oldmanfan Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: He is running full speed - I don’t think he could just stop. He realized how early he was and did not want a penalty. Yeah just rewatched. Was there a bit early but does that excuse lowering your head to where you can't see anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I think he was expecting the receiver to head out of bounds and that was his attempt at a tackle. Problem was he got there just a bit early and the receiver saw daylight. All of these takes are incorrect. Diggs momentum towards the sideline stopped when he went up for the ball and the guy just flat out misjudged where the point of impact would be. The only movement he makes is lowering his head and shoulder. He never changes direction to avoid hitting the receiver. He misjudged the point of impact when the receiver jumped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Happens more than it should because the rules have FORCED DBs to adjust their TGTs lower to avoid head That's exactly what I thought about the play - avoid DPI or Defenseless Receiver. If either of those are called (esp DPI), then the vikings are kicking for the win again. Edited January 15, 2018 by dulles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, SDS said: I was wondering why the DB's were playing short. They needed 20 yards. Even if the DB make a good play Diggs likely catches it and gets out of bounds. There was a Bills game a while back, can't remember which game but similar situation. The opposing team needed like 10 yards for a fg attempt and we had the DB's in off coverage and gave them the easy catch. They kicked fg and won. Dumb coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I actually think he was avoiding hitting a defensless receiver. He lowered his shoulder then pulled to the side. He intentionally avoided him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Yeah just rewatched. Was there a bit early but does that excuse lowering your head to where you can't see anything? Absolutely not, but watching him trying to slow down and get in position to make the tackle and not hit him early - I think his body got messed up - his head was up as he was getting there, but he should not have ducked his head totally. Again it was a split second thing and the way the timing was off for him - I just think he blew it bad. I just do not think it was a sign of anything - just something that happened at the worst time for that player. I will blame the coaches for not having a better deep coverage available. I think overall the coaches should get a bunch of blame, but that poor kid is going to get crucified by the fans for that play and he probably deserves a bunch of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I was wondering why the DB's were playing short. They needed 20 yards. Even if the DB make a good play Diggs likely catches it and gets out of bounds. There was a Bills game a while back, can't remember which game but similar situation. The opposing team needed like 10 yards for a fg attempt and we had the DB's in off coverage and gave them the easy catch. They kicked fg and won. Dumb coaches. Dallas monday nighter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I was wondering why the DB's were playing short. They needed 20 yards. Even if the DB make a good play Diggs likely catches it and gets out of bounds. There was a Bills game a while back, can't remember which game but similar situation. The opposing team needed like 10 yards for a fg attempt and we had the DB's in off coverage and gave them the easy catch. They kicked fg and won. Dumb coaches. That's exactly what I thought was going to happen. Saints pretty much only needed to defend the sidelines 25 yards downfield and that's exactly where they let Diggs catch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I was wondering why the DB's were playing short. They needed 20 yards. Even if the DB make a good play Diggs likely catches it and gets out of bounds. There was a Bills game a while back, can't remember which game but similar situation. The opposing team needed like 10 yards for a fg attempt and we had the DB's in off coverage and gave them the easy catch. They kicked fg and won. Dumb coaches. MIA last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 52 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: I think it was more of move to prevent hitting him early and taking a PI penalty. The timing of the hit was off. Bingo! I agree. A PI there and Minny wins with field goal. Go easy on the DB, he was reacting in 1/100th of a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, SDS said: Agreed the play design was odd. Why were there linebackers in the shallow zones? I haven’t seen the all 22 but linebackers coming into the shot from underneath was a secondary WTF moment there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Cant defend poor tackling. If i had to guess, he was in the mindframe that Diggs was going to duck out of bounds for a FG attempt scenario, didnt even consider an effort for TD? Baffling to say the least. Heads up play by Diggs, i think alot of WRs wouldnt have had the awareness to continue the run, and been focused on stopping clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, SDS said: All of these takes are incorrect. Diggs momentum towards the sideline stopped when he went up for the ball and the guy just flat out misjudged where the point of impact would be. The only movement he makes is lowering his head and shoulder. He never changes direction to avoid hitting the receiver. He misjudged the point of impact when the receiver jumped up. Agreed 100% misread it, and then compounded with reckless form and then got unlucky enough to hit his teammate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Agreed 100% misread it, and then compounded with reckless form and then got unlucky enough to hit his teammate Bobby is just plain pissed..Deke sounds almost suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said: Dallas monday nighter? YES! Took me forever to find the game . No DB near the WR on the final catch. I wanted to break things. I remember Fewell saying it was a bad call by him. No duh. Edited January 15, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Give me ten times to watch it after it happened and I will tell you how you they should have played it. really big of me to give this advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 But what a finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, yungmack said: But what a finish. A top 10 for 43 years for my watching, even if I had zero interest in who won the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Looks like he was "taking a knee" again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: A top 10 for 43 years for my watching, even if I had zero interest in who won the game I've been watching pro football for a long time also. This was one of the few games where my jaw just dropped. I thought the game was over and almost turned it off because I thought the Saints had the game won. Glad I stuck around. I feel bad for the safety though.......his career with the Saints may be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, gobillsinytown said: I've been watching pro football for a long time also. This was one of the few games where my jaw just dropped. I thought the game was over and almost turned it off because I thought the Saints had the game won. Glad I stuck around. I feel bad for the safety though.......his career with the Saints may be over. Salute! I was kinda numb and jaded after 7 hours on the couch, the first game was surprisingly interesting the whole game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Saints lose in the last play because a DB lowers his head and throws a shoulder instead of actually tackling a guy. One thing I liked about our D: the DBs played good fundamental football. Wrapped up on guys. That's what I thought when I saw that. Actually my first thought was Belichick's guys know what their job is. Second thought was McD's guys know. It gave me a warm feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: the refs had nothing to do with this guys brainfart. neither did the rulebook. These guys were mugging the WRs all night. You think this guy went to the sideline and thumbed through the rulebook before that play and laid off? No, but I think before they took the field the coach yelled at them "whatever you do, don't draw the flag. No PI got it you *@3!? No PI!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 That missed tackle was about as bad as they get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 You ever hit the wrong button in madden? I’m convinced we just saw the real life version. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Wait, what? The Saints lost? Why have I been spending time trying to grasp the moral from their win? I’m so confused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Saints lose in the last play because a DB lowers his head and throws a shoulder instead of actually tackling a guy. One thing I liked about our D: the DBs played good fundamental football. Wrapped up on guys. This simply showed a poorly coached team...Players not understanding what they need to do there...All he need was to push the player out of bounds or tackle inside. Game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, ganesh said: This simply showed a poorly coached team...Players not understanding what they need to do there...All he need was to push the player out of bounds or tackle inside. Game over. Push Diggs OOB and they kick the FG to win the game. Time expired as he crosses the goal line. They needed to tackle him in bounds for time to expire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Here's the thing. I think he knew he was there early (would have been pass interference) and pulled up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, transient said: Push Diggs OOB and they kick the FG to win the game. Time expired as he crosses the goal line. They needed to tackle him in bounds for time to expire. He meant push him out of bounce so he doesn't get two feet in I'm sure. Good teaching example for every safety. "Whatever you do, don't do that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He meant push him out of bounce so he doesn't get two feet in I'm sure. Good teaching example for every safety. "Whatever you do, don't do that." If you watch where Diggs comes down with the ball, he’s easily 2 yards in bounds. Williams would have had to catch him in midair and throw him WWE style out of bounds for him not to come down in bounds with the ball. 26 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Here's the thing. I think he knew he was there early (would have been pass interference) and pulled up. Certainly looks like he mistimed it and would have been there early. Unfortunately he compounds it by taking out Crawley, who’s the only other Saint in the vicinity who may have had a chance to make the play. Edited January 15, 2018 by transient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 13 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Saints lose in the last play because a DB lowers his head and throws a shoulder instead of actually tackling a guy. One thing I liked about our D: the DBs played good fundamental football. Wrapped up on guys. Yeah it’s an unbelievable play. The only possible explanation other than sloppy technique is that maybe for some reason the DB thought he was going to be hit by someone else and was trying not to get hurt or draw a penalty. Was it a possible “defenseless hit on a receiver?” This seems like a stretch but it’s a possible explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 14 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Not about early. About where they can TGT the WRs. DBs are moving their aimpoint lower because of the head shot flags Whats the excuse for not using his arms/hands...? Even holding a foot there will prevent him from getting out of bounds. 55 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Yeah it’s an unbelievable play. The only possible explanation other than sloppy technique is that maybe for some reason the DB thought he was going to be hit by someone else and was trying not to get hurt or draw a penalty. Was it a possible “defenseless hit on a receiver?” This seems like a stretch but it’s a possible explanation. I could see jumping up for a deflection and missing or something trying to play the ball there. But you let him catch it - all you had to do was tackle him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 14 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Saints lose in the last play because a DB lowers his head and throws a shoulder instead of actually tackling a guy. One thing I liked about our D: the DBs played good fundamental football. Wrapped up on guys. Understood, but you know there was a 3 game slide where our tackling was absolute dismal play. Good to see that McD fixed that down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 hours ago, transient said: Wait, what? The Saints lost? Why have I been spending time trying to grasp the moral from their win? I’m so confused... not bad.... minor chuckle and thanks. he clearly was hoping to go out of bounds with 2 on the clock for the winning FG. but hey, strike while the iron is hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 hours ago, mjt328 said: Agreed. I get so tired of these cornerbacks tackling like that. If I saw a player on my team tackling like that, I would cut him immediately. Even if a great player like Leonard Johnson did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Avoiding PI by allowing a TD is a questionable strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, dneveu said: I could see jumping up for a deflection and missing or something trying to play the ball there. But you let him catch it - all you had to do was tackle him! I am not in disagreement at all with your point. I was simply trying to find a plausible explanation for the situation that involved something other than poor technique. At the end of the day, the DB’s failure to wrap up for whatever reason was a colossal mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hilarious New Orleans Headlines: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/01/new-orleans-saints-time-picayune-headline-perfect-expletive-amazing-photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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