dezertbill Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, JM57 said: A good coach tailors his scheme to the talent he has instead of forcing players into roles that they are not suited for them. Taylors numbers are identical to his first two seasons. The Bills finished 7-9 and 8-8. They are now 5-4 with Taylor. So your saying Taylor's play is Dennison's fault? How about Greg Roman? Anthony Lynn? Everyone said TT needed to learn how to stretch the field and use the middle of the field more, trust his receivers and anticipate throws. A trait that most every successful NFL QB does. That has been the knock on him since his first year here. It's not Dennison's fault that TT can't do what other successful QB's do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Can we just steal the Houston or KC playbook and have an intern randomly call plays? I can't see how it would be worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Dennison's offense is pathetic. He needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) With Lynn as OC and Tyrod as QB last year, Bills scored 27 PPG. This year that would be the 7th highest scoring offense. Same QB, same RB, same offensive line, same overall receiving quality. Dennison’s offense is trash. Edited November 20, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 This is 100% on the head coach who hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JM57 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, dezertbill said: Taylors numbers are identical to his first two seasons. The Bills finished 7-9 and 8-8. They are now 5-4 with Taylor. So your saying Taylor's play is Dennison's fault? How about Greg Roman? Anthony Lynn? Everyone said TT needed to learn how to stretch the field and use the middle of the field more, trust his receivers and anticipate throws. A trait that most every successful NFL QB does. That has been the knock on him since his first year here. It's not Dennison's fault that TT can't do what other successful QB's do. If you judge a quarterback by wins and losses I can't help you friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 What is it going to take to fire this guy? Another year like this? I don't think I could take another year of this clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Nihilarian said: This bozo told McD that Peterman was ready and he wasn't even close. Juan Castillo has got to go too! Tyrod doesn't "fit" his scheme kinda like that pro bowl D line didn't fit Rex Ryan's scheme. I'll be happy to see a new offensive coaching staff next year! I think McDermott will eventually get completely fed up with the entire offensive staff. Leave Tyrod Taylor in for the rest of this season and change your offense to his strengths....no more west coast bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: I think McDermott will eventually get completely fed up with the entire offensive staff. Leave Tyrod Taylor in for the rest of this season and change your offense to his strengths....no more west coast bs. I'd think McDermott has to be at this point. He's tried Dennison's way for 10 weeks with some minimal success and a few gigantic failures. Might be time to review last year's offense game tapes when ALynn was OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Frazier first. I think there are units in complete revolt against their unit coaches and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, dpberr said: Frazier first. I think there are units in complete revolt against their unit coaches and it shows. It's all the coordinators felt and not the idiots who keep getting rid of their talent players. Frazier was a better D.C. With Dareus. dennison would have been a better OC with Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Dennison took a good-but-not-great offense and made it inept. I can't think of any reason to retain him except the legendary "continuity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, dezertbill said: Taylors numbers are identical to his first two seasons. The Bills finished 7-9 and 8-8. They are now 5-4 with Taylor. So your saying Taylor's play is Dennison's fault? How about Greg Roman? Anthony Lynn? Everyone said TT needed to learn how to stretch the field and use the middle of the field more, trust his receivers and anticipate throws. A trait that most every successful NFL QB does. That has been the knock on him since his first year here. It's not Dennison's fault that TT can't do what other successful QB's do. The problem is that the offense has been starting slow all season and the OC usually scripts 10-15 plays to start the game. Those clearly aren't working very well. The other problem is the rush offense was #1 for the previous two seasons and is now 18th which is close to worst in the league than the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I'm actually missing Greg Roman a little. At least with him we had a top rushing game. With Dennison this offense really isn't good at anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 7:20 PM, JM57 said: If you judge a quarterback by wins and losses I can't help you friend I'm not. My point is he is the same QB he has been the last few years. Stats are the same and record the same. TT is what he is. OC doesn't matter. He's played with three of them...same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, dezertbill said: I'm not. My point is he is the same QB he has been the last few years. Stats are the same and record the same. TT is what he is. OC doesn't matter. He's played with three of them...same result. The results last season were markedly different actually. The offense was a lot more productive, one of the better scoring offenses in the league. With a taxi squad group of WRs at times. That was the Greg Roman offense ( taken over by Lynn in week 3) . It was much more Tyrod friendly of a scheme. If the Bills ran the Roman offense and managed to repair the defense , this team would be a lot better.. a LOT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The results last season were markedly different actually. The offense was a lot more productive, one of the better scoring offenses in the league. With a taxi squad group of WRs at times. That was the Greg Roman offense ( taken over by Lynn in week 3) . It was much more Tyrod friendly of a scheme. If the Bills ran the Roman offense and managed to repair the defense , this team would be a lot better.. a LOT. TT did put up better stats and the team did score more last year. But his knock was always his inability to consistently stretch the field and hit receivers who are in tight windows. Look, I've been a big TT fan for a while. I've stood up for him on many a threads. He has a unique skillset that many QB's don't have, and his deep ball can look almost Michael Vick like. But bottom line is he doesn't stretch the field enough and it drives me mad. That 5 yard dump off to Mike Tolbert on 3 and 12 when we were down by a gazillion was a WTF moment. Do I believe it's cause he doesn't want to make mistakes? Yes. Hence low INT"s. But at the end of the day you need a guy who can anticipate throws and not allow the front seven to stack the box. Taylor's 187 passing yards per game ranks him 32nd in the league behind guys like Mike Glennon, Jacoby Brissett and Matt Moore. His longest pass play of 44 yards ranks him 31st. He is 22nd in plays of 40+ yards and is the 4th most sacked QB. Those stats will not win you games consistently, especially when you fall behind. Pound for pound his receivers are about equal. You can blame blocking scheme, sun in his eyes, whatever. TT is a guy who can win games with a lights out D that gets a lot of turnovers. Brady has led so many ridiculous come backs I can't even count. Jim Kelly did as well. We need that kind of production at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Mike McCoy is available. (Although we've learned that his crap really only worked with Peyton Manning. But come to think of it, what exactly is Peyton Manning doing these days?) I was hoping we would see if Tyrod could show us something new with a full complement of decent weapons: Benjamin, Matthews, the no-longer-deer-caught-in-the-headlights Zay, Clay, Shady ... but it was not to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'm on board for him or Frazier, one of them needs to go at this point. Both sides of the ball are horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 33 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: what exactly is Peyton Manning doing these days?) Filming Nationwide commercials with Brad Paisley; pretty funny too. I though I remember Peyton saying that he has no interest in coaching at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 11:39 PM, Klaista2k said: I'm actually missing Greg Roman a little. At least with him we had a top rushing game. With Dennison this offense really isn't good at anything. Both Greg Roman and Anthony Lynn running Roman's blocking scheme had the Bills #2 in rushing attempts, #1 in rushing yards, #1 in rushing TD's and #1 in yards per rushing attempt. Lynn had more rushing TD's 29 vs 19 and a better YPA 5.3 to 4.8. Still, the 2017 Buffalo Bills are 11th in rushing attempts, 11th in rushing yards, 12th in TD's and 16th in yards per average. This might be mostly the same players all around on offense. Just not the same run blocking scheme or play calls. Dennison might be the OC but Juan Castillo is the run game coordinator and O line coach. For me, the guy that needs replacing is Juan Castillo as he isn't doing good enough in either of his jobs. In other words, he sucks. The Bills need to find their run game really fast to save both the QB from getting killed and defense from being on the field all game...or this season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 8:32 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Peterman IS the best suited QB on our roster to run Dennison's scheme! I totally believe that the QB switch was at Dennison's urging - that said... Dennison's inflexibility or desparate need caused the debacle in Sundays game. The Peterman we saw on Sunday was not the same guy that came into the Saints game. When the kid had the first interception he got rattled. Instead of an OC who was trying to help the kid by by going back to the run game for a bit, Dennison kept calling passing plays. WHY, WHY, WHY did Dennison not back off and just call run plays for a bit to give the kid a chance to shake it off? We have seen evidence of Dennisons inflexible play calling all season. Dennison NEEDS TO GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, cd1 said: Peterman IS the best suited QB on our roster to run Dennison's scheme! I totally believe that the QB switch was at Dennison's urging - that said... Dennison's inflexibility or desparate need caused the debacle in Sundays game. The Peterman we saw on Sunday was not the same guy that came into the Saints game. When the kid had the first interception he got rattled. Instead of an OC who was trying to help the kid by by going back to the run game for a bit, Dennison kept calling passing plays. WHY, WHY, WHY did Dennison not back off and just call run plays for a bit to give the kid a chance to shake it off? We have seen evidence of Dennisons inflexible play calling all season. Dennison NEEDS TO GO! Dennison does need to go. He is terrible. However, you cant just keep calling run plays. Other than a few, they weren't working. That puts Peterman in 3rd and long and under even more pressure. Peterman was not the same as was seen on Sunday because the Saints didn't throw the sink at him. Peterman was the same you saw in preseason when pressured. Inaccurate throws. He might be ok if we had an oline but we don't. I said going into the game that any smart coach would send the house against Peterman. They did. They didn't even have to because they got penetration with just 4 guys. With not even one game of play the book was out on Peterman. Give the kid some pressure and he cant throw the football and makes poor choices. If he had an oline and some run support the kid would probably do alright, but so would Tyrod and a lot of other QBs that look like ****. This is not the kid to build around. This is a kid you hope can grow into a solid backup on the cheap. This is a kid that Belichick would hold onto for 3 to 4 years and fleece some team for some draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phils n Bills Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I don’t see why you’d get rid of an offensive coordinator week 12 of the season. If a move were to be made there, it would have to be in the off season. We don’t have an Anthony Lynn waiting in the wings. And installing a new system week 12 is just not possible. A switch from Leslie would be easier to do given that McDermott could take over for a few weeks until a new one can be found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I suspect McD is the type of coach who is quick to run his players out for not getting in line, but extraordinarily stubborn about refusing to hold coaches accountable. Plus he’s a young first time coach who probably feels like he owes lots of favors to his staff for choosing to follow him and support him. And he picked his own GM! Think Beane is gonna pressure McD to make changes? Don’t expect anything different folks, it ain’t happening unless the Pegulas wake up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phils n Bills Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I suspect McD is the type of coach who is quick to run his players out for not getting in line, but extraordinarily stubborn about refusing to hold coaches accountable. Plus he’s a young first time coach who probably feels like he owes lots of favors to his staff for choosing to follow him and support him. And he picked his own GM! Think Beane is gonna pressure McD to make changes? Don’t expect anything different folks, it ain’t happening unless the Pegulas wake up. Kind of feels like a chip Kelly-Eagles situation right now. Stubbornly trading talent for cheap so you can install what you think is a plug and play system that can be successful no matter who is operating in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, Phils n Bills said: Kind of feels like a chip Kelly-Eagles situation right now. Stubbornly trading talent for cheap so you can install what you think is a plug and play system that can be successful no matter who is operating in it. Except that Chip at least was trying to anticipate trends. His offense was rudimentary in design but modern in execution and speed. Whereas the Bills’ strategy on both offense and defense can best be described as “hiding under the blanket so bad things won’t happen.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucketList Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 What did you expect from a Baltimore and Denver castaway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 This guy has some of the worst play calling I've ever seen. Fire his ass right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 you know this didn't need it's own thread. plenty of it in the gdt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: you know this didn't need it's own thread. plenty of it in the gdt Dennison is so bad that it deserves its own thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Damn straight. Totally gutless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I feel like we need a fire Dennison thread every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 How many fire threads are you going to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) Our final drive before the 2 minute warning was absolutely atrocious. I have to give McD his fair share of blame there as well since he has proven to be an ultra conservative thinker as well. Edited November 26, 2017 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Dennison still needs to go. Only problem is who would be the OC and call the plays? Low bar, but still need someone (not Castillo)..maybe a HS coach since their season is over, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I'm down with that plan. Only issue is who will call the plays? Our QB Coach has never done it before in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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