's side. Until then I stand opposed, on principle. People get all kind of stuff all mixed. If the man were a media figure being deep-6'd by accusations in the media, with no legal process, you might have a point. The man is an employee, employment at will. His employer conducted an internal investigation and terminated him as a result of its findings. Employers get to do that. It's their right as businesses to choose whom they will employ and define the conditions of employment, within very broad legal guidelines. I, you, and your little dog too have no right and no business with the details - no right to know how the investigation, no right to hear/see the evidence, and if Brandon is smart he'll keep his mouth shut and not tell his side, either. This is not an issue of "Social Justice Warriors and those afraid to confront them". This is long standing business practice and business employment law. If I had (avert) ever been investigated by an employer and asked to resign or terminated, it could be an egregious violation of my privacy and rights for the employer to release details. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I had a message starting this morning before lunch about it after hearing rumors before about him being unfaithful. I checked on these messages, no joke, with a girl I met on Tinder in Buffalo who is Uber hot and spent time with the team and she confirmed he was sleeping with half of Grand island. That alone was enough for me to wait a few more until more confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) It's impossible to know exactly what Brandon did, but I will say that the statement by the organization is strongly worded. Terms like "personal misconduct" don't often get bandied about in press releases like this. I think we're talking about something significantly worse than Russ just dating one or two girls who work for the organization. It's also worth noting that Brandon probably was NOT an employee-at-will, so in order to constitute cause for termination, the (mis)conduct that he was accused of probably had to rise to a higher level than would justify firing your typical employee. Edited May 1, 2018 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 What's the point of working by the water if you can't fish off the company dock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, mannc said: It's impossible to know exactly what Brandon did, but I will say that the statement by the organization is strongly worded. Terms like "personal misconduct" don't often get bandied about in press releases like this. I think we're talking about something significantly worse than Russ just dating one or two girls who work for the organization. It's also worth noting that Brandon probably was NOT an employee-at-will, so in order to constitute cause for termination, the (mis)conduct that he was accused of probably had to rise to a higher level than would justify firing you typical employee. Good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Jack Eichel new Bills and Sabres president. ...Josh Rosen.......retiring from 'Zona............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Boyst62 said: I had a message starting this morning before lunch about it after hearing rumors before about him being unfaithful. I checked on these messages, no joke, with a girl I met on Tinder in Buffalo who is Uber hot and spent time with the team and she confirmed he was sleeping with half of Grand island. That alone was enough for me to wait a few more until more confirmation. So hot that she drives for uber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, joesixpack said: One would have to assume it was a multiple time thing with the same woman. Otherwise, what impetus would there be for "resignation?" Like I said, Joe, in this environment I'm always hesitant to celebrate this sort of thing because it's always too one sided. Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be gone. I'm just saying that I'd want to know exactly why before I'd celebrate it. This shouldn't be controversial. 1 minute ago, mannc said: It's impossible to know exactly what Brandon did, but I will say that the statement by the organization is strongly worded. Terms like "personal misconduct" don't often get bandied about in press releases like this. I think we're talking about something significantly worse than Russ just dating one or two girls who work for the organization. It's also worth noting that Brandon probably was NOT an employee-at-will, so in order to constitute cause for termination, the (mis)conduct that he was accused of probably had to rise to a higher level than would justify firing you typical employee. This is fair, and should absolutely be part of the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Who will water the plants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Makes me wonder how long he was taking advantage of Ralph Wilson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rob's House said: What's the point of working by the water if you can't fish off the company dock? ...sure glad you were real careful with spelling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: actively seeking to harm powerful men by pathologizing normal healthy male sexuality, Spoken like a true man! People in the work place are not there for your sexual advances. Do that **** on your own time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Binghamton Beast said: Makes me wonder how long he was taking advantage of Ralph Wilson. Ohhhhh. I don't want that mental image AT ALL..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: 'Normal' healthy male behavior consists of a shitload of things that are outlawed for the benefit of society. Been that way for a few millennia now. Give me a list of things you feel are "normal healthy male behavior" on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Binghamton Beast said: Makes me wonder how long he was taking advantage of Ralph Wilson. You mean the marketing kid with a 1:1 ratio of rising power and Ralph's senility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Deranged rhino? Shes crazy and fat? :Facepalm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He is (was) an at will employee, and his employers did choose to fire him. That's their right, and one I support fully. I do not, however, in this environment, on the heels of a runaway #metoo movement built by individuals actively seeking to harm powerful men by pathologizing normal healthy male sexuality, trust anyone making this sort of decision unless they present evidence. I understand why you do, because we all know where your bread is buttered. P.S. I don't really care about your opinion about my "optics". I'm concerned with realities, not optics; and the reality is that this sort of thing happens far too frequently to men guilty of nothing more than being men; but they are presumed to be guilty of whatever they are charged with, and it's wrong. Could you expand on that statement? Would really like to hear more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: ... Other job-related issues that were uncovered. Sounds more than JUST job-related issues were "uncovered"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: Who will water the plants? That's Terry's job...He's sort of a Chauncey Gardiner type anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, JoeF said: Not fired, but it impacted a contract renewal and I decided to go off on my own... I owned it with my board, came completely clean and when the time came to extend my deal, I left. Its been a great decision to both own it and go off on my own, but I had to suck it up. Life is sometimes about understanding your own weaknesses, admitting them, asking for and getting help and moving on. It wasn't harassment but consensual in a unique situation. Neither party was married, but I was the senior executive. The standards are different. Aaah! A new definition for "high level business meetings". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, BillsFan692 said: Spoken like a true man! People in the work place are not there for your sexual advances. Do that **** on your own time. People are people first, wherever they are. I don't stop being a man, and a woman does not stop being a woman, no matter where we are; and in today's world we spend more time with the people we work with, at work, then we do anywhere else or with anyone else. Work makes up the overwhelming majority of most people's entire social circle. It is OK to make an advance towards someone you find attractive, even at work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: Like I said, Joe, in this environment I'm always hesitant to celebrate this sort of thing because it's always too one sided. Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be gone. I'm just saying that I'd want to know exactly why before I'd celebrate it. This shouldn't be controversial. This is where you always go off the rails. You pretend to demand objectivity yet you come into these discussions with an obvious (and harebrained) bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, mannc said: It's impossible to know exactly what Brandon did, but I will say that the statement by the organization is strongly worded. Terms like "personal misconduct" don't often get bandied about in press releases like this. I think we're talking about something significantly worse than Russ just dating one or two girls who work for the organization. It's also worth noting that Brandon probably was NOT an employee-at-will, so in order to constitute cause for termination, the (mis)conduct that he was accused of probably had to rise to a higher level than would justify firing your typical employee. No, it's not. I know exactly what it was that broke the camel's back. She is no longer employed at PSE, not even downtown the hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Man what a crazy week. Obviously we dont have much detail but if it was something egregious then good riddance. And if it was i applaud terry and kim for doing the right thing and getting rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Russ never should have been the GM of the Bills, but I appreciate his contributions and efforts in keeping the Bills in Buffalo. I do not know much of a role he really had in the sale process of the Bills, but he clearly was effective in marketing the Bills during some difficult times and poor teams. I am in no way defending or mitigating his actions, but I do think he was good at the primary responsibility of his job (marketing the Bills). Edited May 1, 2018 by jahnyc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lurker said: Ohhhhh. I don't want that mental image AT ALL..... Oh its there now. And I'm adding chocolate syrup to the image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I am not sure if the team stays in Buffalo with out Russ, maybe it would have but still I feel like he did a lot of behind the scenes stuff to keep the team in place . Other than that he was in over his head with every other aspect of the team except marketing. Let Kim take over put her stamp on things and move forward 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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