papazoid Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) explaining june 1st cuts http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/ possible June 1st cuts (cap hit/ dead money) Manny Lawson ($3.1/$1.5) Chris Williams ($3.3/$2.6) injury settlement or helps in 2016 Matt Cassel ($4.7/ $0 ) zero dead money makes him vulnerable if not starter Leodis McKelvin ($4.9/$2.0) graham played well at corner in his absense Anthony Dixon ($1.3/$0.3) crowded backfield Edited March 31, 2015 by papazoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Already making a list and it's not even April. Wonder if these guys can feel it. Edited March 21, 2015 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 There is no way Leo gets cut, Cassel you just traded for he's not getting cut, Boobie while in a crowded backfield is a big time ST player not cutting him, Manny only if we needed the space, Williams I could see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 explaining june 1st cuts http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/ possible June 1st cuts (cap hit/ dead money) Manny Lawson ($3.1/$1.5) IMO not going to get the axe as he fits a Rex D much better than he did a Schwartz one (I thought he was pretty bad in last years TBH) Chris Williams ($3.3/$2.6) injury settlement or helps in 2016 too much for a replacement and not really a good fit/ often injured....I would draft a replacement but not keeping him could be a costly mistake too. Matt Cassel ($4.7/ $0 ) zero dead money makes him vulnerable if not starter So they picked him up to cut him? No Leodis McKelvin ($4.9/$2.0) graham played well at corner in his absense I could see Leo getting the axe, don't want him starting over Graham TBH, if he sticks, I don't know why he hasn't ever looked great but he only looked good in Petine's year and then not great. Graham was a real nice pick up. Love the guy Anthony Dixon ($1.3/$0.3) crowded backfield Still not that expensive (none of these guys really are... well maybe McKelvin) if I was coach I would put in a system and see how they fit it and cut after June 1 (and by extension TC, PS), Aint my money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Marcus Thigpen or guards, DJ Morrel and Alex Kupper or CBs Jonte Greene and Rod Sweeting There are others. Lot of names on the roster of guys we never heard of unless of course yo actually look at the roster here: http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 CB depth is HUGE - no way Leo gets cut. Manny excelled under Pettine and I think he's in Rex's plans. Only guy I see getting the boot is Chris Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 This is really going to come down to who is available from other teams via trade and/or cuts and how the draft falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Ridiculous to even have Cassel on this list if you even know anything about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanMike Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 CB depth is HUGE - no way Leo gets cut. Manny excelled under Pettine and I think he's in Rex's plans. Only guy I see getting the boot is Chris Williams. +1 This is the only person I wouldn't mind seeing cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamez9 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Those aren't the June 1st numbers. The cap savings by cutting them with the June 1st designation are below as provided by OTC. Manny Lawson: $2,350,000 ($3.1M cap less $750k dead money) Chris Williams: $2,475,000 ($3.35M cap less $875k dead money) Matt Cassel: $4,750,000 ($4.75M cap less $0 dead money) Leodis McKelvin: $3,900,000 ($4.9M cap less $1.0M dead money) Anthony Dixon: $1,100,000 ($1,266,666 cap less $166,666 dead money) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) CB depth is HUGE - no way Leo gets cut. This. Buddy always said "ya gotta draft a CB every year. At least one." Also, recently, Whaley said the same thing. "“That’s a possibility,” he said. “Until you hit on one (drafting) quarterbacks and cornerbacks (every year isn’t wrong) because it’s a passing league that’s an approach some subscribe to and I’m not opposed to it.” http://blogs.buffalobills.com/tag/doug-whaley/ ----------- We have one in Leodis. He may not be Deion Sanders, but he can play. If these guys have a CB who can play, they wont cut him just because he isnt "elite." Edited March 21, 2015 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I sincerely hope the starting QB and starting CB are not on the June 1 cut list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Me thinks Williams is the only one on this list who could get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Cassel and McKelvin aren't getting cut even if Cassel's not the starter, he's still a valuable asset to this team. Graham played well but McKelvin played better and he's finally coming around. Williams and Lawson are expendable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Williams is the only player I can see getting cut. They could ask mckelvin to restructure some. They could ask Cassel to restructure his contract to open up space to add another player. With Davis.....he will be held onto. You have no idea what injuries could happen. Buffalo could deal one of the backs if other teams need someone. Another factor here is who they draft. This could push 1-2 name players out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 It would not shock me to see Leo get cut......which is unfortunate We have Gilmore, Graham, Robey.......after your first 3 you have to rely on you drafting when it comes to the corner position. We just drafted a quality kid this last year that doesnt get any playing time because of the talent in front of him....... I actually dont hate Chris Williams.....but his back injury scares the crap out of me. These big bodies dont recover well from those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 It would not shock me to see Leo get cut......which is unfortunate We have Gilmore, Graham, Robey.......after your first 3 you have to rely on you drafting when it comes to the corner position. We just drafted a quality kid this last year that doesnt get any playing time because of the talent in front of him....... I actually dont hate Chris Williams.....but his back injury scares the crap out of me. These big bodies dont recover well from those. What quality corner did we draft last year? The 6th rounder from Duke? Over Leo? Does no one remember Leo's back to back picks against Minny to keep us in it? The guy was leading the league in INT's before he got hurt. He's good. He's not going to be a casualty for some late rounder who hasn't seen a down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I think they bring in Lawson as we are uber thin at LB without him. McKelvin had his best season as a pro in 2013 under Pettine's coaching and was solid before his injury last season so I think he will be on the roster (Rex also likes his corners). Cassell is Kyle Orton 2.0 so he won't be cut as even if EJ seizes the position they need a good backup. Dixon is too valuable a special teams player and pretty affordable. Only one I could see getting cut is Williams. But I think they bring Williams into camp to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I don't think any of them will be gone. A knee jerk reaction is to think Williams is gone. Read it here first. Surgery and all that down time equals reinvigorated OL contributor. Williams starts and has great year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 As useless as this speculation might be most times, it's completely meaningless before the draft. Can we at least see who the rookies are before we start cutting veterans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Cutting Lawson and Cassel make no sense to me. Lawson was one of our better players in Pettine's defense and he's an ideal SLB for Rex. And what would be the point of trading for Cassel and then cutting him 2 months later? Edited March 21, 2015 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 As useless as this speculation might be most times, it's completely meaningless before the draft. Can we at least see who the rookies are before we start cutting veterans? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 There is no way Leo gets cut, Cassel you just traded for he's not getting cut, Boobie while in a crowded backfield is a big time ST player not cutting him, Manny only if we needed the space, Williams I could see.Guys like boobie and Spikes are needed. They bring mad energy and leadership. I hope we re-sign Spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Williams and Jackson will be gone. Jackson will look old and slow in OTA's and that will be the end. I would be ok with Williams in the guard competition if his back is ok - though that is very doubtful. Leodis will start over Graham though both will see a tone of playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Williams and Jackson will be gone. Jackson will look old and slow in OTA's and that will be the end. I would be ok with Williams in the guard competition if his back is ok - though that is very doubtful. Leodis will start over Graham though both will see a tone of playing time. Shouldn't you put "Imo" at the bottom of that post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv shitz Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 No way Leodis is better than Graham. I think Leodis IS expendable, and very overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) It would not shock me to see Leo get cut......which is unfortunate We have Gilmore, Graham, Robey.......after your first 3 you have to rely on you drafting when it comes to the corner position. We just drafted a quality kid this last year that doesnt get any playing time because of the talent in front of him....... I actually dont hate Chris Williams.....but his back injury scares the crap out of me. These big bodies dont recover well from those. For once, I have to disagree with you on something. And anyone who remembers the Justin Rogers fiasco from a couple years ago should as well. Luckily, Whaley was around for that and that's exactly why he went out and signed Corey Graham last year. You need more than 3 startable CBs on the team. More like 5, with your depth being decent to good vets. Gilmore, McKelvin, Graham, Robey, and Brooks would be the base corp, with guys like Cockrell and rookies fighting for those 5th and 6th spots. I have no problem with them choosing a CB and having him jump into the #2 spot and moving McKelvin down to 4-5. But I think they still keep McKelvin around, even at his price, for good depth and ST. Injuries will happen, often to CBs. Or if Aaron Williams, who hits hard and recklessly for a FS, were to injure himself (again), now you have Graham starting at S, and your CB corp instantly depleted without any of them even getting hurt. Remove Graham from the CB equation, and it's pretty scarey all of a sudden. Now watch Whaley go and kill my post by cutting McKelvin. But Id be surprised after the priority he put on bringing in Graham last year. Edited March 22, 2015 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 No way Leodis is better than Graham. I think Leodis IS expendable, and very overrated. You need to go back and watch Leodis play last season then. Before his injury he was playing the best ball of his career and was headed to a sure fire pro bowl selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I don't think any of them will be gone. A knee jerk reaction is to think Williams is gone. Read it here first. Surgery and all that down time equals reinvigorated OL contributor. Williams starts and has great year. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 That very expensive cheerleader we got. What`s her name Fredina ? Something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Shouldn't you put "Imo" at the bottom of that post? Shouldn't we assume it's an opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 What quality corner did we draft last year? The 6th rounder from Duke? Over Leo? Does no one remember Leo's back to back picks against Minny to keep us in it? The guy was leading the league in INT's before he got hurt. He's good. He's not going to be a casualty for some late rounder who hasn't seen a down. Some don't see how much he's improved and how good he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Trade Leo for a guard like Mathis. Leo's int stats look inflated so other teams might think he's actually good And Lawson is finally back in the right defensive scheme. If they kept him last year when he had no position then they will keep him this year now that he's the ideal fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Cutting McKelvin is illogical. He has to have trade value... Even for a late round pick. No way he gets straight cut, his contract is not too heavy for another team to carry when you look at his skill level. More likely he sticks around. I am a big Fred Jackson fan but I still see a good chance he gets cut at some point. The whole way it was happening and then suddenly stopped is suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Trade Leo for a guard like Mathis. Leo's int stats look inflated so other teams might think he's actually good And Lawson is finally back in the right defensive scheme. If they kept him last year when he had no position then they will keep him this year now that he's the ideal fit Leodis is good. That said, I'd consider trading him for the right offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 What quality corner did we draft last year? The 6th rounder from Duke? Over Leo? Does no one remember Leo's back to back picks against Minny to keep us in it? The guy was leading the league in INT's before he got hurt. He's good. He's not going to be a casualty for some late rounder who hasn't seen a down. Cockrell was a 4th rounder actually and I am excited by his potential but I am not for cutting Leo this year, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Cassel and Williams will not get cut, unless we get lucky in the draft or otherwise and bring in a sure fire guard to replace Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Williams and Jackson will be gone. Jackson will look old and slow in OTA's and that will be the end. I would be ok with Williams in the guard competition if his back is ok - though that is very doubtful. Leodis will start over Graham though both will see a tone of playing time. ha ha No way Leodis is better than Graham. I think Leodis IS expendable, and very overrated. he has never been overated. ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 With the premium at CB Leodis will be hard to let go. If someone does step up and outplay him hell be in the least traded. He won't be cut outright. His number is pretty reasonable for another team to handle via trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 As useless as this speculation might be most times, it's completely meaningless before the draft. Can we at least see who the rookies are before we start cutting veterans? I can only imagine the topics generated during the doldrums between FA and May 1st... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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