Dablitzkrieg Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Looks to be a lot safer and much more exciting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 9 minutes ago, T master said: I think this will be good for safety reasons but didn't in the way the NFL did it last season they kick off from the 25 yard line ? And most all of the kicks went out of the back of the end zone so if they are now kicking from the 35 the kickers will need to take a lot off their kick in order for it to stay in play right ? No, it was never from the 25. It was booted from the 30 in the old days, but moved up five yards to the 35 starting in 2011. If they kick it through the end zone now, the return team gets the ball at the 30, not the 25 like last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 39 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: So can you still kick it into the EZ? If so, same boring play…doesn’t matter where everyone else lines up. NFL puts touchbacks on the 30. XFL put it on the 40 as an illegal kick penalty. 25 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: Pretty bad when the NFL is stealing ideas from the XFL... Almost every NFL rule change came from either college or a rival league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 11 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: NFL puts touchbacks on the 30. XFL put it on the 40 as an illegal kick penalty. Almost every NFL rule change came from either college or a rival league. Kicks that are kicked into the end zone are put at the 35. Ones that roll into the EZ are placed at the 20. Also, no more fiat catches on kickoffs. All the incentives are for teams to kick it to the returner and for him to return the kick. https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/03/26/new-nfl-kickoff-rules-2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sweats said: .....lame Lamer than having 95% of kickoffs being a touchback out of the end zone? I think we should at least be open minded to the idea that this might increase the amount of times we get to see an actual play on kickoffs. Edited March 26 by Rigotz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Kicks that are kicked into the end zone are put at the 35. Ones that roll into the EZ are placed at the 20. Also, no more fiat catches on kickoffs. All the incentives are for teams to kick it to the returner and for him to return the kick. https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/03/26/new-nfl-kickoff-rules-2024 …and that is 100% better than the most boring kickoff touchback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Seems like a cool change to keep kickoffs relevant and make them safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Kicks that are kicked into the end zone are put at the 35. Ones that roll into the EZ are placed at the 20. Also, no more fiat catches on kickoffs. All the incentives are for teams to kick it to the returner and for him to return the kick. https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/03/26/new-nfl-kickoff-rules-2024 Owners amended the proposal, so touchbacks are at the 30, not the 35. Quote The NFL competition committee met today and unanimously approved a tweak to the proposed NFL Hybrid Kickoff rule, making touchbacks that go into the end zone on the fly come out to the 30-yard line, rather than the 35, per source. The change provides kicking teams a less punitive option if they don’t want to take a chance on a long return. The adjusted rule proposal will be presented to owners for a possible vote Monday morning. Updated: voted through by the owners. Edited March 26 by Brand J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 So, no more squib kicks? That could impact kickoffs near the end of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: It will be the same as it is now but needs to be declared that they are trying an onside kick prior to lining up. oh dang. There goes surprise onside kicks, then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Wiz Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: How would an onside kick attempt work? 2 hours ago, BigDingus said: So surprise onside kicks are out? 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Damn. I didn't think about that. 1 hour ago, RangerDave said: So, no more squib kicks? That could impact kickoffs near the end of games. 59 minutes ago, RiotAct said: oh dang. There goes surprise onside kicks, then So regarding the surprise onside kick/squib kick. I honestly think that this could open up some interesting special teams designed plays. As stated, players can't move until the ball hits the ground or player receiving it (other than the kicker/returner(s)). The receiving team also has the option of having either 1 or 2 players back to receive the ball. Now mind you I've never actually kicked a ball off before but I would think that these guys know how to kick a specific distance and direction. Imagine hitting a low/mid height kick that would land between the 15-20 yardline quickly but not like a blast of a kick off that would basically be an attempt and getting the ball to land as fast as possible and become a bouncer for the receiving team to try to scoop up while having guys being the same distance away from the ball as you are. It would be something interesting to see attempted at least. And on the opposite side, having two guys receiving the ball that a free to move around prior to the rest of the kicking team could lead to some misdirection and trick plays. Regarding squib kicks, I'd be interested in the rules for this new rule exactly what it says. What is to prevent the kicking team from lining up and calling an onside kick and then squibbing it down the field? In any event, this change makes kick offs relevant again vs it just being a wasted play other than in the last 2 minutes of a game. Edited March 26 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Do the 4th & 20 NFL. Do the 4th and 20. Remove the outdated and stupid onside kick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 My only beef would be this would have been better to know before FA started. But on the flip side, all 32 teams are in the same position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, The Wiz said: It will be the same as it is now but needs to be declared that they are trying an onside kick prior to lining up. That just raises even more questions for me. Like not being able to fake an onside, or surprise squib, etc. But I see you have another post that addresses some of that. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I know some will hate it because "change bad" but I'm interested to see how this plays out. I like the idea of keeping returns relevant. Of course this would hit at a time where Buffalo doesn't have a clear "return specialist" rostered ..but let's see what the draft brings. Bills have plenty of late round picks, I could easily see them drafting a RB with good return ability in round 6 where they have 3 selections. It would be a place where they could roster a player (they usually carry 3 RB's but only have 2 on the roster in Cook and Ty Johnson) and a spot in the draft where you could find a back with a bit of upside and return ability. As far as the new kickoff rule I am OK with it. The kickoff in the traditional form was a very dangerous play and the last few seasons it mostly ended in touchbacks making it kind of a boring play. My only issue is that you have to declare an onsides kick which removes the element of surprise kicks and some strategy. I wish they would go with a rule where in the 4th quarter you can elect to one time instead of a kickoff go with a 4th and 20 to try to keep the ball. Seems like that would be more exciting than a declared onsides kick and make comebacks more possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I’m willing to give it a shot. I hated the kick offs the last few years. Hopefully it will make it more exciting. I’m not crazy’s about no onside kicks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Anyone know the average starting field position in the XFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Oddly enough, the UFL abandoned the XFL-style kickoff rule and went back to the usual format. This changes the kickoff strategy 100%. Now it's about making holes to run through. There's no second level so once you break through it's a foot race. The old way. The XFL made you convert a 4th and 15 at your own 25 to retain possession. The NFL did not adopt that rule. Just doing this in preseason is impractical. Preseason is when you work on plays for the upcoming season. Why put in all that work for a rule that goes away? It really does. Makes a guy that can operate in space almost like a stretch handoff more valuable. One problem I can see is if we see a lot of guys break that first wave the only person back to make a tackle is the kicker. Could we see an influx of kicker injuries this year from it? That would really shape the outcome of some games. Wonder if more teams will look to PS a kicker early in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, Sweats said: .....lame Seems an appropriate place for this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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