Bradford will be the Available Viking QB

[Gugny]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I did not know that.  That's telling.

 

Don't take it as gospel.  I heard it on ESPN radio in the car this afternoon.  I'd assume it's true.  But from what they were saying, it was indicative of MIN leaning toward BRADFORD as being the guy next year.  So Keenum could be the odd man out.  Could be interesting.

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Maybe he doesn't want to be a backup ?

 

 

What team is looking for a 14 TD/3000 yd a year starting QB?

 

Bills are about to put another one on the market.

[BigDingus]

1 hour ago, BillsRdue said:

After today, the Vikings will not let Keenum go. They will keep Teddy as a backup. He gets time to heal up and prove he can be a future guy. Bradford gets a new team.

He's a bit fragile for the Bills to put money into, but I wonder what Daboll thinks about him. I'd take a flyer if the price is right and draft Mayfield. 

 

The other option would be to trade for Smith, but I would not give up anything more than a 3rd and still draft Mayfield provided he falls to 21. 

 

Mayfield & Bradford, two 1st round guys from OU as our QB's...that'd be interesting.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

I will take Bradford.  give me his 2016 year and I make the playoff again. 

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

 

Sure he can and sure he is.

 

Just give him a bunch of kale smoothies. I hear they make football players immune to injury.  

 

Gotta get him some Brady's magical juice. It even cures cancer!

[Success]

I would actually prefer Bradford to Smith or most of the other vet names usually mentioned.  I feel like he’s had bad luck with both injuries and situations.

 

I understand that this is a minority opinion.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

On 1/14/2018 at 9:48 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

Maybe he doesn't want to be a backup ?

 

Do you think any team is going to pay Bridgewater starters money after that injury? Which one? Wherever he goes, Teddy is not getting more than 8-10m? I think he gets a 1-2yr prove your healthy and can play deal. I wouldn't mind if the Bills could pry him away, but I think the Vikes make an offer and he sticks around, gets healthy and eventually takes the job back from Keenum.
 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2018 by BillsRdue

[BeginnersMind]

On 1/14/2018 at 9:30 PM, Buffalo Ballin said:

No way. His knees are crap. I would have welcomed Sam Bradford if his knees were durable.

 

Last knee injury was 4 years ago. 

 

Bradford is a high quality QB when healthy. I like him to hold the fort while a younger guy learns the ropes. IF he gets injured, the young guy steps up. If not, you have a 4000 yard passer for half what it costs to get Cousins. 

On 1/14/2018 at 11:02 PM, Success said:

I would actually prefer Bradford to Smith or most of the other vet names usually mentioned.  I feel like he’s had bad luck with both injuries and situations.

 

 

Same. He's going to come at a bargain price and he's a top passer. This year's Bills are 11-5 or even 12-4 with him as QB. 

 

He has had two bad knee injuries. That could happen again but those are lower likelihood injuries. 

On 1/14/2018 at 9:55 PM, Gugny said:

 

Don't take it as gospel.  I heard it on ESPN radio in the car this afternoon.  I'd assume it's true.  But from what they were saying, it was indicative of MIN leaning toward BRADFORD as being the guy next year.  So Keenum could be the odd man out.  Could be interesting.

 

I would want that if I was a MIN fan. Keenum is a hot hand but Bradford is a way better QB. 

Edited January 16, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[billieve420]

No to Bradford a guy who end up just collecting money to not play since he is injured all the time. The Quarterback on the Vikings I would be really interested in would be Kyle Sloter if he ever got released. However, I don't see them letting him go. I think they franchise either Keenum or Bridgewater most likely Keenum. Then try to work out short term deal for Bridgewater with incentives if he becomes the starter. Bradford walks and Sloter ends up as the #3 next year.

 

The wildcard is if someone is willing to overpay for Bridgewater and given his injury would be quite risky.  

Edited January 16, 2018 by billieve420

[ALF]

I would think Vikings stick with Bradford if he is fully recovered. I'm still not sold on Keenum.   jmo

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Would not mind Bradford for a year. He's got the talent. If he gets injured, then throw Peterman or the rookie in for a few games. 

[Fixxxer]

On 14/1/2018 at 10:57 PM, Scott7975 said:

That team is funny.  It has a tendency to make mediocre QBs look very good.  Bradford had a pretty crappy career and looked good there.  Fools gold Keenum had a crappy career and is one game away from a Superbowl.  Everyone says ooooooo ahhhhhhhh QB.  In reality they were pretty bad before they got there.  We kill coaches and QBs they resurrect others.  

 

I think Keenum is having a good career so far, getting better with each an everry game. Unlike Bradford, the arrow is pointing up, obviously, things could change for the worse but I think if he can avoid dumb plays like the int he threw against the Saints, that got them back into the game, he can be a succesful starter in this league. 

 

If we get Bradford, we need to improve the pass protection, he won't survive the month of September with Mills at RT. 

[nucci]

Just now, Fixxxer said:

 

I think Keenum is having a good career so far, getting better with each an everry game. Unlike Bradford, the arrow is pointing up, obviously, things could change for the worse but I think if he can avoid dumb plays like the int he threw against the Saints, that got them back into the game, he can be a succesful starter in this league. 

 

If we get Bradford, we need to improve the pass protection, he won't survive the month of September with Mills at RT. 

He didn't survive a month in Minneapolis and it wasn't because he was hit a lot...he has bad knees

[Fixxxer]

Just now, nucci said:

He didn't survive a month in Minneapolis and it wasn't because he was hit a lot...he has bad knees

 

no doubt, his knees are a big concern. 

[nucci]

Just now, Fixxxer said:

 

no doubt, his knees are a big concern. 

I think Bills need to look elsewhere. 

[Fixxxer]

Just now, nucci said:

I think Bills need to look elsewhere. 

 

I hope so, too. I was never a Bradford fan, even when he was relatively healthy. 

[BrooklynBills]

My initial thought is that they are only keeping 1 guy, but they have to cap room to potentially keep both Keenum and Bridgewater for at least 1 season if they get creative with the contracts.  They are going to need new contracts for Diggs, Barr, and Hunter after this season, but they have a couple of amazing value contracts on their books. 

 

Don't see how Bradford is back with them.  I would be interested in him if I were the Bills(on a reasonable contract that with only guaranteed money for the first year).

[blacklabel]

I really feel like Keenum is the next Matt Cassel. Has one solid season, the Vikings (or another team) will hand him a big contract and he'll fall back into obscurity and mediocre play.

 

Pat Shurmur is supposedly taking the Giants HC job, would he have Keenum follow? I dunno. Keenum strikes me as the type of QB that needs a really strong supporting cast around him. He's benefited from a tough defense all season and receivers that just simply get open. They don't have the greatest running game but they'll be better when they have Cook back. Giants don't have much of a running game or defense at the moment. And who knows if Shurmur is going to wanna work with Eli or what.

 

The way Beane has discussed things in regards to building a team, I don't know if I see them shelling out a decent chunk of change for a bridge QB like Bradford or Smith. And what says those guys will wanna be here under the premise of, "Yeah, you're the guy until the rookie is ready." Surely Smith believes he can start and be effective for a few more years. Bradford, I actually read he had contemplated retirement after this last injury. Word was is he's just tired of these injuries happening and having to go through extensive rehab almost every other season.

 

At this point, if they want a veteran to be in there just to help the rookie then they might just keep Taylor, who knows.

[Bills365]

I think theyre only going to keep one. Remember they kept 4 qbs on the roster this year which is very unusual. The undrafted rookie they got this year must be doing very good things behind closed doors. And they were worried someone would sign him. The last time 4 qbs were kept on a roster that guy was tom brady. Not saying this guys gonna turn into anything close to that. But the vikings think very highly of him and dont think they will ikvest in keeping two of the top three guys.

Edited January 16, 2018 by Bills365

[Gugny]

"Pretty good," QBs can look elite when they have a truly elite defense (and offensive line) behind them.

[BillsFan130]

I don’t want Bradford.

 

Injury prone, doesn’t throw the hall downfield often.

 

Hes an accurate passer mind you , probably his best trait 

[LabattBlue]

On 1/14/2018 at 8:20 PM, BillsRdue said:

After today, the Vikings will not let Keenum go. They will keep Teddy as a backup. He gets time to heal up and prove he can be a future guy. Bradford gets a new team.

He's a bit fragile for the Bills to put money into, but I wonder what Daboll thinks about him. I'd take a flyer if the price is right and draft Mayfield. 

 

The other option would be to trade for Smith, but I would not give up anything more than a 3rd and still draft Mayfield provided he falls to 21. 

Maybe you should change the title of the thread and your post, so that it reads more like your opinion, instead of fact.

[Victory Formation]

Bridgewater is an intriguing prospect to me, but probably wouldn't come here as a backup. Bridgewater plus a high draft pick could be a cheap and effective way to solve the QB situation.

[JAMIEBUF12]

If the Vikings do love Case Keenum. Why not keep Bradford as the backup.Everyone agrees he is a good qb who just can't stay healthy.If he is the backup he would be a good one to come off the bench if Keenum gets hurt.The Vikings could get a high draft pick for Teddy Bridgewater and make their tem even stronger after winning this years superbowl...If the Bills made a reasonable offer for Teddy I am sure the Vikings would have to at least listen................GO bills!!

[jr1]

I don't think Teddy or Sam would last more than 10 games with their injury histories 

[SoCal Deek]

Bills fans need to come to grips with the fact that there is a finite set of veteran QBs in the NFL "universe".  The list of available guys isn't going to increase.  It's only going to decrease in the next few weeks.  The Bills will be left will two choices. Either stick with Tyrod or get one of the few remaining veterans. There is ZERO chance that the Bills are turning the reigns over to a late round rookie and Peterman.  Coach McD is never going to let that happen to his freshly minted playoff team.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

 

I think Keenum is having a good career so far, getting better with each an everry game. Unlike Bradford, the arrow is pointing up, obviously, things could change for the worse but I think if he can avoid dumb plays like the int he threw against the Saints, that got them back into the game, he can be a succesful starter in this league. 

 

If we get Bradford, we need to improve the pass protection, he won't survive the month of September with Mills at RT. 

 

Bradford's knees aren't an issue of pass protection.  In 2014, he was lost in the pre-season on the closest thing you can get to a non-contact injury.  Essentially the Browns tackler was blocked into him and they kind of hugged briefly, then Bradford stepped away and crumpled to the turf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dOqytc5n_0

A Philly fan site put together his full injury history as of the Philly trade (I think some early details are wrong, as he was active for 16 games in 2010)

http://gcobb.com/2015/07/14/sam-bradfords-disturbing-five-year-injury-history/

 

Basically, the man has been playing in the league 7 years, and he's had 3 years where he made it through >14 games.  And the concerns go beyond knees - he's lost games due to other injuries.  Those aren't good odds, folks.

 

Is he a crappy QB or a "down arrow", I don't think so.  Whether or not you agree, the primary concern is whether available, or whether he's an arrow pointing to "IR".

41 minutes ago, JAMIEBUF12 said:

If the Vikings do love Case Keenum. Why not keep Bradford as the backup.Everyone agrees he is a good qb who just can't stay healthy.If he is the backup he would be a good one to come off the bench if Keenum gets hurt.The Vikings could get a high draft pick for Teddy Bridgewater and make their tem even stronger after winning this years superbowl...If the Bills made a reasonable offer for Teddy I am sure the Vikings would have to at least listen................GO bills!!

 

The problem I would have with that, were I a Vikings fan, is that your backup, to be worth carrying, had better be a durable guy whose availability you can count on.  With Bradford, he could go out for the season taking snaps in training camp, or dropping back on the Scout team, or the first time he's hit when he comes into the game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, blacklabel said:

I really feel like Keenum is the next Matt Cassel. Has one solid season, the Vikings (or another team) will hand him a big contract and he'll fall back into obscurity and mediocre play.

 

Pat Shurmur is supposedly taking the Giants HC job, would he have Keenum follow? I dunno. Keenum strikes me as the type of QB that needs a really strong supporting cast around him. He's benefited from a tough defense all season and receivers that just simply get open. They don't have the greatest running game but they'll be better when they have Cook back. Giants don't have much of a running game or defense at the moment.

 

It's entirely possible Keenum could regress to Matt Cassel.  He does have a bit more track record playing in the league before this year, and it has its Cassel-like aspects especially last year with the Rams.  But from what I saw Sunday, his WR have made him.  Not just getting open, but that Diggs guy has a vertical leap like a volley or basketball player.  He's listed as 6'0" (maybe- if he slept on a board) and he's playing like he's 6'5".  They are contesting for quite a few balls that would be INTs or incompletions with another wideout.

 

In another post, I sarcastically said Keenum should look at Diggs and Thielen and quote Ruth 1:16.  I was not kidding.  In contrast this year, Eli Manning's WR have been playing like crap.  In the few games I saw, when they weren't failing to haul in catchable balls, they were deflecting them into the hands of opposing players.  Looks to me like their WR corps has degraded to Odell Beckham and NEXT! 

 

Keenum wouldn't look good there, even if the Vikes are willing to let him go.  OTOH, if you put Eli Manning with Keenum's guys, we just might be writing about his amazing resurgence.

 

Same logic applies to our Bills.  Upgrade the WR or prepare to be disappointed, no matter what Hot Young Hand we bring in.

Edited January 16, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[26TrapDraw]

No Thanks.

[freester]

I think Minnesota is drafting a QB in round 1 and maybe even trading up or going after cousins

[SoTier]

 

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's entirely possible Keenum could regress to Matt Cassel.  He does have a bit more track record playing in the league before this year, and it has its Cassel-like aspects especially last year with the Rams.  But from what I saw Sunday, his WR have made him.  Not just getting open, but that Diggs guy has a vertical leap like a volley or basketball player.  He's listed as 6'0" (maybe- if he slept on a board) and he's playing like he's 6'5".  They are contesting for quite a few balls that would be INTs or incompletions with another wideout.

 

In another post, I sarcastically said Keenum should look at Diggs and Thielen and quote Ruth 1:16.  I was not kidding.  In contrast this year, Eli Manning's WR have been playing like crap.  In the few games I saw, when they weren't failing to haul in catchable balls, they were deflecting them into the hands of opposing players.  Looks to me like their WR corps has degraded to Odell Beckham and NEXT! 

 

Keenum wouldn't look good there, even if the Vikes are willing to let him go.  OTOH, if you put Eli Manning with Keenum's guys, we just might be writing about his amazing resurgence.

 

Same logic applies to our Bills.  Upgrade the WR or prepare to be disappointed, no matter what Hot Young Hand we bring in.

 

This is excellent analysis.  Too often fans put all the blame on the QB without looking at "the rest of the picture".  Every QB needs protection and targets to have any kind of success.  The great ones probably can get by with a little less than most.

 

I will also put this out there:  is Kirk Cousins "the real deal" or just a lucky dog in the right offensive system?  There used to be discussions about Brady back in 2002 and 2003 whether he was "the real deal" or just a lucky dog in the right offensive system, too.  We don't expect QBs to come from Day 2 or Day 3 of the draft and light up the league.  I think there might be more of them out there but they just never get the opportunities, and usually, when they do, they fail (like most Day 1 QBs).

[klos63]

On 1/14/2018 at 6:46 PM, H2o said:

Mr. Glass isn't worth the flier imo

I agree. Who cares 'if the price is right'. If he can't suit up, he's useless.

[blacklabel]

39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's entirely possible Keenum could regress to Matt Cassel.  He does have a bit more track record playing in the league before this year, and it has its Cassel-like aspects especially last year with the Rams.  But from what I saw Sunday, his WR have made him.  Not just getting open, but that Diggs guy has a vertical leap like a volley or basketball player.  He's listed as 6'0" (maybe- if he slept on a board) and he's playing like he's 6'5".  They are contesting for quite a few balls that would be INTs or incompletions with another wideout.

 

In another post, I sarcastically said Keenum should look at Diggs and Thielen and quote Ruth 1:16.  I was not kidding.  In contrast this year, Eli Manning's WR have been playing like crap.  In the few games I saw, when they weren't failing to haul in catchable balls, they were deflecting them into the hands of opposing players.  Looks to me like their WR corps has degraded to Odell Beckham and NEXT! 

 

Keenum wouldn't look good there, even if the Vikes are willing to let him go.  OTOH, if you put Eli Manning with Keenum's guys, we just might be writing about his amazing resurgence.

 

Same logic applies to our Bills.  Upgrade the WR or prepare to be disappointed, no matter what Hot Young Hand we bring in.

 

You make good points, sir. Keenum definitely benefits from Diggs and Thielen as both receivers are very craft route runners and have a knack for gaining separation. That Thielen dude is outstanding. Crazy to think he went undrafted. I wonder how players like that fall through the cracks. And yeah, Diggs is another guy who wasn't at the top of anyone's board as they got him in the fifth round in 2015. They also have Treadwell, their first rounder from 2016, however, he's amassed a total of 21 receptions and 215 yards through two seasons where he's played in 25 total games. Don't know if his FBI isn't great and he isn't understanding route concepts and how to read and react to certain defenses but you'd think the first rounder would be the teams top guy and not the undrafted free agent. 

 

As for the Giants, IMO, and I think this is probably a widely shared opinion, that team just flat out quit on McAdoo at some point during the season. I watched a few Giants games this season and it really looked like players were just going through the motions. With McAdoo out, and (presumably) Shurmur coming in, that could revitalize the team and possibly bring Eli back up to a higher level of play. If Keenum follows Shurmur, I think in that situation I would say he has a decent chance to NOT be the next Matt Cassel as he'd be throwing to OBJ, Shephard, Engram, etc. But even with that, I see Keenum as a QB who needs a strong supporting cast and an offense that knows how to maximize his abilities, and hide his limitations. Also doesn't hurt that Keenum has a great defense capable of shutting teams down. 

 

I'm sure the QB carousel will be spinning this off-season and who knows where these dudes wind up but it's definitely been an interesting season. The whole "you can't win without a franchise QB" argument seems to have taken a hit. I'm not saying you DON'T need a franchise guy, but three of the final four teams have the following at QB: a first-round super inconsistent QB who has to play in a system that makes things easy for him and relies on the run and strong defense. A third-round backup who had one outstanding season and then bounced around to a couple different teams, never able to hold down the starting gig and then wind up back where he was originally drafted as the #2 in a high-powered offense and a pretty speedy/efficient defense. And then there's the undrafted Keenum who got tossed back and forth between the Texans and Rams for the first five years of his career, was inconsistent as the Rams starter in 2016 and has now become a wonderboy in Minnesota. Brees, Ryan, Roethlisberger, etc. have all been eliminated from the playoffs by teams led by QBs who no one would ever willingly choose for their team if they had to pick between those guys and the franchise dudes who are currently planning their golf trips.

 

Ramble ramble. Go Bills. Do something cool. Like... find THE guy at QB, hope Daboll isn't any worse than Dennison and get back to the playoffs and you know, like, win one... or two... or three... or four and SUPERR BOWWWWLLWLWLWLWLLWLWL... it's been a long day

[SoCal Deek]

You can analyze this issue to death!  Tom Brady is not going to be available to the Bills in 2018!

 

They can:

 

1. Stick with Tyrod

2. Go all in on a Rookie

3. Pick up one of the 'flawed' veterans (all of whom are very similar in terms of pros and cons)

[ddaryl]

Bridgewater is a free agent.. Unless the Vikings can get 1 QB signed and choose to place a transistion tag on the other QB I don't think they can really keep 2.

 

placing a transisiton tag would have them over paynig for a backup because I'm not sure anyone is giving up a 1st for a post injury Bridgewater, and Keenum is most likely the one they choose to keep

 

Bradford is getting older and never completes a full season, so I see him being let go.. and if your Bridgewater wouldn't you like to explore Free agency and see what kind of deal / starting gig you can get before signign a backup contract to stay with the Vikings

Edited January 16, 2018 by ddaryl

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/14/2018 at 7:45 PM, Doc Brown said:

Bradford threw for 3,877 yards with 20 td's and 5 int's for a 99.3 rating in 15 games last year.  I wouldn't call him a goodwill store quarterback.

 

Things wind up in the Goodwill Store for various reasons.  Sometimes they're very high-quality things with a serious flaw.

[/dev/null]

On 1/14/2018 at 8:46 PM, H2o said:

Mr. Glass isn't worth the flier imo

 

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

I agree. Who cares 'if the price is right'. If he can't suit up, he's useless.

 

 

 

 

^sam bradford

[TheFunPolice]

Bradford was playing really, really well last year and this year but the poor SOB has horrible knees

[John from Riverside]

It seems like no matter where Bradford goes he puts up good qb numbers till he gets hurt.

 

If we are going to draft a QB high......this might be as good a plan as any.

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

 

I think Keenum is having a good career so far, getting better with each an everry game. Unlike Bradford, the arrow is pointing up, obviously, things could change for the worse but I think if he can avoid dumb plays like the int he threw against the Saints, that got them back into the game, he can be a succesful starter in this league. 

 

If we get Bradford, we need to improve the pass protection, he won't survive the month of September with Mills at RT. 

I disagree.  I think Keenum had a bad career for a QB thus far.  Been in the league 6 seasons while bouncing around between the rams and Texans.  Wasn't good for anyone until this season.  Also some of those passes... even the game winning pass this week is the same type of ball that Zay Jones would have dropped and people would have been all over Tyrod for a poor throw.  Sometimes systems make a QB/offense look good and sometimes receivers make awesome plays and no one says horrible pass.

 

And before the crowd jumps all over me calling me CoT... that was not a statement in defense of Tyrod.

Edited January 16, 2018 by Scott7975