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6 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

I mean there is no better time to do this with NFL fans dwindling. 

 

I would be a fan of this if it is used as a minor league for NFL. NFL needs a minor league. Every other sport has one. 

It just seems pretty extreme especially with the CTE issue going on

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Another league could def work, if they used it as an NFL minor league. If every team already had a tie in with an existing fan base, it would certainly help the interest. Every NFL team brings 90 guys to camp and there are so many other UDFAs on the cusp of getting a chance but not able to get an oppertunity. If each nfl team was able to send some of the extra camp bodies and practice squad guys etc to a developmental league in the offseason..it would benifit of parties. The NFL would have another revenue stream, people would get more football, teams would have a place to develop players without needing to use roster spots. It could work but it would only work with NFL involvement. Plus you could play in smaller venues close to where the nfl teams play. That would create a more affordable experience for family’s. Maybe the Bills team could play in Rochester or Toronto. Just saying.

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7 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

They've tried to bring the USFL back about a dozen times since it folded. I'm not sure if this one would work either, but it would be fun to see it again. 

 

a minor league would be great, but when the upstart tries outbidding the NFL it is lights out soon

 

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9 minutes ago, row_33 said:

start watching the CFL, it's a step up from college, an option QB game, and nowhere near the NFL's power or talent levels

 

 

Ya for sure. I'm Canadian and for sure know where you are coming from.

 

The only part that bothers me about the CFL is some of their rules. (If you miss the field goal, you get a point if the other team doesn't return it out) In saying that, the NFL has a lot of dumb rules as well

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14 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Ya for sure. I'm Canadian and for sure know where you are coming from.

 

The only part that bothers me about the CFL is some of their rules. (If you miss the field goal, you get a point if the other team doesn't return it out) In saying that, the NFL has a lot of dumb rules as well

 

with the 25 yard end zone and the goal post on the goal line the end zone is often in play for returns, and yeah biffing a 25 yard FG shouldn't get a reward

 

and they take it so seriously heading westward starting with Winnipeg, and a few crazies in my life in Toronto and the Hammer who are really into it still

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

with the 25 yard end zone and the goal post on the goal line the end zone is often in play for returns, and yeah biffing a 25 yard FG shouldn't get a reward

 

and they take it so seriously heading westward starting with Winnipeg, and a few crazies in my life in Toronto and the Hammer who are really into it still

 

 

 

 

For sure. Saskatchewan probably has the best fans as they sellout pretty much every game. There are some die hards In Toronto but it's honestly not taken too serious around here. The Hammer definitely has a lot of die hards there

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...isn't he the guy from WWF or WTF?.........can't remember..........

Hahaha. Ya WWE or something like that. Whatever wrestling is lol

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Say what you want about the XFL......  Did it ultimately fail the first time around?  Yes, but it wasn't without a lot of positive things coming out of it.  In fact, the XFL changed the way the NFL presented its product.  From cameras and angles, to more on-field microphones and overall presentation, the XFL revolutionized the way football was visually presented. (Plus, their football looked pretty sweet.)

 

That said, the XFL failed for a lot of reasons, but the primary one is that they legitimately thought they could compete with the NFL.  Obviously, this is not going to happen.  However, if they rework their ultimate goal and focus more on the development of players and giving guys that don't make the final cut in the NFL another outlet to play the game, I think they could do something good.  Today, more-so than ever in the past, there are a lot of talented football players that just aren't quite ready for the NFL for 1 reason or another.  If the XFL comes back and is not presented as an over-the-top sideshow lie it was the first time around, and it presented itself as a well put together, organized, and serious league so that they can attract better players, there might be some potential there.   And, obviously, the rules would have to be adjusted in a way that makes for a bit of a safer game.  Do they have to go as far as the NFL does?  Definitely not, but rules would have to be modified.

 

Also, remember that the TV landscape is a lot different than it used to be.  While I am sure they would love a national TV deal, if that isn't feasible, the WWE already has a distribution outlet with their own WWE Network.  So, their network is a resource that they didn't have before that could be used to help them if necessary.

 

All in all, while it may be a long shot for it to work, I think with a different mission statement, a better product with better players, and a more professional presentation, there is room for more football, especially during the NFL off-season.  I think any football fan should root for it to succeed because, in the end, more places for guys to play and develop their skills is a good thing for the NFL.

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16 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

 

Also, remember that the TV landscape is a lot different than it used to be.  While I am sure they would love a national TV deal, if that isn't feasible, the WWE already has a distribution outlet with their own WWE Network.  So, their network is a resource that they didn't have before that could be used to help them if necessary.

 

If there's any truth the rumors, TV Distribution is the key. 

 

The original XFL was partnered with NBC who at the time was left out of the big money NFL contract.  But I don't think NBC was ever totally on board.  The XFL was a risky investment to go up against the NFL/Disney/Fox/CBS/DirecTV behemouth. I suspect some at NBC didn't want to push too hard to begin with in the hopes of getting a seat back at the table, as they eventually did with Sunday Night Football

 

The UFL never really had any kind of network distribution

 

Now in 2017, a new football league doesn't need the alphabet broadcasters to distribute their product.  Partner with Amazon or Netflix or Youtube and stream it all online.  Kickoff is at noon but you can start the stream from the beginning whenever you feel like it and not miss a play

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All good points here.  I'd also run it as a spring league, air when the NFL is not in season to give fans of football someone to watch yet not compete with the cash cow that is the NFL.

 

streaming services certainly change the network landscape of revenues streams.  Only problem I see here is the initial push to have fans watch.  

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10 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

All good points here.  I'd also run it as a spring league, air when the NFL is not in season to give fans of football someone to watch yet not compete with the cash cow that is the NFL.

 

streaming services certainly change the network landscape of revenues streams.  Only problem I see here is the initial push to have fans watch.  

 

 

...ever wonder why the NFL is the only major sport without a minor league/developmental system?.......MONEY....all of the other majors have draft systems depending on collegiate ranks to provide players as did the NCAA to the NFL.....but that is no longer a major focus of the NCAA IMO ...boosters, butts in the seats and mega million bowl games is their focus versus serving as NFL minor league....look at the woeful plight of the QB spot for starters....NFLE folded because it was a MONEY LOSING proposition.....so sinking NFL ratings, advertisers possibly rethinking their exorbitant dollars investment, etc may be a good thing, but I doubt it....

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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I still think spring ball can work. Make it a spring league and he's got a chance.

Don't you think it's a crazy idea though, especially with all the research on CTE? Football alone has tons of problems with that, and XFL from what I remember is even more violent 

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1 hour ago, JinxedBill1 said:

All good points here.  I'd also run it as a spring league, air when the NFL is not in season to give fans of football someone to watch yet not compete with the cash cow that is the NFL.

 

streaming services certainly change the network landscape of revenues streams.  Only problem I see here is the initial push to have fans watch.  

 

Problem with Spring league football is most of the players are trying to make rosters being drafted, in mini-camps, etc. Maybe you get some players not drafted who cannot find UDFA deals and players cut and not signed looking to show skills one last time but I do not think there is enough players.

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4 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

I mean there is no better time to do this with NFL fans dwindling. 

 

I would be a fan of this if it is used as a minor league for NFL. NFL needs a minor league. Every other sport has one. 

Haha. Dwindling. Only 13.2 million people watched last Sunday night's game!!! The league is in free fall. Hopefully, they don't cancel the SB.  

 

the NFL is dying truthers are funny. 

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5 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

I mean there is no better time to do this with NFL fans dwindling. 

 

I would be a fan of this if it is used as a minor league for NFL. NFL needs a minor league. Every other sport has one. 

 

Where to start?

 

"dwindling"?  not quite.  And forget the ill-logic that, if the fans of real pro football are "dwindling", the rating of a circus league filled with nobodies would be a rating s bonanza.

 

And the NFL does fine with the NCAA as it's minor league.

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5 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

It just seems pretty extreme especially with the CTE issue going on

Coupled with the fact that the XFL prides itself on hard knockout hits.. like doing away with the fair catch. 

 

Yes, this is what we need back in action! 

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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

A reality tv host is our president. Anything is possible in stupid America.

 

honestly, I would love a really good minor league pro football league in the summer.  It would be great for Qbs to develop.

 

 

Better than a community organizer.

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The XFL isn't and never would be coming back as a minor league to the NFL. McMahon wouldn't sink money into it if it wasn't as a competition.

 

Seeing as how he is buddies with Trump, and the current belief by the friend that the NFL is in serious trouble losung ratings cause they wont stand for the anthem, its time to start some competition for those who quit the NFL. I guarantee they will install a rule requiring all players stand for the anthems (maybe while Hulk Hogan comes out playing air guitar to his music dressed in the flag) and forget the fake news and their CTE worries, the harder the hits the better, players will just shake it off and get back in the game instead of the NFLs girlie concussion protocol stuff. Real men shake off concussions while standing for the Anthem.......

 

The NCAA is not a minor league system for the NFL, the NFL teams cant t

Send a player down to develop or play there until they are ready. If they don't make the NFL team or PS, they are out of a job unless someone else picks them up. There's no place for them to develop and then get called up like other leagues

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58 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

I don’t understand the minor league point. The NFL already has a minor league, it’s called the NCAA. They aren’t going away any time soon. 

Well. Basketball also have NCAA and they have the D league and G league and all the summer leagues. And of course there is college hockey and college baseball. Not as popular as basketball or football but point being that all these kids that come out of college can make a living playing and have a chance to prove themselves further. All the UDFAs will get much more of a shot. And teams would get the ability to develop players at a professional level.

 

Gotta remember. Without the Europe Football league that Fred Jackson went to which was affliate of the Bills... Fred may never have played a single down in the NFL. 

 

I'd like to see every football team have a minor league affiliate. Designate 20 guys off the 53 man minor league roster than can't be touched and have the undesignated guys be able to be signed to any of the NFL teams 

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I think there would be decent demand for:

1. A spring league

2. That functions at least to some degree as a minor league system for the NFL -- that is, teams with some kind of NFL player development affiliation, at least for a bunch of players on each team. Or perhaps with some draft rules that encourage college feeder regionalization. Think a team in Birmingham Alabama with draft rights over Alabama and Auburn players.

3. That, unlike the old XFL, experiments with rules to create a wider open, higher scoring, less hard hitting game (with an eye toward not injuring those NFL minor leaguers)

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I agree with many, I think a spring league would be an excellent idea, when people still have football in their blood but have nothing to watch. There are a ton of players who just need a chance to showcase talents, for every Kurt Warner there must be 1,000's of others who just don't have a 2nd outlet to showcase, this would be an excellent way to do that. Like many have said, if McMahon doesn't make it into a mockery having guys named "he hate me" and what not and they take it serious but don't go up against the NFL, heck maybe they can even come up with rules that reduce blows to the head or a new helmet, should be interesting.

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I would love a football league that ran in the off (NFL/NCAAF) season! A developmental league for the NFL would be ideal, but I'd be happy just to have football year round. I think two basic styles might work. Either NFL teams assign prospects (maybe practice squads)  to the teams (I'm assuming a small league of 4-8 teams would be the only way to do it, or NFL teams are required to draft players from the league, maybe there's a developmental draft separate from the normal college draft. I think it could be a lot of fun, and maybe give a shot to some people who just can't go the college route, including foreign players who need a place to convert from other sports, like rugby, but just can't make US college work. Anyways, I'd love any kind of "real" football to be year round. Arena just doesn't cut it for me, and the offseason is always the longest 6 months of my life.

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