Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Is he hurt yet? Missed 1 game last 2 years .. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, GASabresIUFan said: I didn’t want any WR FAs. The stats show that they usually underperform their contracts and we already have Kincaid, Diggs and Shakir. We have the underneath stuff covered. Samuel is a 650 yards receiver who doesn’t win catch battles. A Rookie receiver drafted 20-40 over the last 5 years has averaged about 700 yards as a rookie. We need someone who can stretch the field, not another mediocre underneath presence. Now play this out. What will the people on this board say if we draft someone like Mitchell or Worthy at 28 and they drive Samuel to the bench? What will they say when Samuel drops some key 3rd down catches, which he does with regularity? They’ll say why did Beane waste money of this guy. I was really happy with how this offseason was going, but these two terrible WR signings make me really wonder what Beane is doing for the offense. WTH? Samuel is a legit outside 4.3 40 guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: But but BUT I read on here that Terry Pegula was being cheap this offseason 🙄 Ah, the ol’ Ralph Special 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Would have preferred Scary Terry... But this will do... He was higher ceiling than Terry in college but I see your point. He’s a hybrid RB/WR not unlike James Cook when lined up as a RB tbh. I don’t know how Brady intends to use him but he’s versatile and can see him lining up different places Edited March 14 by YoloinOhio 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Missed 1 game last 2 years .. Lots off boo boo foot warnings last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, 4merper4mer said: Lots off boo boo foot warnings last year. Warnings ? What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Turbo44 said: McConkey That's a good one but McConkey play the outside more naturally - and would be an excellent late RD1 pick up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Aussie Joe said: It’s a large margin until you have confidence Miller can get by one more year …which you won’t know by the draft Honestly, I’m just assuming he can’t. Be that as it may, there are currently two DTs on the active roster (Oliver. Jones) three DEs (AJ, KJ, and Groot), and Von. After that, it’s a collection of JAGs on futures and PS. Of course it’s early. The sky ain’t falling or anything. But that’s as thin as I ever remember it being. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Agree. Still need an X. If anything Samuel seems redundant with Diggs. Not that they can’t be in the field together, but they’re a lot alike. Shakir more X then slot or the rookie we draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 He’s not an x. that said- he’s a weapon with speed and RAC. We are loaded over the middle. Still need a legit outside guy. if the deal is essentially 2-15M+ incentives, I’m good with that. He’s a playmaker with jets on his feet. possibilities with our 1st rd pick thomas, Mitchell, Legette chop robinson, Latu Cooper Dejean if he’s still there RT- do we want to pay Spencer Brown? I’m happy with our offseason to date. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Warnings ? What do you mean? Like a tornado warning but you don’t have to go to the basement. Sorry. Big Ohio energy with that joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Catching a football is catching a football. Christ this board sometimes... I'm not a Gabe fan but he's got a point. Gabe had a lot of 50/50 contested deep balls where Samuel got more screens/short passes so of course Samuel's catch percentage will be better. Now in saying that, I still prefer Samuel as I like his skill set more than gabes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Big Blitz said: Shakir more X then slot or the rookie we draft? Either Shakir or Samuel is playing more outside this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Catching a football is catching a football. Christ this board sometimes... Samuel had a TON of targets coming out of the back field. You think it's easier to catch a target coming out of the backfield, running screens, slants, etc or almost exclusive running skinny posts, fly routes, corners, and other deep routes? 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Shakir more X then slot or the rookie we draft? He can play both. This is the modern NFL you don't need a super physical guy out there, bunch of ways to win off the snap even when lined up on the LOS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just watched his highlights looks really solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, appoo said: Very misleading as they've had two very different roles Yes one is better then the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Obviously dudes like McDuffie and Sneed - both excellent physical man corners, are gonna win their fair share of matchups against the Bills mighty mights, but the fact of the matter is that they're fast enough that safeties are still gonna check that matchup and cheat just a bit, and then you have an elite route runner like Diggs now coming off the LOS. Edited March 15 by appoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Lots off boo boo foot warnings last year. He had a lot of nagging injuries last year but played through them and still caught 17 more balls than Gabe. I take it you don't like the signing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: Yes one is better then the other Davis has been criminally underrated around here. He was literally the only deep threat the Bills had. What were people expecting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Are we just going to sit here and not even acknowledge that he has two first names?! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: I didn’t want any WR FAs. The stats show that they usually underperform their contracts and we already have Kincaid, Diggs and Shakir. We have the underneath stuff covered. Samuel is a 650 yards receiver who doesn’t win catch battles. A Rookie receiver drafted 20-40 over the last 5 years has averaged about 700 yards as a rookie. We need someone who can stretch the field, not another mediocre underneath presence. Now play this out. What will the people on this board say if we draft someone like Mitchell or Worthy at 28 and they drive Samuel to the bench? What will they say when Samuel drops some key 3rd down catches, which he does with regularity? They’ll say why did Beane waste money of this guy. I was really happy with how this offseason was going, but these two terrible WR signings make me really wonder what Beane is doing for the offense. Ok well I disagree. You were comfortable with a #1 WR at 28 having more impact than Samuel? I would disagree. Come back and gloat since you have this all planned out. If not can you admit you’re wrong? Cant imagine how you see multiple good receivers as not helping the Bills. Saying they are terrible signings is bit much 🤷🏻♂️… The 2 WR from last year didn’t nearly have the upside Samuel does. Should be a fun offseason for you. Enjoy !! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5 Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48 Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis. Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, GASabresIUFan said: Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5 Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48 Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis. Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy. He also costs half as much. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, MPL said: Are we just going to sit here and not even acknowledge that he has two first names?! Three if you consider that he is now a Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Look at his last year (Junior Year) at the The Ohio State University 1636 yards from scrimmage on 171 touches - 9.56 yards per touch...holy moly...15 touchdowns... Edited March 15 by JoeF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, GASabresIUFan said: Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5 Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48 Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis. Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy. Project what he can be with Josh Allen and Joe Brady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, GASabresIUFan said: Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5 Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48 Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis. Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy. Don’t forget - Davis $13m a year … Samuel - $8m 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 47 minutes ago, SCBills said: Safety at 28 and I will smash my tv. mine will be laptop but if the first goes safety the laptop stands no chance...its going CRACK over my knee. I can't afford that. Brandon please DON'T do that 🙂 Edited March 15 by muppy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: Oh *****! does he have a bunch of felonies we don't know about? LOL. I’ll bet KC’s the only football team to ever have a player who was charged with a crime. That’s totally unheard of in this sport. Also, I’m not sure where anyone got the idea that Chiefs fans badly wanted Samuel. Haven’t seen/heard anyone say that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Don’t forget - Davis $13m a year … Samuel - $8m And wasn’t Harty $6-7m? Shouldn’t take much for Samuel to surpass that production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said: Ok well I disagree. You were comfortable with a #1 WR at 28 having more impact than Samuel? I would disagree. Come back and gloat since you have this all planned out. If not can you admit you’re wrong? Cant imagine how you see multiple good receivers as not helping the Bills. Saying they are terrible signings is bit much 🤷🏻♂️… The 2 WR from last year didn’t nearly have the upside Samuel does. Should be a fun offseason for you. Enjoy !! I’d love to be wrong, but I doubt I will be. Go compare Samuel’s stats to Shakir’s. Shakir is taller, has similar speed and is significantly more clutch. Shakir averages 50% more yards per catch than Samuel. What does Samuel being that we don’t already have? Nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, strive_for_five_guy said: And wasn’t Harty $6-7m? Shouldn’t take much for Samuel to surpass that production. Think he signed $5m a year … not one of Beane’s best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I'm so glad we were able to sign Deebo Samuel. Now we will finally be able to compete with the chiefs !!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5 Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48 Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis. Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy. Samuel - never wore a bills uniform = Will be an upgrade. that is always the mindset on this board. I think he will be solid. But I also thought crowder and sanders would. We will see but anyone outside of these walls sees Davis as the better player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Looks like a legitimate WR screen threat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: LOL. I’ll bet KC’s the only football team to ever have a player who was charged with a crime. That’s totally unheard of in this sport. Also, I’m not sure where anyone got the idea that Chiefs fans badly wanted Samuel. Haven’t seen/heard anyone say that. Welcome to TBD, tell ChefsKingdom we said hi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, london_bills said: Looks like a legitimate WR screen threat He also ran for 200 yards (2 TDs) with Brady as OC in Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 21 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: McConkey Nah. Dude isn't a down field threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, ColoradoBills said: He also ran for 200 yards (2 TDs) with Brady as OC in Carolina. I actually meant end around or running yeah, like he was doing with diggs last season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, muppy said: mine will be laptop but if the first goes safety the laptop stands no chance...its going CRACK over my knee. I can't afford that. Brandon please DON'T do that 🙂 I'm a bit nervous that they will think this is well enough. Plan for the future and get that WR in the first. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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