Sharky7337 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Star contract Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully Edited April 6 by Sharky7337 8 11 26 1 1 1 9 6 4 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) We should definitely fire him. Imagine. Trading away Stephen Diggs. The nerve! Edited April 5 by Blackbeard 2 1 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: We should definitely fire him. Imagine. Trading away Stephen Diggs. The nerve! Has it been good enough? 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: We should definitely fire him. Imagine. Trading away Stephen Diggs. The nerve! Your right, torches and pitchforks, we must march on One Bills Drive right now!!! By the way who’s bringing the beer? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 Just now, Don Otreply said: Your right, torches and pitchforks, we must march on One Bills Drive right now!!! By the way who’s bringing the beer? He hasn't earned criticism? 1 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 6 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully Go look at other teams and you’ll have a different opinion 6 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Allen, DIggs, Edmunds, Poyer, Tre White, Hyde, ... Thats why 5 1 1 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 (edited) 1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Go look at other teams and you’ll have a different opinion Please provide me with an example outside of Denver and Greenbay that have as much money tied up as us on no production Edited April 5 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, Fan in San Diego said: Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Allen, DIggs, Edmunds, Poyer, Tre White, Hyde, ... Thats why Whaley brought up Tre White, Hyde and Poyer. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: He hasn't earned criticism? Do you remember the 20 years before his term? 6 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Josh Allen. 4 straight division titles after two decades in the doldrums… 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 He doesn't He's getting dragged rn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I think Beane has been fairly criticized for the mistakes he's made but he has done a lot of good too. What do you want? To fire him? That would be a huge mistake 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) The Bills have won the 2nd most games in the league since 2020. They've won four straight division titles. The only possible reason to say he "deserves" criticism is because they haven't won a title. But if that's the case, then 31 GMs every single year deserve criticism. Looking at moves in a vacuum for any GM across the league, you're going to see some moves that worked and some that didn't. No GM is immune to mistakes. But looking at the total output and production of a team gives you a sense of what kind of job the team's architect has done. The fact remains that only the Chiefs have won more games than the Bills since 2020, that they've won their division four years in a row, and that they are contenders year in and year out. You want perfection? Go watch a Kurosawa film or listen to a Betthoven sonata. Beane is a very good GM. P.S. Brandon Beane DOES receive criticism, and if you don't see it, then you're not looking in the right places. Go turn on ESPN, Fox Sports 1, or listen to any drive time football radio show, and you'll hear scores of criticism of Beane and his Bills. Heck, the buzziest phrase in football the past two season has been "the Bills window is closed". If you're angry at Brandon Beane and want to criticize him, then just say that. Don't manufacture an immunity to criticism that he does not actually possess. Edited April 5 by Logic 10 2 16 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Just now, Sharky7337 said: Please provide me with an example outside of Denver and Greenbay that have as much money tied up as us on no production You wanna point out the flaws that’s easy. You can do it with every team and GM kincaid shakir brown Bernard Benford Allen Oliver I’m missing some but you get the point. Your post is flat out garbage 4 2 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Christ...who the hell cares? He is here to stay as is McDermott, because Terry loves both and extended them both last year. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, TOboy said: Do you remember the 20 years before his term? You mean the 165 losses between playoff appearances? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said: He hasn't earned criticism? Who on this planet, to include you and me has not earned criticism? Humans don’t do perfect, hell, everything god makes dies, lighten up francis, 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: You wanna point out the flaws that’s easy. You can do it with every team and GM kincaid shakir brown Bernard Benford Allen Oliver I’m missing some but you get the point. Your post is flat out garbage Your reply is equally as bad 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Some of us did not like the 2022 offseason at the time and it has proven to be pretty much an unmitigated disaster: Free Agent signings: Jordan Phillips - $5m Tim Settle - $9m Daquan Jones - $14m Von Miller - $120m Roger Saffold - $6.25m Ryan Bates - $17m OJ Howard - $3.5m Jameson Crowder - $2m Extension: Stefon Diggs - $96m First round pick: Kaiir Elam I know he had some decent success with some of his later picks - Cook, Bernard, Benford - but it is by any standards a bit of a disaster of an offseason. 7 1 1 3 2 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerstAusGosheim Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 14 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Sean's influence in the draft room and free agency has crippled this team. Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough Multiple average running backs Von miller contract Elam sucks It is totally unacceptable in 2024 with Josh Allen as your QB not to have drafted WRs anticipating this day. 1 4 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 6 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully IMO, the ONLY reason he's not getting the heat he deserves is the drafting of Josh Allen!! Although he built a team that had the Bills in the playoffs the past couple of years, I think some of the decisions prevented those teams from winning the SB. The wasted picks of Cody Ford and Boogie Basham are just 2 examples of those decisions. Not acquiring DHop last season is another. Dawson Knox $, IMO, really hurt that possibility. In my bones, I feel that DHop was that missing piece that prevented the Bills from winning the chip. This year's draft will really tell the story of how open this team's SB window is. I hope he hits it out of the park 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: You wanna point out the flaws that’s easy. You can do it with every team and GM kincaid shakir brown Bernard Benford Allen Oliver I’m missing some but you get the point. Your post is flat out garbage You are missing some (Torrence is notable), and we are 5th in Super Bowl odds for next year. It’s not Ike we are hot garbage, despite what some posters want to sell. EVERY GM has hits and misses. To only consider the negative says something that is not really about Beane. . Edited April 5 by Augie 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Just now, GunnerBill said: Some of us did not like the 2022 offseason at the time and it has proven to be pretty much an unmitigated disaster: Free Agent signings: Jordan Phillips - $5m Tim Settle - $9m Daquan Jones - $14m Von Miller - $120m Roger Saffold - $6.25m Ryan Bates - $17m OJ Howard - $3.5m Jameson Crowder - $2m Extension: Stefon Diggs - $96m First round pick: Kaiir Elam I know he had some decent success with some of his later picks - Cook, Bernard, Benford - but it is by any standards a bit of a disaster of an offseason. No it’s not, every team dumps guys in the same fashion ever so often, it’s pretty much SOP, Beane took several swings had some success, ( four consecutive AFCE titles, 2nd in total games won since 2020 iirc etc etc) and now is re-tooling the team, it ain’t nuthin but a thing, no worries…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 26 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully He has been FAR from perfect but he's also gotten a lot right. I would keep Beane moving forward if he wanted to stay when McD gets fired. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: No it’s not, every team dumps guys in the same fashion ever so often, it’s pretty much SOP, Beane took several swings had some success, ( four consecutive AFCE titles, 2nd in total games won since 2020 iirc etc etc) and now is re-tooling the team, it ain’t nuthin but a thing, no worries…, If Von doesn’t tear his ACL, we might have a very different perspective. They took a VERY big swing, and it didn’t work out due to injury. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Because since he’s been our GM we’ve gone 64-34 in the regular season and 5-5 in the playoffs. Not to mention we have a 7-8 year Super Bowl window largely due to the fact that he drafted Josh Allen. And he drafted Allen in a very aggressive way I might add, he swung for the fences and hit a grand slam I might add. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: No it’s not, every team dumps guys in the same fashion ever so often, it’s pretty much SOP, Beane took several swings had some success, ( four consecutive AFCE titles, 2nd in total games won since 2020 iirc etc etc) and now is re-tooling the team, it ain’t nuthin but a thing, no worries…, For all that money spent he got half a season out of Von (okay unlucky) and good production out of Jones. But that is a LOT of dollars down the drain. The right moves that summer we overtook KC. Unfortunately the moves we made were not what was required and wasted our last bit of cap flex in that first window. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 15 minutes ago, Logic said: The Bills have won the 2nd most games in the league since 2020. They've won four straight division titles. The only possible reason to say he "deserves" criticism is because they haven't won a title. But if that's the case, then 31 GMs every single year deserve criticism. Looking at moves in a vacuum for any GM across the league, you're going to see some moves that worked and some that didn't. No GM is immune to mistakes. But looking at the total output and production of a team gives you a sense of what kind of job the team's architect has done. The fact remains that only the Chiefs have won more games than the Bills since 2020, that they've won their division four years in a row, and that they are contenders year in and year out. You want perfection? Go watch a Kurosawa film or listen to a Betthoven sonata. Beane is a very good GM. P.S. Brandon Beane DOES receive criticism, and if you don't see it, then you're not looking in the right places. Go turn on ESPN, Fox Sports 1, or listen to any drive time football radio show, and you'll hear scores of criticism of Beane and his Bills. Heck, the buzziest phrase in football the past two season has been "the Bills window is closed". If you're angry at Brandon Beane and want to criticize him, then just say that. Don't manufacture an immunity to criticism that he does not actually possess. I like Beane and don’t want him fired … BUT … he is in the middle of a bad run at the moment … Extending Diggs and Knox and signing Miller have all proven to be poor decisions …and they are coming together now and will negatively impact this 2024 season ( at the least ) which is smack in the middle of Josh Allen’s’ prime … He got then into this mess, so he deserves a chance to get them out of it given his track record you mention .. I will watch what he does with interest …, there is a lot at stake now to get our unicorn QB some help to win a Championship.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: IMO, the ONLY reason he's not getting the heat he deserves is the drafting of Josh Allen!! Although he built a team that had the Bills in the playoffs the past couple of years, I think some of the decisions prevented those teams from winning the SB. The wasted picks of Cody Ford and Boogie Basham are just 2 examples of those decisions. Not acquiring DHop last season is another. Dawson Knox $, IMO, really hurt that possibility. In my bones, I feel that DHop was that missing piece that prevented the Bills from winning the chip. This year's draft will really tell the story of how open this team's SB window is. I hope he hits it out of the park Incredibly hard for me to see how Beane's personnel decisions are more to blame for the 13 seconds game than McDermott's coaching failures or the players' execution failures. Ditto the Bengals game the following year and the Chiefs playoff game this year. We can all argue 'til we're blue in the face about who deserves what share of blame for which losses, but at the end of the day, two things stick out to me: 1.) The Bills have been very good for four straight seasons. From wins accrued, to division titles, to offensive and defensive rankings, to scoring differential. If there was a waited metric that took all of these into account, it would have only the Chiefs ranked higher. The only thing missing has been a championship which, yes, is obviously the main thing. 2.) Beane DOES get heat! He's getting a ton as we speak! There are TVs always set to ESPN and NFL Network in my workplace lobby, and I haven't been able to walk past a TV the past few days without seeing the Bills get excoriated. All I'm seeing and hearing is "the Bills ask Josh Allen to do too much" and "the Bills' window is closed". I'm just really not sure where people are getting this "Beane doesn't catch any heat" stuff. He absolutely does. The Bills are one of the most criticized times in football the past two years. The "they ask Allen to do too much" narrative, in particular, has been loud and constant, and that's a direct criticism of Brandon Beane's roster construction. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipnmi Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 20 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully I have no idea what you do for a living, but I suspect you are not perfect at every aspect of it. People in positions that require difficult high level decisions who get >50% of them correct are typically doing pretty darn good. I also doubt that there is a GM in the league that comes remotely close to meeting your perceived expectations of the position. Of course Beane would like to have a mulligan on a couple of his decisions, but I feel the job he done thus far has earned my trust many times over and I fully expect the Bills to be in it to the end again this year. But then again, I find life is more enjoyable when you think positively vs. negatively. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Because since he’s been our GM we’ve gone 64-34 in the regular season and 5-5 in the playoffs. Not to mention we have a 7-8 year Super Bowl window largely due to the fact that he drafted Josh Allen. And he drafted Allen in a very aggressive way I might add, he swung for the fences and hit a grand slam I might add. He may very well have already been a Super Bowl winning GM if 13 seconds doesn't happen. We will never know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Some of us did not like the 2022 offseason at the time and it has proven to be pretty much an unmitigated disaster: Free Agent signings: Jordan Phillips - $5m Tim Settle - $9m Daquan Jones - $14m Von Miller - $120m Roger Saffold - $6.25m Ryan Bates - $17m OJ Howard - $3.5m Jameson Crowder - $2m Extension: Stefon Diggs - $96m First round pick: Kaiir Elam I know he had some decent success with some of his later picks - Cook, Bernard, Benford - but it is by any standards a bit of a disaster of an offseason. That is brutal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 He’s an average GM who closed his eyes in the 2018 draft and picked one Josh over the other. He’s missed on a bunch of picks but that’s the nature of the business. Should we give him a chance to do a mini rebuild which he claims the Bills are not in and see what the team looks like this summer I will but the man is on borrowed time and he knows it. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) IF, and it is a big if right now, the Bills win the division in 2024 they will have won the division title five straight seasons which has never been done before in franchise history and the team will have made the playoffs for 7 out of eight seasons which has never been accomplished by one singular Bills GM (noting he didn’t do the 17 draft, but he was the gm for the season and subsequent draft moves). Edit: also tying a team record of six straight playoff appearances. Edited April 5 by dollars 2 donuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 27 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: He hasn't earned criticism? he doesn't get criticism? Look at Diggs thread 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully I mean, you’re not wrong, but a lot of this is just plain bad luck. I personally think Beane is one of the best yet one of the most unlucky GMs in the league. Von Miller - was on fire and everyone was pumped before his injury. Knox - just a bad contract. His wrist injury didn’t help. Bass - Was amazing and completely crapped the bed after his extension Diggs - was a top 3WR until week 7 last year when he fell off a cliff. I still think his 4 year production was worthy of a 1st round pick. Nobody knew Jefferson was: 1) going to be available at our pick and 2) was going to be as talented as he is. White: Top 10 CB and suffers two freak non contact injuries in 2 of his last 3 seasons. His draft picks have been pretty darn good. We still don’t know what we have in Elam, but I can’t think of any major misses. Lots of late round hits. We just dumped most of our aging vets and look to be getting significantly younger. we should have a much better cap situation moving forward as well. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 34 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully Because nobody on this board complains 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 McD and Beane are on the same level to me, tier 2. They are very good/would get hired instantly by another team. They just haven't proven to be able to: 1. Coach: Make necessary adjustments/get us over the hump in playoffs 2. Beane: outside of the Allen pick and Diggs trade, he hasn't drafted any "superstars". Looking at other top-tier teams, who have multiple superstars, he has put together very good teams/depth. Coach needs to improve, but so does Beane. He needs to find a superstar in one of these drafts, ideally this year's. I've also had an issue with Beane DL acquisitions, agree with his philosophy, but he has striked out alot (draft and FA). Ignored WRs early in draft, and didn't prioritize OL until LY. Beane and Coach aren't the problem, but we need to get better talent and execute when It matters. They need to be better I'd we want a SB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 There’s a strange, hateful contingent of the fanbase that is always looking for a way to go after Beane. It’s almost like they resent him for his success and try to pick at anything they can. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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