Coach Tuesday Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I thought this was fascinating, not because it's about Tyrod (we have a zillion threads about that) but because it's rare for the GM/CEO of one team to be commenting about the personnel of another team. It also suggests that Tyrod might have a hard time finding a starting gig if the Bills cut ties. http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/09/fourth-candidate-confirmed-packers-gm-search/1018451001/ “Doug Whaley really did a job with the interview,” Murphy said. “I think it was not confirmed, but he was the fourth interview. I knew him a little bit, so I enjoyed having a chance to spend some time with him. I'm a Bills fan, so I follow the Bills a little more closely than some of the other teams. “But he put together that roster, and it's a playoff team without a great quarterback. It made the playoffs. They have a good roster." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Weird that a CEO of an NFL team would admit to being a fan of another team 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I thought this was fascinating, not because it's about Tyrod (we have a zillion threads about that) but because it's rare for the GM/CEO of one team to be commenting about the personnel of another team. It also suggests that Tyrod might have a hard time finding a starting gig if the Bills cut ties. http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/09/fourth-candidate-confirmed-packers-gm-search/1018451001/ “Doug Whaley really did a job with the interview,” Murphy said. “I think it was not confirmed, but he was the fourth interview. I knew him a little bit, so I enjoyed having a chance to spend some time with him. I'm a Bills fan, so I follow the Bills a little more closely than some of the other teams. “But he put together that roster, and it's a playoff team without a great quarterback. It made the playoffs. They have a good roster." Murphy played at Clarence High School. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: Weird that a CEO of an NFL team would admit to being a fan of another team Murphy is from Western New York . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: Weird that a CEO of an NFL team would admit to being a fan of another team He is from the Buffalo area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yeah I'm not saying it's bad. I just found it strange he would announce it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Murphy's pretty ignorant if he thinks Whaley put this year's team together, with how few of the players he drafted or signed are left. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Can they give us Aaron Rodgers? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: Yeah I'm not saying it's bad. I just found it strange he would announce it. I hear you on that, but I think it is similar to NFL players admitting they grew up fans of certain teams. They are still going to do their jobs. Most of them, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: Murphy's pretty ignorant if he thinks Whaley put this year's team together, with how few of the players he drafted or signed are left. The only lasting thing Whaley gave this team is McCoy...and let's be honest. That trade fell into his lap. And it helps when Chip Kelly is a moron. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Yeah I'm not saying it's bad. I just found it strange he would announce it. Imagine if Beane said something like "I'm a big Vikings fan!" - TBD would melt down at the gall of a Bills GM liking anything other than the Bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Considering most of what Whaley built was jettisoned before the season started... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: The only lasting thing Whaley gave this team is McCoy...and let's be honest. That trade fell into his lap. And it helps when Chip Kelly is a moron. The McCoy trade fell into his lap? I know you probably hate Whaley, but give the man his due. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The McCoy trade fell into his lap? I know you probably hate Whaley, but give the man his due. Philadelphia called US to offer McCoy. Asked for Woods and Kiko and accepted a counter of Kiko. We were not the instigators of that trade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Heitz said: Imagine if Beane said something like "I'm a big Vikings fan!" - TBD would melt down at the gall of a Bills GM liking anything other than the Bills! Or a big Patriots fan for Beane lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 There are like 15 Whaley era players still left on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Philadelphia called US to offer McCoy. Asked for Woods and Kiko and accepted a counter of Kiko. We were not the instigators of that trade. So you have to instigate the trade to get credit for it? Moving the goal posts, are we? How about the Hughes trade? The acquisition of Alexander or Clay or Incognito? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The McCoy trade fell into his lap? I know you probably hate Whaley, but give the man his due. Story was Kelly called him. All Whaley did was tell Kelly to look at the roster. Kelly called back and said Kiko. Yea...fell into his lap. He did some things well. Creating a foundation for success going forward was not one of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Steptide said: Can they give us Aaron Rodgers? He can be the Bills Derek Jeter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Watkins90 said: Murphy's pretty ignorant if he thinks Whaley put this year's team together, with how few of the players he drafted or signed are left. Couldnt be more wrong. With the constant coaching turnover, Whaley basically put together MULTIPLE playoff caliber teams while in Buffalo. Re-signed Cordy Glenn Re-signed Eric Wood Signed Incognito Signed Groy Drafted Miller (who I believe is being mis/under-used) Drafted Dawkins Signed Clay Drafted O'Leary Traded for McCoy Re-signed Kyle (multiple times I believe) Traded for Hughes Drafted Washington Signed Alexander Signed Poyer Signed Hyde Drafted White Drafted Milano That's basically the foundation of this team. (edit: And Im not even mentioning starters who I dont like, such as Tyrod, Mills and Preston Brown, who are yet still starters on our Playoff team). Not to mention, his guys Searcy, Cockrell, Bradham, Watkins, Woods, Dareus, Seymour, Ragland, and Darby are ALL in the playoffs with other teams. Edited January 11, 2018 by DrDawkinstein 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Can't really argue, although it's debatable this team will be back in the playoff mix next year given the impending roster overhaul. But with a good offseason, looking forward to NP taking a major step forward and being the franchise QB that takes this team deep in the playoffs, whether it's next year or 2019 and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Can't really argue, although it's debatable this team will be back in the playoff mix next year given the impending roster overhaul. But with a good offseason, looking forward to NP taking a major step forward and being the franchise QB that takes this team deep in the playoffs, whether it's next year or 2019 and beyond. In the time you typed that Peterman threw 3 picks and gave a rousing "I'll learn from this" presser. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Can't really argue, although it's debatable this team will be back in the playoff mix next year given the impending roster overhaul. But with a good offseason, looking forward to NP taking a major step forward and being the franchise QB that takes this team deep in the playoffs, whether it's next year or 2019 and beyond. I am looking forward to him holding a clip board for the duration of his rookie deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 If you can find a biography on Murphy, he is a very interesting story. I was on his high school team, he was a star in three sports and the nicest guy you could ever meet. Not surprised he would make a statement like that. It's a helluva story making the Redskins as a free agent in the George Allen era and where his career led him after his playing days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Of all the GMs in the NFL during the time Whaley was a GM, no GM has more draft picks that are still on NFL rosters than Doug Whaley. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The McCoy trade fell into his lap? I know you probably hate Whaley, but give the man his due. I highly doubt Whaley would have given up one of his high 2013 draft picks, Alonso, so easily for McCoy. Whales (as Brandon called him) is a guy who, weeks into the 2015 season, traded the backup QB, Matt Cassel, to get Manuel on the game day roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Couldnt be more wrong. With the constant coaching turnover, Whaley basically put together MULTIPLE playoff caliber teams while in Buffalo. Re-signed Eric Wood Signed Incognito Drafted Miller (who I believe is being mis/under-used) Signed Clay (Clay has underperformed for the contract Whaley gave him, and is seen as a bad deal) Drafted O'Leary Traded for McCoy Re-signed Kyle (multiple times I believe) Traded for Hughes Drafted Washington Signed Alexander 4 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: That's basically the foundation of this team. Not to mention, his guys Searcy, Cockrell, Bradham, Watkins, Woods, Dareus, Seymour, Ragland, and Darby are ALL in the playoffs with other teams. While he may have technically been with the team through the draft, I wouldn't give him any credit for anything that was done after Sean McDermott was hired. He also gave Dareus that huge contract, that would have crippled us down the road. The Glenn signing doesn't look at hat good if he can't get back on the field, and Groy has been a backup all year. He couldn't beat out DuCasse, who most on here would agree is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hey guys...is Murphy from WNY? I wasn't sure based on the responses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DrDawkinstein Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: While he may have technically been with the team through the draft, I wouldn't give him any credit for anything that was done after Sean McDermott was hired. He also gave Dareus that huge contract, that would have crippled us down the road. The Glenn signing doesn't look at hat good if he can't get back on the field, and Groy has been a backup all year. He couldn't beat out DuCasse, who most on here would agree is terrible. It takes a team and full staff of scouts an entire year to put together a draft board, and scouting reports, and player profiles, and do interviews, etc., etc. McDermott did NOT have time to do his own recon while working as DC for the Panthers. That is not what coaches do, especially assistants. While I agree that McD had a say in which specific players were drafted, just like all previous Bills HCs, he was definitely working off of Whaley's intelligence, information, and advisement. Each had equal hand in making that draft happen. It's also exactly why no matter who fell to us, McD was not going to draft a QB. He wanted his own GMs recon for a position that important. But White, Dawkins, and Milano were all standard Whaley guys. Yes, he gave Dareus a huge contract, that at the time we ALL wanted to happen. Had he let our #3 overall choice, the highest draft pick the Bills had in over a decade, walk for nothing after his rookie contract was up, that would have been even worse. Just like the HCs get some credit/blame for the draft, some if not most of the details of that contract are on Overdorff who personally oversaw contracts and the cap. I won't ever say Whaley is completely innocent there, but he had to get Dareus signed. Injuries are always hindsight, wrt Glenn, he still got the contract for our LT done, unlike most of the GMs before him. And I blame Castillo, who I say should be fired, for the way he has handled Groy and Miller while starting Ducasse. The talent is there. Edited January 11, 2018 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It takes a team and full staff of scouts an entire year to put together a draft board, and scouting reports, and player profiles, and do interviews, etc., etc. McDermott did NOT have time to do his own recon while working as DC for the Panthers. That is not what coaches do, especially assistants. While I agree that McD had a say in which specific players were drafted, just like all previous Bills HCs, he was definitely working off of Whaley's intelligence, information, and advisement. Each had equal hand in making that draft happen. It's also exactly why no matter who fell to us, McD was not going to draft a QB. He wanted his own GMs recon for a position that important. But White, Dawkins, and Milano were all standard Whaley guys. Yes, he gave Dareus a huge contract, that at the time we ALL wanted to happen. Had he let our #3 overall choice, the highest draft pick the Bills had in over a decade, walk for nothing after his rookie contract was up, that would have been even worse. Just like the HCs get some credit/blame for the draft, some if not most of the details of that contract are on Overdorff who personally oversaw contracts and the cap. I won't ever say Whaley is completely innocent there, but he had to get Dareus signed. Injuries are always hindsight, wrt Glenn, he still got the contract for our LT done, unlike most of the GMs before him. And I blame Castillo, who I say should be fired, for the way he has handled Groy and Miller while starting Ducasse. The talent is there. It wasn't so much Dareus's huge contract, but the fact that there was no out or money we could get back when he was being a !@#$ up, that was the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Murphy is from Western New York . I think 99.99% of BILLS fans are. It's mostly been our cross to bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The McCoy trade fell into his lap? I know you probably hate Whaley, but give the man his due. I give Whaley his due for being able to find the talent he found, especially in the middle rounds, and for the Hughes/McCoy trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: It wasn't so much Dareus's huge contract, but the fact that there was no out or money we could get back when he was being a !@#$ up, that was the problem. I'm aware, and agree. But those details were mostly Overdorff's responsibility. The buck stops at the GM (well, not really with Pegula's crappy flat structure, but I digress...) The buck stops at the GM, but the Bills had to get that contract done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I’d rather not argue Whaley this or that because it doesn’t matter. What Murphy said was true. The Bills were a playoff team with a not so great QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Can't really argue, although it's debatable this team will be back in the playoff mix next year given the impending roster overhaul. But with a good offseason, looking forward to NP taking a major step forward and being the franchise QB that takes this team deep in the playoffs, whether it's next year or 2019 and beyond. You are so good at this!! You know the exact buttons to push and when to push them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You are so good at this!! You know the exact buttons to push and when to push them. The true sign of a "high level executive" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: So you have to instigate the trade to get credit for it? Moving the goal posts, are we? How about the Hughes trade? The acquisition of Alexander or Clay or Incognito? You're being absolutely ridiculous. Yes. If he'd called and asked for McCoy, then offered Kiko and it was accepted, it would be a completely different animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Well obviously GB wouldn't know a good QB when it sees one, Tyrod is the reason we were in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Like I’ve been saying for a long time now. Tyrod will never be a #1 QB ever again after leaving Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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