Hebert19 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Btw franchise means long term starter with multiple pro bowls for the same of this poll. I say 2...And that's it. I from the big 4 or 5 depending who you ask and one from later in draft like lauretta or Rudolph. Just because there are a lot of quarterbacks doesn't mean they are franchise. Edited April 20, 2018 by Hebert19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Btw franchise means long term starter with multiple pro bowls for the same of this poll. I say 2...And that's it. I from the big 4 or 5 depending who you ask and one from later in draft like lauretta or Rudolph. Just because there are a lot of quarterbacks doesn't mean they are franchise. Rosen, and either Darnold or Mayfield. That's about it IMO at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Darnold and Baker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Two. If the criteria is multiple pro bowls. Allen and Rosen. If the criteria is SB wins then one. Allen and Bills 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Rosen and Darnold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattstev Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I'll go high, I think this is going to be a special draft like 2004. I think we could get 4, it just most likely wont be all the top 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I am thinking 2 franchise guys (by the definition of super star carry your team types) and 2 solid starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I’ll take a stab at 3. Rosen; Darnold and Mayfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Two and one of the two won't be drafted in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankoElTanko Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’ll take a stab at 3. Rosen; Darnold and Mayfield. Me too. I think/hope (for our sake, if we take him) that Allen is productive however... I dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 My guess is Mayfield, Rosen, and some other random QB that is taken outside the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I think there will be at least four. I believe 3 of the top 5 will pan out as franchise guys. So out of Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson, three will become good and two will fail. I think Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield (unless he goes to the Jets) will become franchise guys. I also think another franchise QB will come from White, Lauletta, and Rudolph out of the second day. There may even be another sleeper from the rest of the field like Woodside or Litton that becomes a franchise guy as well. I am predicting a 60% success rate in round 1, 30 % in round 2, 12.5% success rate for the rest of the prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 or less - I'm not sold on any of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 2004 produced 3 (Eli, Rivers, and Big Ben) and 2012 somewhat anonymously produced 3 (Luck- when healthy, Wilson, and Cousins). And then 2004’s Schaub was similar to 2012’s Tannehill in that both haven’t/didn’t become franchise QB’s but still experienced some success. So there’s a precedent for 3 franchise guys and one other still reasonably success QB. Shoot, by that standard 1983 produced 3 franchise QB’s (Elway, Kelly, and Marino) with Ken O’Brien as that class’ Schaub/Tannehill. I’ll say that’s what this class produces, too, with placement still critical in determining who emerges and who underwhelms/disappoints. Edited April 20, 2018 by Midwest1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 will be in HOF some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Matters not as long as we get one. And ours doesn't necessarily have to be the starter early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I honestly believe 3. Just like the 2004 draft all over again. Only this time, I hope the Bills get the future HOFer instead of the JP Losman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 hours ago, billspro said: I think there will be at least four. I believe 3 of the top 5 will pan out as franchise guys. So out of Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson, three will become good and two will fail. I think Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield (unless he goes to the Jets) will become franchise guys. I also think another franchise QB will come from White, Lauletta, and Rudolph out of the second day. There may even be another sleeper from the rest of the field like Woodside or Litton that becomes a franchise guy as well. I am predicting a 60% success rate in round 1, 30 % in round 2, 12.5% success rate for the rest of the prospects. Nice post and good point. I go back and forth between three and four, but not all of the big four. I have a good feeling (guess) about Mayfield. Rosen if he stays healthy, but that's a big if. It's all guesswork but yours is thoughtful and smart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 What are the winning lotto numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: What are the winning lotto numbers? 7-7-7-7-7 Trust me. I'm a guy on the internet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: Just like the 2004 draft all over again. i saw a post from you earlier about this. Eli, of course. Big Ben, of course. but Rivers? Why? i thought part of being a "franchise QB" is winning and keeping your team "in the mix" every year. He's played 14 years and made the playoffs 4 times. Once every 3 1/2 years. Heck, even Hotrod makes the playoffs more often than that Edited April 21, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I said 3, my 3 are Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: i saw a post from you earlier about this. Eli, of course. Big Ben, of course. but Rivers? Why? i thought part of being a "franchise QB" is winning and keeping your team "in the mix" every year. He's played 14 years and made the playoffs 4 times. Once every 3 1/2 years. Heck, even Hotrod makes the playoffs more often than that This has been said, correctly, approximately seven million times. Winning is not a QB thing. It's a team thing, every time. What a QB can do is play QB extremely well. With a crappy team around him that won't be enough. Rivers is terrific. His team has been terrible. He is absolutely a franchise QB, a top ten guy. On the Steelers he might have won more titles than Roethlisberger. What a franchise guy does is give your team a chance every year. A chance. But if your GM and coach consistently put a bad team around him, that chance will go for naught. And no, Hotrod doesn't make the playoffs more than that. The Buffalo Bills made the playoffs one of three years with Hotrod at QB. The Buffalo Bills did. And the Ravens won a Super Bowl with him. Wasn't really him, or Flacco, that gets the credit, though. It's the Ravens. The QB is the foundation without which it's extremely unlikely to win a title. But not the only thing necessary to win a title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Odds say 1 or less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield, and 1 other person picked later. So 50% shot with top 4 guys and then who knows who else out of the rest so like a less than 10% chance if you don't go for one of the top picks. Much better odds if we can get a guy at the top. Must trade up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I think historically speaking the over / under should be 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Btw franchise means long term starter with multiple pro bowls for the same of this poll. I say 2...And that's it. I from the big 4 or 5 depending who you ask and one from later in draft like lauretta or Rudolph. Just because there are a lot of quarterbacks doesn't mean they are franchise. Based on you definition- I think at least 3 or 4 - so I will go with 3. At least 2 of the top 4 guys and one additional from the lower ranks. I mean guys like Andy Dalton and Matt Schaub fit that criteria. Heck TT is close with 1 PB and a 3 year starter in Buffalo. Even Vince Young is a multi time ProBowler that played 5 seasons for Tennessee. Interestingly (at least to me) Matt Stafford does not fit this criteria as he has only 1 ProBowl I believe. I think there are at least 3 guys easily that can hit this especially as several guys that go yearly - Brady, Brees, Manning are on the way out. It would not shock me if 5 guys ended up fitting this description from this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: This has been said, correctly, approximately seven million times. Winning is not a QB thing. It's a team thing, every time. What a QB can do is play QB extremely well. With a crappy team around him that won't be enough. Rivers is terrific. His team has been terrible. He is absolutely a franchise QB, a top ten guy. On the Steelers he might have won more titles than Roethlisberger. What a franchise guy does is give your team a chance every year. A chance. But if your GM and coach consistently put a bad team around him, that chance will go for naught. And no, Hotrod doesn't make the playoffs more than that. The Buffalo Bills made the playoffs one of three years with Hotrod at QB. The Buffalo Bills did. And the Ravens won a Super Bowl with him. Wasn't really him, or Flacco, that gets the credit, though. It's the Ravens. The QB is the foundation without which it's extremely unlikely to win a title. But not the only thing necessary to win a title. Flacco is another interesting name because he was a rookie of the year, a Super Bowl MVP, holds a bunch of Baltimore and a few NFL records for regular and post season play, but does not fit the criteria due to a lack of ProBowls. The ProBowl piece is the part that is hard to guesstimate in this as it is such a popularity contest over meaning something. It is just fascinating to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I’m saying three. Odd men out are mayfield Allen and Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I still think this will be the best QB draft ever (to date of course). Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Rudolph, White, Jackson, Luletta, Mayfield, Falk, etc.... Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Only one , Riley Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 16 hours ago, joesixpack said: I’m saying three. Odd men out are mayfield Allen and Jackson I think one of these 3 end up being " franchise" and either Rosen or Darnold bombs. It rarely goes the way the " experts" say it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Nice post and good point. I go back and forth between three and four, but not all of the big four. I have a good feeling (guess) about Mayfield. Rosen if he stays healthy, but that's a big if. It's all guesswork but yours is thoughtful and smart. The assessment of 3 made by billspro that 3 of the top QBs from this draft will become franchise QBs is reasonable based on his statistical analysis, but it does not speak to key points which is critical to Bills making choices in this years draft. Specifically: If we take it as true 3 of these drafted QBs become franchise players: 1. how many of these 3 only finally achieve franchise status after wearing out their welcome with the team which drafted them and improve to the franchise level after being traded or cut? Even if the braintrust makes a correct assessment of franchise talent, this great player may well need to learn the game fully by making and learning from rookie mistakes? My guess is that even if the Bills scouts make a quality assessment and choice of QBs, this great QB has to drag behind him the anchor of a Bills team which badly needs 2 Lbs, a WR, an OL starting talent (or 2 if Incognito continues to blow up) and a solid youth injection into our aging roster. If we have to trade 2+ 1sts to get a top QB, I thibk that is a bad deal for us. 2. Given the horrible way we "trained" Peierman, my confidence in McD as a team builder and game manager is high EXCEPT his Bills team simply suck at O play design and game calling. I like our chances much better if instead of the greater risk of a rookie becoming the franchise guy we need that instead we get our salary cap together as we plan for 2019 and then bid fir next year's version of FAs llike Peyton Manning or Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, KingRex said: The assessment of 3 made by billspro that 3 of the top QBs from this draft will become franchise QBs is reasonable based on his statistical analysis, but it does not speak to key points which is critical to Bills making choices in this years draft. Specifically: If we take it as true 3 of these drafted QBs become franchise players: 1. how many of these 3 only finally achieve franchise status after wearing out their welcome with the team which drafted them and improve to the franchise level after being traded or cut? Even if the braintrust makes a correct assessment of franchise talent, this great player may well need to learn the game fully by making and learning from rookie mistakes? My guess is that even if the Bills scouts make a quality assessment and choice of QBs, this great QB has to drag behind him the anchor of a Bills team which badly needs 2 Lbs, a WR, an OL starting talent (or 2 if Incognito continues to blow up) and a solid youth injection into our aging roster. If we have to trade 2+ 1sts to get a top QB, I thibk that is a bad deal for us. 2. Given the horrible way we "trained" Peierman, my confidence in McD as a team builder and game manager is high EXCEPT his Bills team simply suck at O play design and game calling. I like our chances much better if instead of the greater risk of a rookie becoming the franchise guy we need that instead we get our salary cap together as we plan for 2019 and then bid fir next year's version of FAs llike Peyton Manning or Cousins. Well, of course the player may need to learn the game fully by making and learning from rookie mistakes. Just not necessarily in their rookie year. Did Tom Brady need to make his rookie mistakes in his rookie year in order to learn the game fully? Drew Brees? Aaron Rodgers? All three, the best in the game took their rookie years off. Some guys don't necessarily need a year off. Some teams might need their young guy to play. But it wouldn't hurt anyone to take a year off. Next year's version of FAs like Peyton Manning or Cousins are entirely imaginary. They don't exist in reality. They'll be guys like Foles and Brissett, Cutler if he hasn't retired, Yates, Osweiler, EJ Manuel. Bryce Petty, maybe. Siemian. Hundley. If you're really lucky and the Ravens draft someone early this year and he pays off, maybe Flacco might be available. Those are next year's versions of Peyton Manning or Cousins. Guys like those two come around very very occasionally. It's not a mistake you had to go back six years to find your second example, Manning. Edited April 22, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) I pick 4. IMO these 4 will be franchise worthy for many years. I do not think more then 4 will be franchise worthy though. My 4 is of course the top 3 and then a projected late 1st rounder. Darnold, Rosen,Mayfield and Rudolph. Edited April 22, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I’d say at least 3 maybe a 4th low end franchise qb. I also believe there will be at least 5-6 capable quarterbacks from this draft (at least capable of being a top end backup). The class is very deep and there will be a few surprise players like a Rudolph, Falk, Lauletta, White etc. beyond the top 5 that are most discussed. Plus, the top 5 qbs have serious potential. In the end, Bills will get a qb. Just hope it’s the right one for our franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 If Vegas had an over/under # of 2 I would choose over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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