Coach Tuesday Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: One thing that needs to be said is that in Daboll's previous stops as OC, two of them were under two very crappy offensive HC who stuck their mitts all over the offense, Mangenius and Tony Sporano. So it's hard to even blame him for much of it. The one time with a defensive HC, Romeo Crennell in KC, unsurprisingly he had a good run game (Jamaal Charles) and a crappy passing game (the floundering Matt Cassel). Mangini coahed defense but I hear you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Welcome to the Buffalo Bills AJ McCarron. I am thinking it will be one of either Smith, McCarron, or Nick Foles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Bangarang said: So what kind of offense does this guy run? What does he like to do? Im obviously very underwhelmed by this hire but I’d at least like to know what I will be watching on Sundays. He likes to run, and he likes to pass, and he likes the RPO. In some seasons on some teams they passed a lot, and on some teams they ran a lot, with varying degrees of success, with an assortment of good and bad players, on great and lousy teams, with smart and dumb coaches. He has done very well with some guys and not so well with others, at different times under diametrically opposed situations. I feel really strongly both ways about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 57 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: This is full of process. Hopefully it works out. They've been spot on so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Just read this guy is only 42. Got his 1st OC job at 34. I remember back then he was really hot, his bad HC luck threw him back to New England. 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: Take a breath, you have all year to learn about him. Agree. Haven't seen this one posted yet. Has some Bill B. input. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2018/01/14/buffalo-bills-name-brian-daboll-offensive-coordinator-alabama-new-england-patriots-super-bowl-ur/1032877001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I'm a believer in people learning from their mistakes, especially when he was so young in his first OC gig. I think this will be a good hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I'm cautiously optimistic. Not sure how it will turn out, but I'm guessing our offense will look different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes he has been but that’s kind of a function of the QBs he has had. His offense was 32nd in Cleveland. Hue Jackson's Bowns Os have been terrible but it's widely accepted Hue is brilliant. I'm intrigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, inaugural balls said: They've been spot on so far. Well minus the Dennison Hire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah thats EXACTLY what I posted said. I get it its the good ole boy system Absolutely it is. Just the good old boys. All of us against you. It’s what we do around here. We choose random member IDs out of a hat and then we attack. We viciously attack innocent posters for no reason at all. Borderline criminal really. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How are you underwhelmed if you don't know his philosophy? Because his past results are very underwhelming. Or does that not matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 First of all, thank you SDS for trying to keep this on topic. I honestly don't know what to think about the hire. I didn't register the name at all, and I can't remember the teams he was a part of on the NFL. That said I was not high on Dennison when he was hired and my opinion went down from there. Things I like: -a willingness to experiment and creatively use the talent around him - a run first OC. No matter what, it should be the focal point of our offense whether we keep Tyrod or start a rookie Don't like: -a lack of production at the NFL level previously I am ok with going to college level for coordinators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 What happened with Chud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Daboll.... Daboll... Badoll? Badoll... Bad Doll!! Bad Doll!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, SDS said: Absolutely it is. Just the good old boys. All of us against you. It’s what we do around here. We choose random member IDs out of a hat and then we attack. We viciously attack innocent posters for no reason at all. Borderline criminal really. Yep said that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Helpmenow said: Who was his qbs Quinn McCoy Moore (best year) Cassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How are you underwhelmed if you don't know his philosophy? My guess is by this guys horrible resume. I'm not happy at all. Been through decades of this crap so I'll get over it. Cool off, hope for the best but every piece of tangible evidence says this guy doesn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I'm optimistic because of how decisive McD and Beane were. They obviously strongly believe in the same principles and he gets to choose his QB essentially. I love the hire. McD stole him from NE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Two days of silly arguments and name calling. Is everyone suffering from PMS this weekend? Trust the process!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: So what kind of offense does this guy run? What does he like to do? Im obviously very underwhelmed by this hire but I’d at least like to know what I will be watching on Sundays. He loves power running... and running it straight down their throats. However he is the type of guy who likes fit his schemes to his players. He wants to put players in a situation to succeed. And he will often try to line his players up in mismatches by finding the defenses weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Mangini coahed defense but I hear you. Yeah, he did coach both offense and defense. Belichick hired him first as an offensive guy, and has gone back and forth but more defense. You're right. I just remember reading and hearing about him micromanaging the Browns when he was there. Don't know about the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He likes to run, and he likes to pass, and he likes the RPO. In some seasons on some teams they passed a lot, and on some teams they ran a lot, with varying degrees of success, with an assortment of good and bad players, on great and lousy teams, with smart and dumb coaches. He has done very well with some guys and not so well with others, at different times under diametrically opposed situations. I feel really strongly both ways about him. Likes to run and pass? Why, that’s two thirds of the football trifecta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Im curious the type of oline blocking scheme he tends to usr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Because his past results are very underwhelming. Or does that not matter? That's largely been a function of poor personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Maine-iac said: My guess is by this guys horrible resume. I'm not happy at all. Been through decades of this crap so I'll get over it. Cool off, hope for the best but every piece of tangible evidence says this guy doesn't have it. In before someone reminds you again that he coached under B.B. and Saban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Mopreme said: He inherited the bama job. Little experience. Not a good hire in my opinion. Def a money move. I thought ken dorsey was the right guy. We need passing focused offense ccordinator, not another run guy. Do you have facts for any of this? You sound full of a bull **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I thought it would be McCoy. But now you have a guy that's a little younger, maybe hungry to establish himself after working with some talent challenged franchises. Sounds like a very good teacher. Excited to see what he brings to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, K-9 said: Likes to run and pass? Why, that’s two thirds of the football trifecta! He hates to kick! Obviously I was being a wiseass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I do like tailoring to a players skill set. But can i ask you what that means to you? Is it limiting your systems to fit a player. Or chaning little nueances to fit a player (ala chan to Stevie. I dont care how you get there but you have to be at this depth by this point) Playing to their strengths. Very Simple. Tyrod sucks at intermediate passing, has (had) a decent deep ball and is best scrambling. We have arguably one of the BEST rushing attacks in the NFL. Rather than force Tyrod to be a pocket passer, do like Chan did and use more roll outs and bubble screens. The reason I like this hire is I feel like from what he has done historically is more up my alley than Rico. He has more of an adaptive skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: First of all, thank you SDS for trying to keep this on topic. I honestly don't know what to think about the hire. I didn't register the name at all, and I can't remember the teams he was a part of on the NFL. That said I was not high on Dennison when he was hired and my opinion went down from there. Things I like: -a willingness to experiment and creatively use the talent around him - a run first OC. No matter what, it should be the focal point of our offense whether we keep Tyrod or start a rookie Don't like: -a lack of production at the NFL level previously I am ok with going to college level for coordinators Am I crazy, or is the bolded the very thing that has been holding us back for the last few years? We need to pass, or least have the threat of passing, or we will never be able to score late in the game when the other team knows what you're doing. I'm nervous about Daboll's "system" and I am worried he won't be the best guy to entrust our shiny new franchise QB with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: My guess is by this guys horrible resume. I'm not happy at all. Been through decades of this crap so I'll get over it. Cool off, hope for the best but every piece of tangible evidence says this guy doesn't have it. Horrible resume?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: That's largely been a function of poor personnel. Were you a big follower of the Browns, Dolphins and Chiefs during those glory years? Did you watch those games impressed with his offense and play calling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I don't know if this is true. I heard this as speculation/rumor. I don't know much about the fella. His previous NFL OC experience was apparently limited by bad qbs. Nonetheless, his numbers are underwhelming. Qb/qb coach will determine much of his success or lack thereof. Well Patriots fans say he was one of the two favorites... He had been a Belichick guy since early 2000s. He even followed Eric Mangini from Browns to Jets... After they left New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Two days of silly arguments and name calling. Is everyone suffering from PMS this weekend? Trust the process!!! Haven't you heard? The Bills are a week into a new 17 year playoff drought... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: My guess is by this guys horrible resume. I'm not happy at all. Been through decades of this crap so I'll get over it. Cool off, hope for the best but every piece of tangible evidence says this guy doesn't have it. This is exactly correct. As the days go on I'll keep my head up and hope for the best, but all stats and evidence point towards this going about as well as the last 10 OC's we've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Did McD jump Belicheck?? Belicheck focused on Jacksonville. And I can't believe I just typed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's largely been a function of poor personnel. Well with either a rookie or Taylor how is that going to be drastically different here? Like I said I'm trying to take deep breaths. I'll get over it. Try not to let this run over into other posts/days but right now this seems very short of what we needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dafan said: Im curious the type of oline blocking scheme he tends to usr. Power Running Game is what he has typically used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 https://theathletic.com/90712/2017/09/01/new-alabama-offensive-coordinator-brian-daboll-quickly-took-charge-just-like-he-always-has/ Good read... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, CNY315 said: That I'm bad at comedy apparently lol all good - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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