2018 Draft Prospects Who Have Met with the Bills - Pre-Draft Visits are Done

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

100% You are forced to pay them.  Stafford, Tannehil, and Dalton are all examples as well.  Buffalo is not forced to sign Cousins.  Flacco had a great year when he won the Superbowl.  He carried them into the Superbowl.  Bortles has put up big numbers in the league.  So i think they are comparable.  They are in the next teir of Qbs.  Cousins is not Brady, Brees, Rodgers.  He is also not Wilson, Big Ben, Rivers and Ryan.  Then the young guys like Wentz, Geoff, Prescott, and Watson have loads of potential.  I put Cousins in with Dalton, Stafford, Flacco, Manning, and Tannehill.  Do you want to pay Cousins as much or probably more than everyone I just said?  I do not.

 

5 Years from now a Qb that was drafted here I think you have to sign him if he is in that range.  I dont think Cousins is ever going to be in the conversation with Big Ben and Ryan.

I think McCarron is similar to Cousins, and younger and cheaper. He is an rfa right now but has filed a grievance to become a UFA and will find out 2/15. I would like to  find a way to get him, plus draft one. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think McCarron is similar to Cousins, and younger and cheaper. He is an rfa right now but has filed a grievance to become a UFA and will find out 2/15. I would like to  find a way to get him, plus draft one. 

I think McCarron is in a special group of guys like Watson, Garoppolo, and even Keenum. Small sample size. Need to prove more.

 

Cousins has proven what he is already. A mid level QB that can occasionally up his game. 

[Blokestradamus]

6 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Good to see you back, Blokes.

 

Some of us were wondering where you had disappeared too.

 

Thanks, Mark. I'd love to say that I'm some International Man of Mystery but the truth is far less glamourous

[MrEpsYtown]

I doesn't seem like visits mean a whole lot with this regime. With Whaley and Nix it was pretty easy to narrow it down to like 3 guys we were going to pick. Like when the entire world knew we were going to draft Kelvin Sheppard that one year. Preston Brown and John Miller were pretty obvious as well. 

 

I felt like last year I had no idea who we were going to pick. I know we met with Peterman but we met with the other quarterbacks as well and the Jones connection was kind of obvious. But I don't remember having White or Dawkinsn on the radar. I guess I'm trying to train myself to pay less attention to the pre draft visits and meetings. 

[Mark Vader]

48 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

Thanks, Mark. I'd love to say that I'm some International Man of Mystery but the truth is far less glamourous

No problem.

 

If you had said that you've been busy tracking all the kids in Pop Warner Football, and making theories as to which High schools they will attend, thus leading to which Colleges they will sign their letter of intent too.....I think we would all believe you.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

8 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

I have a question for everyone that says paying Cousins is too much. Let's say the Bills draft a QB and he turns out to be a Cousins like QB. Is everyone under the impression his contract will be cheap for his entire career? Sooner or later you will have to back up the truck and pay your QB. I rather pay Cousins 100M over Mario or Dareus and I liked those guys.

Agree 100%.

[Ol Dirty B]

13 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

Here's an article written by Brian Billick from 2014, worth a read for the discussion you're having as it presents both sides, but does come to his own conclusion:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000388507/article/firstround-quarterbacks-should-start-from-day-1-in-todays-nfl

 

 

 

I'm not opposed to starting a guy day 1... I think it just shows that if you're going to draft a guy, he should be ready or it's not worth it.

 

Watson, the best QB in this years draft so far, although it is very early. Wouldn't be considered a day 1 starter. I really think it's about the specific QB at hand, not a set rule. But yes, more guys who start day 1 in my opinion are likely to be better as those are the best prospects. Extrapolate this beyond game 1 starters from the first round, you get Carr and Wilson in there and I'm sure a few others who end up being good because they outperformed the competition in the off season.

[Mat68]

32 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm not opposed to starting a guy day 1... I think it just shows that if you're going to draft a guy, he should be ready or it's not worth it.

 

Watson, the best QB in this years draft so far, although it is very early. Wouldn't be considered a day 1 starter. I really think it's about the specific QB at hand, not a set rule. But yes, more guys who start day 1 in my opinion are likely to be better as those are the best prospects. Extrapolate this beyond game 1 starters from the first round, you get Carr and Wilson in there and I'm sure a few others who end up being good because they outperformed the competition in the off season.

That one is on Obrien.  He pulled the starter of halftime of the first game.  Wataon should have been the starter.  But really with Qbs you know what ya got from the first handful of games.  Can you handle adversity?  Win games you shouldnt?  Move your team consistently. .

[BigDingus]

Please, anyone but Allen or Rudolph... please, please, please!

C'mon guys...don't get infatuated with size and look.

[YoloinOhio]

10 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Please, anyone but Allen or Rudolph... please, please, please!

C'mon guys...don't get infatuated with size and look.

So many jokes, so little time 

[section122]

20 hours ago, Mat68 said:

100% You are forced to pay them.  Stafford, Tannehil, and Dalton are all examples as well.  Buffalo is not forced to sign Cousins.  Flacco had a great year when he won the Superbowl.  He carried them into the Superbowl.  Bortles has put up big numbers in the league.  So i think they are comparable.  They are in the next teir of Qbs.  Cousins is not Brady, Brees, Rodgers.  He is also not Wilson, Big Ben, Rivers and Ryan.  Then the young guys like Wentz, Geoff, Prescott, and Watson have loads of potential.  I put Cousins in with Dalton, Stafford, Flacco, Manning, and Tannehill.  Do you want to pay Cousins as much or probably more than everyone I just said?  I do not.

 

5 Years from now a Qb that was drafted here I think you have to sign him if he is in that range.  I dont think Cousins is ever going to be in the conversation with Big Ben and Ryan.

 

That is a strange list to me.  Stafford is clearly the best qb in that group.  Flacco is worse than Tyrod.  Eli is on his way down and also performing worse that TT.  Dalton is somewhere on par with Tyrod.  Tannehill also about on par with Tyrod.

 

I think Cousins fits in the next group after WIlson, Ben, and Ryan.  Rivers would be in the Cousins group for me with Stafford.  That is the level of qb.  Borderline top 10 guy depending on the week to me.  I don't think that should command 25 million either I just think he is better than most of the guys you tried to group him with.

Edited January 25, 2018 by section122

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Cruiserplayer]

Sirius xm 88 Pat kirwain and Jim miller who have watched all of the practices were really high on the north quarterbacks.  By their praise alone I thought they felt Mayfield early, Allen a little later, and Falk was moving up boards. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 hour ago, Cruiserplayer said:

Sirius xm 88 Pat kirwain and Jim miller who have watched all of the practices were really high on the north quarterbacks.  By their praise alone I thought they felt Mayfield early, Allen a little later, and Falk was moving up boards. 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

So every QB but Baker...

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 1/23/2018 at 3:10 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Smoke screens, always go the opposite direction of the info; translation - Mayfield

 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Smoke screens, always go the opposite direction of the info; translation - Mayfield

 

There is no way they take Baker without meeting him and interviewing him in depth (to be honest even leaving his at times questionable behaviour aside I think that probably holds true for anyone you believe is going to be your franchise Quarterback).  Nothing to panic about at this stage though... they get another chance to speak to him at the Combine and the opportunity to bring him in on a visit.  The Senior Bowl interviews are only 15 minutes anyway.  The Bills may well feel Mayfield is the kind of guys who requires a longer sitdown.  

[DCOrange]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So every QB but Baker...

 

They met with all those guys the first day when Baker wasn’t there yet so it’s possible that they wanted to and will meet with him at the combine or something instead

[BuffaloHokie13]

18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So every QB but Baker...

 

 

Edited January 26, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

 

 

Nice

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I'd take Baker Mayfield in a heart beat if we could get our hands on him. He's a stylistic cross between Drew Brees and Russell Wilson IMHO.

[Magox]

Mayfield is the QB that intrigues me the most.  I could see him going top five and no later than 15, he just seems to have a true swagger about him.  I think the kid is going to be a baller.

[Mr. WEO]

They met in the Bills mobile?

 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

Gotta admit that Mayfield is starting to grow on me a bit. I was pondering a lot of great points people have made on here and watching practices and going back and watching some more of his games and I'm starting to come around a bit. I'm getting to the point that I'd be okay with any of the top 4. I really want Rosen or Darnold, but I'm coming around a bit. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, horned dogs said:

I'd take Baker Mayfield in a heart beat if we could get our hands on him. He's a stylistic cross between Drew Brees and Russell Wilson IMHO.

And Colt McCoy and Aaron Murray. Hard to tell with these QBs. 

 

But yeah, sign me up. You can't score if you don't shoot. You know what I mean. 

Edited January 26, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[CNY315]

I like Mayfield

 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

 

 

As I alluded to in the college football forum, the best quote from that article was, “If you can see the guy open, you’re late. You have to anticipate it.” Such a simple concept and yet the hardest for QBs to understand. 

[OldTimer1960]

On January 24, 2018 at 9:36 PM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm not opposed to starting a guy day 1... I think it just shows that if you're going to draft a guy, he should be ready or it's not worth it.

I disagree with this part of your post.  Very few rookie QBs are really ready to start as rookies, let alone game 1.  Think of run-of-the-mill new entry level employees at everyday jobs - even if they have lots of education from college, they have little practical experience in the "real world".  Beyond that, they have no idea of the details of how your specific company does things.

 

if a rookie QB is not ready to start when they walk in the building, I don't think it diminishes their long-term potential in any way.  There may be a number of reasons that a rookie isn't ready to start, among them:

- not fully physically developed - these are YOUNG guys, especially underclasssmen.

- lack of experience: some of these guys have only started 1 or 2 seasons at the college level.

- completely new offense to learn: even if they played a "pro-style" offense in college, their NFL team is likely running a different scheme with different players with all different terminology.

- Not many veteran teammates are going to be excited about suffering through a rookie's growing pains

 

Look back at Jim Kelly - he really wasn't ready to play as a rookie and he had played 2 years of pro ball in the USFL.  Troy Aikman was awful as a rookie.  

 

Now, we can debate whether the benefits of playing (and struggling) as a rookie outweigh the potential damage to confidence and credibility among teammates.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, horned dogs said:

I'd take Baker Mayfield in a heart beat if we could get our hands on him. He's a stylistic cross between Drew Brees and Russell Wilson IMHO.

Or he could be a cross between Johnny and Manziel?

[NewEraBills]

3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

 

 

 

If we want him we're definitely going to have to make a damn move.  Didn't think the Phins would be major players in the QB market.  I knew the Jets would.  But this is good.  It gives us some indication of who teams are talking too and who they are not talking to.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

They met in the Bills mobile?

 

 

 

BB: Hey Bake, can you jump through tables?

BM: Yes I can, while grabbing my crotch!!

BB: We'll get back to you.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

19 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is no way they take Baker without meeting him and interviewing him in depth (to be honest even leaving his at times questionable behaviour aside I think that probably holds true for anyone you believe is going to be your franchise Quarterback).  Nothing to panic about at this stage though... they get another chance to speak to him at the Combine and the opportunity to bring him in on a visit.  The Senior Bowl interviews are only 15 minutes anyway.  The Bills may well feel Mayfield is the kind of guys who requires a longer sitdown.  

 

Obviously

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks had the chance to speak with some of the most successful general managers and coaches in the NFL from the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama. The guys asked Texanscoach Bill O'Brien (3:27), Broncos coach Vance Joseph (6:39) and Falcons coach Dan Quinn (10:40) about what they like to look for in a quarterback. DJ and Bucky also sat down with Chargers GM Tom Telesco (14:29), Bills GM Brandon Beane (16:59) and Rams GM Les Snead (20:04) to take you inside their strategy scouting the top talent at the Senior Bowl.

Edited January 27, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/23/2018 at 2:29 PM, Jamie Nails said:

 

Is dude still an active member of board? The McCoy call was a big whammy. 

 

I take comfort in this...I (try to) take comfort in this.

On 1/23/2018 at 3:31 PM, Bray Wyatt said:

no meeting with Baker?

 

? it was right there "According to Robert Klemko of Sports Illustrated, the Bills met 'at length' with Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield"

[MrEpsYtown]

46 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Fairburn says the Bills met with Kolton Miller. Could be a nice fit as a right tackle. He also played with Josh Rosen for three years, so he could definitely give some insight into his character and events over the last few years. 

[NewEraBills]

56 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

I like the list.  It's offense focused for sure.  I cannot argue with any of it.  We need a QB.  We need OL and we need another HB.  I like the guys we are meeting with even if some of them are just to find out about other players we are interested in.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[CommonCents]

I skimmed through and didn't see his name mentioned so I will ask! Did they meet with Lauletta?