Alphadawg7 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 12 and 22 > 23 and 31 And no team wants to "help" the Pats have longevity after Brady is gone. So by default, our offer on equal ground has more chance to be accepted than the Pats...and our picks are better anyway like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Obviously the pats are making a move here and i think if the jets and pats come away with their guy and we dont im done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I'm not a "I quit on the team guy". That being said, if Beane sits on these picks and watches the Jets and Pats move in to take QBs, I quit. If he does that, and McCarron isn’t THE GUY, then OBD will be quitting on Beane and McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: Bad move. They win just fine without him and he has one year left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: That's what I'm waiting for. Dolphins trade #11 / 2019 1st / 2020 1st for #2 to break any time now. Then Pats trade Gronk / 23 / 31 / 2019 1st for #4. Meanwhile, Beane pokers himself into Mason Rudolph at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: And no team wants to "help" the Pats have longevity after Brady is gone. So by default, our offer on equal ground has more chance to be accepted than the Pats...and our picks are better anyway like you said. Just because we have "better" picks doesn't mean we have equal willingness to get it done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Is this where I whine? Wanted to make sure i was in the right thread. Oy vey... O_o Let. It. Play. Out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Lol YOLO. Don't start that fight. They all gonna show up. Edited April 3, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: That's what I'm waiting for. Dolphins trade #11 / 2019 1st / 2020 1st for #2 to break any time now. Then Pats trade Gronk / 23 / 31 / 2019 1st for #4. Meanwhile, Beane pokers himself into Mason Rudolph at 12. That would be the billsy outcome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: No FN way! Cmon Bean get something done now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Just because we have "better" picks doesn't mean we have equal willingness to get it done. Point is, we have better and more ammo. So if the draft slot is available, we will have a better shot at landing it. Of course, a team can include more picks to make a better offer, but any trade up is going to take both our first rounders to get into the top 5...and our 2 firsts are better than the Pats. So all this panic is pointless. We can outbid them if we truly want to move to that spot and see the player as worth the cost. This Pats trade LITERALLY changes nothing in terms of our ability to trade up. We have the ammo to spend if Beane deems it worth it, and the Pats trade did not change that. Edited April 3, 2018 by Alphadawg7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 All the talk about getting it done now is silly. The Giants want to wait to see what happens with #1 first. Draft day is going to be bonkers for everybody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 The highest their two first rounders get them is 7. Licht from Tampa has some ties to New England, so who knows. But even in that scenario New England will have to play wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 12 and 22 > 23 and 31 Reason is not welcome here. Can't you see we're doomed?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Point is, we have better and more ammo. So if the draft slot is available, we will have a better shot at landing it. Of course, a team can include more picks to make a better offer, we any trade up is going to take both our first rounders to get into the top 5...and our 2 firsts are better than the Pats. So all this panic is pointless. We can outbid them if we truly want to move to that spot and see the cost as worth the player. This Pats trade LITERALLY changes nothing in terms of our ability to trade up. We have the ammo to spend if Beane deems it worth it, and the Pats trade did not change that. One more move for a pick in the 7-10 range that Beane said he's not willing to make currently could flip that equation pretty quickly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 what if beane already has a plan in place with gettleman? spec·u·la·tion ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun 1. the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: One more move for a pick in the 7-10 range that Beane said he's not willing to make currently could flip that equation pretty quickly. Or the trading of Gronk and 2/3/4 into 7-10 can get them 3 #1s... Edited April 3, 2018 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Point is, we have better and more ammo. So if the draft slot is available, we will have a better shot at landing it. Of course, a team can include more picks to make a better offer, but any trade up is going to take both our first rounders to get into the top 5...and our 2 firsts are better than the Pats. So all this panic is pointless. We can outbid them if we truly want to move to that spot and see the cost as worth the player. This Pats trade LITERALLY changes nothing in terms of our ability to trade up. We have the ammo to spend if Beane deems it worth it, and the Pats trade did not change that. It could increase the price if Pats are going all in on getting into the top 5. At this point the price don't matter, Beane showed his hand when trading away TT so just part with the picks and get the guy you want. The thing that is being missed here is that the Pats have shown the ability to develop a QB. Allen really fits the bill for them and he might slide a bit which could make it possible for NE to get where they need to. That worries me a bit. Edited April 3, 2018 by Commonsense 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Can you imagine the backlash if the dealt Brady’s top WR (arguable, I guess) for a future QB in the last days of the best QB ever, after losing so much in the free agency period and, even before that, needing so much on D? This is about the final run and beefing up, not rebuilding. A QB in the second or later? I can buy it, but they aren’t competitors for our guy, whichever one of the four it is. Edited April 3, 2018 by N.Y. Orangeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I'm not a "I quit on the team guy". That being said, if Beane sits on these picks and watches the Jets and Pats move in to take QBs, I quit. Panic set in quick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 minute ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: Can you imagine the backlash is Brady’s top WR (arguable, I guess) for a future QB in the last days of the best QB ever, after losing so much in the free agency period and, even before that, needing so much on D? This is about the final run and beefing up, not rebuilding. Cooks isn't a winner. He is a complimentary player at best and does nothing on the inside of the field where Brady and McDaniels make their hay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 35 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 12 and 22 > 23 and 31 They have a couple of twos, like us. We also have a couple 3’s. And who’s pick in the same round next year would you rather have? GET THIS RIGHT! Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: what if beane already has a plan in place with gettleman? spec·u·la·tion ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun 1. the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence. Then he's a moron for not finalizing it and allowing the Giants to continue to negotiate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The Rams are going to want to pay Todd Gurley, Marcus Peters, Brandin Cooks, Lamarcus Joyner, and Aaron Donald. Without breaking the bank so bad they can't pay Goff in a few years. Uhhhhh good luck with that one. Oh well there's always the draft... ahhh right. Yea they are completely ignoring their future for success . This is Eagles dream team all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: Then he's a moron for not finalizing it and allowing the Giants to continue to negotiate. right. that's it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 Mike RodakVerified account @mikerodak 40s41 seconds ago More Total value of 1st and 2nd round picks, AFC East, using traditional trade chart: BUF (12, 21, 53, 56) 2,710 NYJ (3): 2,200 NE (23, 31, 43, 63): 2,106 MIA (11, 42): 1,730 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 I see the whiny overreacting ninny's are out in full force. This draft cannot come soon enough. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Gronk + 23 +31 for pick #4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: And no team wants to "help" the Pats have longevity after Brady is gone. So by default, our offer on equal ground has more chance to be accepted than the Pats...and our picks are better anyway like you said. I doubt the Pats are going to trade away a bunch of picks to move up for a qb. They'll use those picks to add to the roster on both sides of the ball. If they draft a qb it will be with one of the picks they already have. When a team deals with the Pats or any team it has little regard for what it will do for the other teams. The only concern is how will the transaction help them. My sense of this deal from a Ram perspective is that they want to take advantage of Goff while he is under his first contract. The Pats are always thinking ahead. They have shed some expensive veteran players and will soon replenish them with younger and cheaper talent. Don't be surprised if the Pats draft Gronk's replacement this year and also draft a second-tier qb ala Garappolo in this draft. Edited April 4, 2018 by JohnC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Certainly possible. I think again the Pats offense makes some sense for Rudolph. If they take a Quarterback in the 1st it tells me that Brady is playing his final year. I agree about Rudolph & I think they might like this guy also--- Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, Heitz said: Is this where I whine? Wanted to make sure i was in the right thread. Oy vey... O_o Let. It. Play. Out. All threads are for whining especially if you are promises to stop following the Bills if the front office does not do what you want. I'd be all for it IF the Stadium Wall front office would enforce these promises even if it means another 17 years without a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 wonder how many here can make it to draft day? based on the few reactions in this thread I would say some wont make it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 I highly doubt they are going to trade away everything for a QB. They just don’t want to pay Cooks. They are loading up for another run with Tom. They will take Lauletta in the 2nd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nihilarian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 36 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Going to make a play for Rudolph perhaps? This is what first came into my mind too. Both the Steelers and Patriots have been frothing all over this kid. As others have noted I kinda doubt they have the ammo to move into the top 5 considering they are always choosing near last. Then again they could be going for another WR like Calvin Ridley, DJ Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Obj would be a nightmare in that system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Nihilarian said: This is what first came into my mind too. Both the Steelers and Patriots have been frothing all over this kid. As others have noted I kinda doubt they have the ammo to move into the top 5 considering they are always choosing near last. Then again they could be going for another WR like Calvin Ridley, DJ Moore. Don't ever discount what the Pat's could do if need be. How on this green earth do they get what they got for Cooks? I mean how do they pull off half of what they do? Believe me if the Pat's want to move up they will find a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: They need OT, CB and DL help. I think they are reloading for the last run. As they should be, but that doesn’t sound like a QB who will ride the pine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 12 and 22 > 23 and 31 True....but the Pats can now make it very expensive for the Bills to move up. Wouldn't put it past BB to drive up the price on Rosen for the Bills just for ***** and giggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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