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48 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

Regardless how much it's attempted. It's a cool element to the game for coaches to have in their tool box. A 45% success rate is pretty good.


Doesn’t move the needle for me, but to each his own.

 

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Maybe I’m boring here but I wish the kickoff just got left alone. I don’t want it out of the game. I wish they’d go back to what it was even. If the alternative is no kick at all then fine..this will have to do. But I still want to see kick off returns starting a game. That’s football to me. Even if it’s a touchback 

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48 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Look for injuries galore with this new rule. It makes you wonder the mentality of a kick returner in this new iteration of the NFL. No more fair catches, the old onside kick rules. Safety has been put on the back burner.

Can you imagine being the kicker, the last line of defense, attempting a tackle on a returner that is now coming down the field full speed? 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

Can you imagine being the kicker, the last line of defense, attempting a tackle on a returner that is now coming down the field full speed? 

 

 

Just kick it out of the end zone and forget about it.

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2 hours ago, vincec said:

Just kick it out of the end zone and forget about it.

If you want to lose your job... You think special teams coaches will be asking you to concede the 30 yard line every kickoff?

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7 minutes ago, MJS said:

If you want to lose your job... You think special teams coaches will be asking you to concede the 30 yard line every kickoff?

The percentage of points scored at a drive start at the 30 compared to the 20 is literally like 10% or more..

 

Throughout the course of a season that's a big swing

 

I certainly know why the bills like to put it high and try to pin them inside the 20

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1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

You could argue the bills cut bait a little too early?

did they look ahead and consider?

March 5 wasn’t long ago!!

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_miwpIxjb3g

 

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According to many, the new return setup supports a RB returner much more than an explosive WR who’s used to operating in space. It’s more of a stretch run play where they have to read and choose the correct hole than make a guy miss. A fully healthy Hines would flourish with something like that, but he probably has one more season before he’s all the way back. 

4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Maybe I’m boring here but I wish the kickoff just got left alone. I don’t want it out of the game. I wish they’d go back to what it was even. If the alternative is no kick at all then fine..this will have to do. But I still want to see kick off returns starting a game. That’s football to me. Even if it’s a touchback 

The 76% touchback percentage or whatever it was had to go. It was essentially a dead play, not exciting at all. Moving the ball back to the 30 and returning the ball with 5 man blocking wedges was never coming back, so I’m happy they found some other way to keep it in the game. We’ll see at the end of the season if it’s a relevant play and has any bearings on the games. 

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1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

So WRT the 13 second KC kickoff return, will squib kicks no longer be attempted since the ball first must touch the ground in the "landing zone"  Also a good chance may kick the ball into one of the teams own players who'd have their back to the kicker??

Squib as we know it is dead

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12 hours ago, Brand J said:

According to many, the new return setup supports a RB returner much more than an explosive WR who’s used to operating in space. It’s more of a stretch run play where they have to read and choose the correct hole than make a guy miss. A fully healthy Hines would flourish with something like that, but he probably has one more season before he’s all the way back. 

 

Seems like Samuel would be a good candiate with both RB and WR experience 

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Not sure if anyone's pasted this link yet (paywalled, but, you know ...)

 

https://theathletic.com/5366260/2024/03/26/nfl-hybrid-kickoff-rules/?campaign=5888993&source=dailyemail&userId=12924261

 

Best explanation I've seen. But I still don't have it down.

6 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Seems like Samuel would be a good candiate with both RB and WR experience 

Agreed. The standard kick returner - pure speed guy - won't be the best fit under the new rule. As the article notes, field vision, quickness, improvisation will be key.

And as for kickers: the classic "big leg" guy who gets the highest touchback percentage will lose some value, although long field goals are still important. Some team will find a soccer player, Aussie rules football guy, someone else to be the "kickoff specialist" (maybe the kickoff/punter dual role will come back) who is adept at placing the ball in the optimal spot.

 

I'm all for making the game more interesting. Goodbye to the post-TD bathroom/fridge run ...

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Stupid.

Just f***ing stupid.

 

In order to save the KO, they made onside kicks essentially obsolete.

 

Can't wait until the NFL decides they need to fix punting the same way.

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1 hour ago, Cynical said:

Stupid.

Just f***ing stupid.

 

In order to save the KO, they made onside kicks essentially obsolete.

 

Can't wait until the NFL decides they need to fix punting the same way.

They were already obsolete (somewhere around a 5% recovery rate) unless they were a surprise onside kick (45%), which rarely happened. I think the current onside kick needs to be revamped as well.

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How will onside kicks work?

 

Under the new rule, onside kicks will only be allowed in the fourth quarter, and only if a team is trailing. Also, the team that wants to attempt the onside kick will have to "declare" that it's trying it. This will eliminate the surprise onside kick.

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I already hate it, add in the new tacking rule and why even pay big money for any defensive players anymore. You spend big money on a pass rusher and he gets held with no flags. The CB even breathes on a WR and pass interference. Skill position players on offense will be the new CEO’s Defensive players will be middle class with Special teams being the poor. 

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Honestly ruins kickoffs in my opinion. The entire optics of the “opening kickoff” is just gone.

 

The number of rule changes that have taken place in the last 10 years is dizzying. Watch a full game from 2000 (not that long ago!) and it feels like a different league.

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On 3/27/2024 at 11:34 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

Not sure if anyone's pasted this link yet (paywalled, but, you know ...)

 

https://theathletic.com/5366260/2024/03/26/nfl-hybrid-kickoff-rules/?campaign=5888993&source=dailyemail&userId=12924261

 

Best explanation I've seen. But I still don't have it down.

Agreed. The standard kick returner - pure speed guy - won't be the best fit under the new rule. As the article notes, field vision, quickness, improvisation will be key.

And as for kickers: the classic "big leg" guy who gets the highest touchback percentage will lose some value, although long field goals are still important. Some team will find a soccer player, Aussie rules football guy, someone else to be the "kickoff specialist" (maybe the kickoff/punter dual role will come back) who is adept at placing the ball in the optimal spot.

 

I'm all for making the game more interesting. Goodbye to the post-TD bathroom/fridge run ...

I think this will make the post TD bathroom/fridge run more commonplace.

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On 3/27/2024 at 4:10 PM, Einstein said:

Honestly ruins kickoffs in my opinion. The entire optics of the “opening kickoff” is just gone.

 

The number of rule changes that have taken place in the last 10 years is dizzying. Watch a full game from 2000 (not that long ago!) and it feels like a different league.

And yet the NFL gets more and more popular.

1 minute ago, frostbitmic said:

I think this will make the post TD bathroom/fridge run more commonplace.

You're really not gonna want to watch the kickoff returns now?

On 3/27/2024 at 1:06 PM, Virgil said:

This will eliminate the surprise onside kick

It is already dead.

I recall one last year: Sean Payton started his Broncos coaching career with a stupid onside kick that put his team in a hole, thinking he could repeat the true surprise Saints' Super Bowl onside kick.

This is probably the next thing to be addressed: how to make the onside kick relevant again, giving the kicking team at least a reasonable chance of getting possession, or maybe instituting a whole different rule as a substitute.

On 3/27/2024 at 11:13 AM, Brand J said:

They were already obsolete (somewhere around a 5% recovery rate) unless they were a surprise onside kick (45%), which rarely happened. I think the current onside kick needs to be revamped as well.

You beat me to it.

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On 3/26/2024 at 2:01 PM, Doc Brown said:

Just kick it through the end zone to get it at the 30.  Either way scoring will go up which is what the NFL wants.

 

That's one aspect of the XFL kickoff the NFL did not adopt. Touchbacks are a penalty (illegal kick) putting the ball on the 40.

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