Why does Beane get a pass?

[MWK]

I don’t understand how anyone can defend Beane’s record on defensive line signings aside from Jones, Leonard Floyd, and Oliver’s extension.

 

Star

Tim Settle

Quinton Jefferson

Phillips

Vernon Butler

Poona

Murphy

Addison

Miller

 

The record speaks for itself

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

 

In the decade before the Bills gave Brandon Beane (2008-2017) full control of the Bills, the organization under various GMs and the money-ball rule of Russ Brandon  ...

• drafted  Leodis McKelvin (#11 in 2008), Aaron Maybin (#11 in 2009), and CJ Spiller (#9 in 2010).
• drafted James Hardy (2008), Torrell Troup (2010), Cyrus Kouanddijo (2014), Reggie Ragland (2016), and Zay Jones (2017) all in the second round.
• traded Pro Bowl RB Marshawn Lynch (1 round pick in 2007) to Seattle in 2010.  Lynch made the Pro Bowl 4 times, All Pro once, and was a key player on the Seahawks' Super Bowl team.
• traded away Pro Bowl LT Jason Peters before the 2009 season to Philadelphia.  Peters made the Pro Bowl 7 more times and All Pro twice.  He will be a first ballot HOFer when he becomes eligible.
• drafted EJ Manuel in the first round of the 2013 draft.
• did not even attempt to re-sign Pro Bowl Stephon Gilmore in 2017.  Playing for the Patriots, Gilmore made the Pro Bowl four more times, All Pro twice, and Defensive Player of the Year.  He also was a key member of the 2018 Patriots Super Bowl winning team.

More importantly, between 2008 and 2017, the Bills had a record of 69-91, two winning seasons, and one playoff appearance. 

Between 2018 and 2023 under Brandon Beane, the Bills have a record of 64-34, five winning seasons, five playoff appearances,  four straight AFCE appearances.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 6 by SoTier

[blacklabel]

When I see posts like this, I have to ask, what exactly are your expectations? That he has a 100% success rate on every draft pick, contract, trade, and free agent signing?

 

It just seems trivial to complain about this stuff when the team has made six playoff runs with four division titles. He also kept those teams mostly intact for four years, teams typically have more turnover than that from year to year. Now here we are with an inevitable retooling of the roster and this is where you're at with it. 

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

We have the 2nd-most wins in the league that past five years. If you think that's all Josh Allen, that's your prerogative. I think Allen is a huge reason but there are other teams with franchise QBs who haven't won that many games.

That, combined with the early playoff exits (though the best team in the league, KC, s a big reason why), counts as very good but not great to me. If you want to think we're mediocre, go ahead.

I think it's mostly Josh Allen/McD. Then again, I think Josh Allen is clear and away the second best QB in the league, and McD a top 10 coach in the regular season, at least. That's a recipe for a lot of wins, regardless of the teams' overall talent level.  We just have to look at the other great coach/great QB combos. Reid/Mahomes. BB/Brady. Their teams always fluctuate in talent, that's the NFL.  They usually still win a lot.

 

Where do you rank the 2024 Bills in regards to talent level in the NFL?  Where do you rank the 2020 Bills?

 

I think the 2024 Bills currently (pre-draft) have probably their worst roster since 2018.  Do you disagree?  I think the 2020 had the best roster of the Beane/McD era.  Do you disagree? How many years do you think it will take to get the Bills to a 2020 team level of talent again? 1? 2? 3?

 

At what point do you watch the GM take total zeros like Elam, Boogie Basham and Cody Ford, overdraft JAGS like Epenesa and Rousseau, take the 4th best DL player in the first round at pick #9, refuse to draft a WR before the 4th round for 4 seasons, all while watching the overall talent of the team circle the drain before you blame him for it?

Edited April 6 by FireChans

[Saint Doug]

4 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

Two words: Josh Allen

 

He’d otherwise be middle of the road. 

[Mister Defense]

5 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

 

In your OP I reacted with the vomiting emoji, though agreeing with the bold now above.

 

And also, of course!, agreeing that the Teller trade was awful. Was shocked and bewildered that he was traded to Cleveland, thought he showed all kinds of promise in the preseason.

 

In fact, in each of those cases I was immediately concerned, and then more so upon hearing the details of the Miller, Knox, and Diggs signings--very bad contracts for the Bills, to me.  Knox and Diggs should have been much less--and Diggs, shorter, while the Miller signing was a violation of the process, the way that Beane and McDermott  have built this team into a perennial contender.

 

And yup, try as they may, they have not been as successful on the D-line development as they should be, could be, hence the bad shot with Miller.

 

So Beane has made some bad moves, some hurting the team.

 

But it is awful thinking, illogical, ignorant, to then say THESE are the defining things, the most important aspects of his tenure as the Bills GM, one that has moved the Bills from a non-winning team, without a playoff game to its credit for decades, to a powerhouse team, 4 time AFC East champion, and a perennial Super Bowl contender.  By almost anyone's evaluation, the Bills became one of the top teams and organizations in the NFL almost from the moment he walked into One Bills Drive.

 

So your post is just more  of the same that we have seen on this board from a small and very ignorant minority, 1st grade thinking, rather than that of a sentient adult who can look at things more realistically, logically--objectively.

 

The Bills have had one of the best rosters in the NFL almost every year that Beane has been the Bills' GM.  This will be his toughest year, but all but the most ignorant would not have some hope that this smart, objective, dedicated GM can do the same thing again.

 

 

 

Edited April 6 by Mister Defense

[Neo]

Because he’s put the best product on the field in thirty years.

[ALLEN1QB]

5 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Allen, DIggs, Edmunds, Poyer, Tre White, Hyde, ... Thats why

Diggs, Edmunds & White none of them a current Bill and most of us are glad!!

[NORWOODS FOOT]

I like the guy. He’s really really REALLY good. Just not great. To me it’s as simple as that.

 

So the question is, can I appreciate the fact that we keep getting to the playoffs without being bitter about not yet reaching a Super Bowl… 

Edited April 6 by NORWOODS FOOT

[BillsFan130]

My one criticism of Beane is he doesn't have elite players on this team outside of Josh. (And maybe Milano)

 

He is a very good GM who's built a very good team.

 

But he does need more elite talent if the bills are going to get over the hump IMO

[QLBillsFan]

2 hours ago, MWK said:

I don’t understand how anyone can defend Beane’s record on defensive line signings aside from Jones, Leonard Floyd, and Oliver’s extension.

 

Star

Tim Settle

Quinton Jefferson

Phillips

Vernon Butler

Poona

Murphy

Addison

Miller

 

The record speaks for itself

Yes multiple AFC championships and close but no cigar in playoffs. Keep perspective and he wasn’t responsible for 13 seconds. You can scrutinize other GM’s in the top 10 and they all don’t hit 💯. He’s made some mistakes for sure, but on balance I’ll take it. Miller got injured so 🤷🏻‍♂️.. the rest of those deals are vet guys some of whom contributed, some who were disappointing. 

13 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

My one criticism of Beane is he doesn't have elite players on this team outside of Josh. (And maybe Milano)

 

He is a very good GM who's built a very good team.

 

But he does need more elite talent if the bills are going to get over the hump IMO

That’s a fair assessment. The Miller deal was to jump start it and he got hurt. Elam so far a big miss, yet getting Douglas brilliant. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I think it's mostly Josh Allen/McD. Then again, I think Josh Allen is clear and away the second best QB in the league, and McD a top 10 coach in the regular season, at least. That's a recipe for a lot of wins, regardless of the teams' overall talent level.  We just have to look at the other great coach/great QB combos. Reid/Mahomes. BB/Brady. Their teams always fluctuate in talent, that's the NFL.  They usually still win a lot.

 

Where do you rank the 2024 Bills in regards to talent level in the NFL?  Where do you rank the 2020 Bills?

 

I think the 2024 Bills currently (pre-draft) have probably their worst roster since 2018.  Do you disagree?  I think the 2020 had the best roster of the Beane/McD era.  Do you disagree? How many years do you think it will take to get the Bills to a 2020 team level of talent again? 1? 2? 3?

 

At what point do you watch the GM take total zeros like Elam, Boogie Basham and Cody Ford, overdraft JAGS like Epenesa and Rousseau, take the 4th best DL player in the first round at pick #9, refuse to draft a WR before the 4th round for 4 seasons, all while watching the overall talent of the team circle the drain before you blame him for it?

Lots of disagrees with this post, but I guess folks are afraid to answer my questions. 

[Da webster guy]

No GM is perfect.  We’re winning a lot more than we were before he got here.  Beane doesn’t get a pass but he does get respect for building a perennial playoff team, going for our 5th straight division win next year.  
 

On the flip side, Von was a crazy flyer but I see why he did it.  Elam was picking for need which Beaner always said was a bad idea, and last year he and his scouts wanted a WR in the 5th and they chose Shorter over Nacua who is a top 5 elite WR that would have put us over the top.  Scratchin my head over that one.  

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

He hasn't earned criticism?

He gets plenty of criticism on this board.  He also gets plenty of applause.  Do you think the national media should be shredding him?  Should Pegula call a pc to inform everyone that Beane isn’t getting a pass?

 

What shall we do ensure he doesn’t get a pass?
 

Not sure what the point of this thread is.  

[Turbo44]

2 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

Two words: Josh Allen

 

He’d otherwise be middle of the road. 

Two words: Josh Allen

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He gets plenty of criticism on this board.  He also gets plenty of applause.  Do you think the national media should be shredding him?  Should Pegula call a pc to inform everyone that Beane isn’t getting a pass?

 

What shall we do ensure he doesn’t get a pass?
 

Not sure what the point of this thread is.  

Idiotic topic;  Beane has made us a SB contender each year.......next post

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He gets plenty of criticism on this board.  He also gets plenty of applause.  Do you think the national media should be shredding him?  Should Pegula call a pc to inform everyone that Beane isn’t getting a pass?

 

What shall we do ensure he doesn’t get a pass?
 

Not sure what the point of this thread is.  

Struggling to find it now, but I swear I read something the other day that Terry hasn’t actually spoken to the media/taken questions since something crazy like 2019 for the Sabres and 2020 for the Bills. dates might be a little off, but I think that’s close. 
 

I would absolutely kill for Terry Pegula to address the new stadium, PSL’s, anything regarding the Sabres, why the fork he backed out of his Rochester Americans lease 11 years early, or why he has refused to keep up with general maintenance with the KBC. 
 

 

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No I think we will win the AFCE and make the playoffs too. But when we ask why haven't we made that final step and won a Championship that set of moves in 2022 looms large IMO.

True enough, but to a great degree our defense has been the reason for this plateau as it were, imo the soft zone / contain defense that worked acceptably for the most part in the regular has been the teams bane come the postseason, and that is on our HC for running back the same post season defensive scheme annually,  for lack of a better description. I like McDermott for the most part, but he has a stubborn streak a mile long…, and imo that’s where the trouble lies. 
 

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

We have in most peoples eyes a HOF QB and enough players acquired by Beane that we have 4 pages of justifying his actions. A coach, who many of the same people in this thread defend until the bitter end.

 

So why is it again that our ceiling is a Wild Card win and Division championship in a trash division?

 

Did we not just miss pretty badly in our first attempt to go all in with the cap? 

Did we not miss in passing on a guy like Hopkins for peanuts in comparison?

Not drafting more weapons for Josh?

Not prioritizing the offensive line for several years?

 

He's a solid GM. The OP didn't say we should get rid of him. He said should he get a pass? The answer is no. He has hand in this and deserves being critiqued like any other member who has a hand in this.    

The OP is confused, in that he appears to believe that the organization is unaware of the personnel decisions that didn’t work out and the ramifications there in, when the reverse is the case, the op is looking for something that is never gonna happen, and he should know this. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

36 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He gets plenty of criticism on this board.  He also gets plenty of applause.  Do you think the national media should be shredding him?  Should Pegula call a pc to inform everyone that Beane isn’t getting a pass?

 

What shall we do ensure he doesn’t get a pass?
 

Not sure what the point of this thread is.  

OP wants this:

Beane —

[HaldimandBills]

Beane doesn't get a pass but he's a good GM. I have 3 complaints about him. I used to have 4 with the oline but with the emergence of Brown and Torrence and McGovern being a steal of a signing I can't say the oline anymore. 

 

1. The Von Miller contract. Never ever spend that much money on any free agent whose over 30. I'd go a step further and say over 27. 

2. Diggs has basically been Josh Allen only weapon the entire time. Beane has completely failed in surrounding Allen with elite offensive talent. He's taken short cuts on offense hoping it would work out. Dear lord Isiah Mckenzie was our # 3 receiver two seasons ago. That is disgusting and inexcusable. Blowing two 3rds and a 2nd on RB. multiple receivers are on the field at any one time. Why aren't we using premium picks there for offensive positions?

3. Hes over paid and remaind loyal to defensive players who aren't playing premium positions (Poyer/Hyde) And a rotating list of back up dends and dtackles and its come at the expense of not being able to surround our offense with elite talent. McDermott is a defensive coach. Let him turn late round picks and bargain FA signings into decent players.