Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). Edited January 27, 2018 by Ittakestime 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 So....you’re a big fan? Context is missing on all of that. Context can be very important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Bills make playoffs, break 17-year drought <drops the mike>. 6 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Bills make playoffs, break 17-year drought <drops the mike>. So you really think Beane was the reason the Bills made the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 How many drafts has he been the main guy in charge? Is this thread a joke? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: So you really think Beane was the reason the Bills made the playoffs? It was actually McBeane. They put the players together that got us over the hump. They have to be given credit for that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 And the OP's username was what again? LAMP 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: It was actually McBeane. They put the players together that got us over the hump. They have to be given credit for that. Besides what players I listed above, what players did Beane bring onto this team? He didn't hire the coaches, didn't sign the top FA (Poyer, Haush, Hyde), and didn't draft the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Would I have liked to have Watkins, Darius, Ragland, Seymore, and Darby against the Jags for the playoff game? Yes. Especially Darius and Watkins. Would we have made the playoffs with those good players on the roster? Not sure. Forgot trade for KB. In hindsight, I'll take the playoff appearance as well as KB and the stock pile of draft picks going into next year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Would I have liked to have Watkins, Darius, Ragland, Seymore, and Darby against the Jags for the playoff game? Yes. Especially Darius and Watkins. Would we have made the playoffs with those good players on the roster? Not sure. Forgot trade for KB. In hindsight, I'll take the playoff appearance as well as KB and the stock pile of draft picks going into next year. You are correct about KB, I will add. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: Besides what players I listed above, what players did Beane bring onto this team? He didn't hire the coaches, didn't sign the top FA (Poyer, Haush, Hyde), and didn't draft the players. You're so close to finding the point on your own. Keep pushing. I believe in you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: And the OP's username was what again? LAMP Pretty ironic. Welcome to the melenial world of instant gratification. Damn it Beane, you should've won a SB your first year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year So, another Negative Nellie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Valid and true. I'd like to add Darby was for Matthews and KB Gaines was 9-4 in lineup. 17-13 is 4 games missed. We got a stud LT with our 2nd last year, if we got another stud player,we easily win that trade. Dareus was a straight money move. Wood was pure bad luck. Can't see that coming. Every GM has hits and misses. Gotta hit more than miss Edited January 27, 2018 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Quick review: Playoff appearances with Dareus, Sammy, Darby, Kevon, Clay Clay, Rags - 0 Playoff appearances without them - 1 It was addition by subtraction. They did not fit into the team dynamic McBeane was trying to instill here. I was a huge detractor of McBeane, but the results have won me over. THEY MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT THE DEAD WEIGHT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Quick review: Playoff appearances with Dareus, Sammy, Darby, Kevon, Clay Clay, Rags - 0 Playoff appearances without them - 1 It was addition by subtraction. They did not fit into the team dynamic McBeane was trying to instill here. I was a huge detractor of McBeane, but the results have won me over. THEY MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT THE DEAD WEIGHT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! few more key pieces and they can make a run at being a contender consistently? of course, it takes time. Edited January 27, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Beane picked right up where "Whaley" left off trading in the first round with Kansas City instead of.....ya' know......reaching out to QB-destitute Houston? and costing themselves the #4 pick in the draft..........and not picking up the Watkins 5th year option then selling him low........which did huge damage to the Bills 2017 offense and SW was poised for a huge year, which in a weak WR draft like this one, he'd be worth at least a late first round pick in trade instead of a late second rounder if you needed trade capital. This is really about McD's call on these issues. It's more than unlikely that Whaley would have wanted to pass on SW's 5th year option if it were up to him. We know McD's connection to Andy Reid was most likely how KC got that 1st round deal and the subsequent Ragland deal hooked up. They certainly didn't win 9 games because of any moves once Beane arrived......if anything they did it in spite of those moves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). signed a couple decent backup RB's during the season. Did he sign Deonte thompson? if so, not a bad move. It's ridiculous to overly criticize Beane at the juncture of his time as GM. Give him this offseason of free agency and drafting and let's see how the team performs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Gaines and a 2nd for Watkins? Bills have definitely gotten the better of that trade so far. Gaines was a much more valuable player for us than Watkins was for them. Plus who knows what the 2nd round pick will net. Darby wasn't a scheme fit, we heard that all year. So that was another decent trade, not as good as the Gaines and a 2nd for Watkins but a good one none the less. Ragland, we'll see. He looked good against us. I always was a fan of Ragland but he wasn't the type of MLB that McD wanted which is someone who will be able to cover a lot of ground and would also be good against the pass. But again, he did look good. Dareus, well. He certainly wasn't playing at a high level with the Bills over the past couple years and he is one strike away from being suspended for a very long time. But man did he look good against the Patriots, the kind of player that we saw a few years ago. One part of me wants to see him do well and another would hate to see him regain form for Jacksonville. They wanted to shed salary cap room for 2019 and beyond and they didn't believe he was going to regain form and he wasn't the kind of player they wanted. We'll see how that pans out. The true measure of Beane will be this off season. It is arguably one of the most critical off season's we have had in a long time and his prints will be all over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Would I have liked to have Watkins, Darius, Ragland, Seymore, and Darby against the Jags for the playoff game? Yes. Especially Darius and Watkins. Would we have made the playoffs with those good players on the roster? Not sure. Forgot trade for KB. In hindsight, I'll take the playoff appearance as well as KB and the stock pile of draft picks going into next year. We were 9-7 a few years back and everyone viewed that as terrible. This year we had the same record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Quick review: Playoff appearances with Dareus, Sammy, Darby, Kevon, Clay Clay, Rags - 0 Playoff appearances without them - 1 It was addition by subtraction. They did not fit into the team dynamic McBeane was trying to instill here. I was a huge detractor of McBeane, but the results have won me over. THEY MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT THE DEAD WEIGHT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! Sooooo I think there is reason to be optimistic but likewise cautious with that. Making the playoffs isn’t near the accomplishment that it feels like this January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Beane picked right up where "Whaley" left off trading in the first round with Kansas City instead of.....ya' know......reaching out to QB-destitute Houston? and costing themselves the #4 pick in the draft..........and not picking up the Watkins 5th year option then selling him low........which did huge damage to the Bills 2017 offense and SW was poised for a huge year, which in a weak WR draft like this one, he'd be worth at least a late first round pick in trade instead of a late second rounder if you needed trade capital. This is really about McD's call on these issues. It's more than unlikely that Whaley would have wanted to pass on SW's 5th year option if it were up to him. We know McD's connection to Andy Reid was most likely how KC got that 1st round deal and the subsequent Ragland deal hooked up. They certainly didn't win 9 games because of any moves once Beane arrived......if anything they did it in spite of those moves. The trade with KC was made by Whaley and McD. Beane was not even with the team as yet. KC used that pick for Mahomes and now the Bills are supposedly prepared to package that pick, their current pick and probably a few othefs to move up and grab one of the QBs left over after Darnold and Rosen are gone. Very Billsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Dumb list filled with inaccurate statements, but what takes the cake is mentioning Wood in that list. That's just ignorant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I didn't like the Dareus trade. Besides that, I am Ok with the other moves. Got to give him a few years, because the draft will determine if Beane is a good GM or not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertig0 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Begin rant. I haven't even read the rest of the thread yet but, seriously?! The influx of complete morons, which I assume is from the BBMB closing, is absolutely astounding. Here I am, thinking that the Sabres boards were bad. Nope. We make the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and the trolls are still here, and predominantly moreso. This might be my only post for the next 6 months because I don't post often, but honestly, how f'ing pathetic...utterly pathetic... is your life if you (a) get joy out of trolling a message board; and/or (b) honestly have this opinion after making the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and nearly beating an AFC championship team. It's like having your first child and saying "ugh, you're going to disappoint me so many times in the future with poor decisions, why did I even do this? Mistake." Get a freaking life. Too many of these posts lately. Rant over. Edited January 27, 2018 by Saosin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Bills make playoffs, break 17-year drought <drops the mike>. BOOM !! <mic explodes> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: Sooooo I think there is reason to be optimistic but likewise cautious with that. Making the playoffs isn’t near the accomplishment that it feels like this January. <sigh> McBeane did something that Butler/Phillips, Donahoe/Greggggg/Mularkey, Marvcus/Jauron, Brandon/Jauron, Nix/Gailey/Maroon, Whaley/Maroon, and Whaley/Ryan were unable to do. They made the playoffs. With a draft that Whaley influenced before he was fired. They deserve credit for that. I can't wait to see them draft players that fit into their team image. They've proven that they know how to build a team. I'm not sure what else you guys want from them. At this point, crying over Sammy, Dareus, et al, is sour grapes. They made the playoffs without those guys, without their on-field talent. That tells me that their off-field behavior was having a detrimental effect on the team. McBeane recognized it, shipped them out, we made the playoffs. If you're not going to give them credit for that, I got nothing left to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Hey ‘ittakestime ‘ let’s see what those pics amount too before we pass judgement. Eh never mind, let’s hope they turn out to be busts and the Bills stink for 17 years...that’s our comfort zone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). For this alone you are a moron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, fansince88 said: For this alone you are a moron What was the point of extending wood last year? It's not even like we got him on the cheap for extending him early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). Ironic name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: What was the point of extending wood last year? It's not even like we got him on the cheap for extending him early The man is 1 hit from being a vegetable and you want to bring this up as if Beane is to blame. NO WAY YOU ARE A BILLS FAN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: <sigh> McBeane did something that Butler/Phillips, Donahoe/Greggggg/Mularkey, Marvcus/Jauron, Brandon/Jauron, Nix/Gailey/Maroon, Whaley/Maroon, and Whaley/Ryan were unable to do. They made the playoffs. With a draft that Whaley influenced before he was fired. They deserve credit for that. I can't wait to see them draft players that fit into their team image. They've proven that they know how to build a team. I'm not sure what else you guys want from them. At this point, crying over Sammy, Dareus, et al, is sour grapes. They made the playoffs without those guys, without their on-field talent. That tells me that their off-field behavior was having a detrimental effect on the team. McBeane recognized it, shipped them out, we made the playoffs. If you're not going to give them credit for that, I got nothing left to say. Where we vary is I didn’t change my view based on whether or not the bengals made the comeback in week 17 when evaluating the bills season — playoffs are fun for a fan but a mediocre benchmark for a demarcation between success and failure or ranking teams across years. the 2017 bills were decent but nothing exceptional compared to many years. I don’t mean that as a big knock on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Beane moved players who were under-producing for the Bills and not trusting the process, and gained draft picks, good players, and cap space. And they made the playoffs. Wait, what are you bitching about again? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Beane moved players who were under-producing for the Bills and not trusting the process, and gained draft picks, good players, and cap space. And they made the playoffs. Wait, what are you bitching about again? He doesn't like it. The process is taking too much time for him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, fansince88 said: He doesn't like it. The process is taking too much time for him...... You know, he's right. They should have won the SB by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Beane, like most any other GM's, will have his fate decided by the QB he tabs as the future of the franchise. His other moves have been decent thus far. I wasn't a fan of trading Dareus nor Sammy at the time, but I understood. We'll see what happens in the next 4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: What was the point of extending wood last year? It's not even like we got him on the cheap for extending him early It’s not what you are saying it’s the timing and delivery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). And saved a ton of cap space while unloading players who lack the grit McBeane is looking for. All that great talent we lost and made the playoffs without them when we couldn't make it with them. Addition by subtraction in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Thank you for posting this, because some people on this board think this guy is doing a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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