UPDATE: SIGNED Bills looking at bringing back Trubisky per Tim Graham

[NastyNateSoldiers]

3 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

@GunnerBillMitch is hot garbage pure trash he should get a job at waste management company! Dislike that if u want.. 

@GunnerBill 😂

Mitch Tru is pure hot garbage. I watched every game he played last yr and a ton of games in previous yrs I always hated him especially when he was coming out of North Carolina. 

 

If u want a QB that throws the ball at the feet of recievers on screen passes he's you're guy. If u want a QB that holds on to the ball way to long he's you're guy . I rather have a late Rd QB out there then him no doubt about it. Pure hot trash! 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Last yr showed that all kinds of bkups can win in this league even young guys like Jake Browning , Tommy Devito , Tyson Bagent or Bailey Zapped won games. The game has changed over the years u can draft a QB in late rds or even undrafted and win a couple games with them it doesn't have to be a 5mil dollar bkup like Trashbisky . 

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

@GunnerBill 😂

Mitch Tru is pure hot garbage. I watched every game he played last yr and a ton of games in previous yrs I always hated him especially when he was coming out of North Carolina. 

 

If u want a QB that throws the ball at the feet of recievers on screen passes he's you're guy. If u want a QB that holds on to the ball way to long he's you're guy . I rather have a late Rd QB out there then him no doubt about it. Pure hot trash! 

To be fair, Matt Canada was the worst coordinator in the league.  The worst designed offense in football and it was comical that they kept him on as long as they did.  Based on his film with the Bears, he's an adequate backup that should come cheap.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

To be fair, Matt Canada was the worst coordinator in the league.  The worst designed offense in football and it was comical that they kept him on as long as they did.  Based on his film with the Bears, he's an adequate backup that should come cheap.

Canada wasn't the coordinator at the end of the season and even if he was it's not his fault Trubisky is completely inaccurate of a passer throwing balls everywhere but to his Wrs and then there's the Rudolph part of the argument what's the reason he played so much better then Trubisky? We can do better otherwise it's lazy work by Beane. 

[CSBill]

It's a safe, cheap backup.

 

I'm betting there is a Josh connection here:

Bean, "Josh, who helped you the most from the second chair in the QB room."

Josh Allen, "That Polish guy from North Carolina, or was he from Cheektowaga?"

Beaner, "Got it."

[NastyNateSoldiers]

13 minutes ago, CSBill said:

It's a safe, cheap backup.

 

I'm betting there is a Josh connection here:

Bean, "Josh, who helped you the most from the second chair in the QB room."

Josh Allen, "That Polish guy from North Carolina, or was he from Cheektowaga?"

Beaner, "Got it."

Might as well sign Webb as the bkup get him out of coaching. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

To be fair, Matt Canada was the worst coordinator in the league.  The worst designed offense in football and it was comical that they kept him on as long as they did.  Based on his film with the Bears, he's an adequate backup that should come cheap.

Matt Canada wasn't there when Trubisky played and btw why did Rudolph outplay the ever living sh!! out of him ? Rudolph saved there season running the same exact offense. Explain please and don't blame Canada because he got fired and was long gone before Trubisky the garage man played! 

2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

@GunnerBillMitch is hot garbage pure trash he should get a job at waste management company! Dislike that if u want.. 

@Rochesterfan I agree Trubisky is 🤮 and 🗑️

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Last yr showed that all kinds of bkups can win in this league even young guys like Jake Browning , Tommy Devito , Tyson Bagent or Bailey Zapped won games. The game has changed over the years u can draft a QB in late rds or even undrafted and win a couple games with them it doesn't have to be a 5mil dollar bkup like Trashbisky . 

 

I still think we should draft a late round guy AND I really hope Trubisky isn't getting $5m. That would be an overpay. His value isn't what it was when he came here before. I think $2.5m-$3m MAX is where I'd consider it value. 

[YoloinOhio]

Can his wife plan parties? That’s the main role of the backup QB here. 

[peterpan]

Seems to me that for a team with cap issues, and late round rookie would be backup!!?

[Billy Claude]

10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Well let's see? The league minimum for a 7 yr vet is 1.65....still would've preferred a cheaper drafted qb.

The last two non Allen QBs the Bills drafted are Jake From and Nathan Peterman, so not a great track record.

[HOUSE]

I love this move. 😀 

[Bill from NYC]

10 hours ago, Success said:

Wasn't he picked ahead of Mahomes?

He's gotta be good...

 

So was Tre White. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s better than Kyle Allen. If Josh misses a month, Mitch could win 2-3 games. Good enough for me 🤷🏻‍♂️

For me, it comes down to having some confidence that if Trubisky were pressed into having to start a few games that Joe Brady can put a plan in place to win a game or two with Mitch at QB.

 

While wins are NOT a QB stat, teams he's played on are 39-33 in games he's started. That doesn't scream "we're automatically doomed" to me. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

For me, it comes down to having some confidence that if Trubisky were pressed into having to start a few games that Joe Brady can put a plan in place to win a game or two with Mitch at QB.

 

While wins are NOT a QB stat, teams he's played on are 39-33 in games he's started. That doesn't scream "we're automatically doomed" to me. 

Well said!! That’s kind of my goal for a number 2 QB. I would have preferred Tyrod but he likely comes with a bigger number. Trubisky is fine to hold down the fort for a month. I didn’t think much of Kyle Allen. This feels like a definite upgrade and raises the floor for the team. 
 

Last year, the Bills entered week 18 with a chance to be the 2 seed or miss the playoffs (at least I think that was still the case going into week 18). The point being, a month where you go 1-3 vs. 2-2 can be the difference in the season ending or having a shot at the Super Bowl. When you have Josh Allen, I think backup QB is important. You can’t blow the season if he misses a few weeks.

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

So was Tre White. 

No he wasn’t. We get it, you don’t believe DBs matter. Don’t just make stuff up though. Mahomes was picked 10th. Tre White was picked 27. The Bills received a 3rd and an additional 1st in that trade. 

[Bill from NYC]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well said!! That’s kind of my goal for a number 2 QB. I would have preferred Tyrod but he likely comes with a bigger number. Trubisky is fine to hold down the fort for a month. I didn’t think much of Kyle Allen. This feels like a definite upgrade and raises the floor for the team. 
 

Last year, the Bills entered week 18 with a chance to be the 2 seed or miss the playoffs (at least I think that was still the case going into week 18). The point being, a month where you go 1-3 vs. 2-2 can be the difference in the season ending or having a shot at the Super Bowl. When you have Josh Allen, I think backup QB is important. You can’t blow the season if he misses a few weeks.

No he wasn’t. We get it, you don’t believe DBs matter. Don’t just make stuff up though. Mahomes was picked 10th. Tre White was picked 27. The Bills received a 3rd and an additional 1st in that trade. 

You are correct. My choice of words was wrong. Hey, I'm sorry.

 

McDermott thought that Tre was more important than Mahomes, despite the fact that the Bills were in desperate need of a quarterback. Does that sound better to you? Also, if you think that we were given adequate compensation for that trade, I suggest letting your wife do the negotiating when you shop for a new car. 

 

Peace.

[boyst]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Why?

 

From watching him painfully try to play in Pittsburgh, my thought was "this guy is toast and I never want to see him on a football field again"

I would really like us to have a backup who can actually finish a game constructively or maybe even win one.

our history of taking a backup QB just makes it obvious that we would go get him.

 

we always go for bargain basement backup qb's who have played a while. just sort of made sense to me and was obvious without true logic.

[Kirby Jackson]

33 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You are correct. My choice of words was wrong. Hey, I'm sorry.

 

McDermott thought that Tre was more important than Mahomes, despite the fact that the Bills were in desperate need of a quarterback. Does that sound better to you? Also, if you think that we were given adequate compensation for that trade, I suggest letting your wife do the negotiating when you shop for a new car. 

 

Peace.

No that doesn’t sound better because it still isn’t true. Being honest would sound better. He didn’t think Tre was more important than Mahomes. He thought, what many at the time thought, that the 2018 draft was THE draft to find a QB. He drafted an all-pro corner, used the extra 3rd to move up to get a WR that didn’t work out, and gained a 1st in 2018 to ensure that he would get a QB. He thought, “an all-pro corner, an extra top 100 pick and a 2018 1st to use to secure my QB is better than a toolsy raw QB prospect out of Texas Tech or a sexual predator out of Clemson.”
 

I know that you’re trying to use revisionist history to alter the memory of some but Watson was widely regarded as the top QB in that draft with Trubisky as his competition for that spot. Mahomes was a late riser with great skills but a style that hadn’t translated to the league at that point. But go ahead and keep making up facts and trying to pass them off as truths. 
 

If you wanted Mahomes, no one will begrudge you. Just don’t be disingenuous and mislead people to fit your narrative. The Bills got their QB the next year, and, with the exception of Mahomes, he is the top QB in the league. The trade worked out fine. Not for nothing, but the draft value charts that NFL teams use, show that the Bills received a premium from the Chiefs to go to that spot. Again, let’s deal in facts. This place is so much better when people are truthful.

Edited March 7 by Kirby Jackson

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

He's not worth even a vet min I rather draft a QB and make him the bkup better not be any guaranteed money to this deal. 

One of the better back up QB in the league

 

Not everyone can be a starter

 

Is certainly worth back up money

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

The phone lines into WGR 550 will be burning up. 🤨

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Last yr showed that all kinds of bkups can win in this league even young guys like Jake Browning , Tommy Devito , Tyson Bagent or Bailey Zapped won games. The game has changed over the years u can draft a QB in late rds or even undrafted and win a couple games with them it doesn't have to be a 5mil dollar bkup like Trashbisky . 

OK…..

[BuffaloBillyG]

Contract details..

[Livinginthepast]

Of all the moves yesterday, this one had me puzzled. Trubisky looked so bad last year with the Steelers. Why not sign a rookie instead of this retread. Is this just a move to make Josh feel comfortable? Like theres no competition whatsoever for the starting job? What's the logic here?

[Mr. WEO]

The Bills backup QB decisions since drafting Allen:

 

Peterman

Webb

Derek Anderson

Matt Barkely (twice!)

Keenum

Trubisky (twice)

Kyle Allen

lol

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

I saw this coming weeks ago but figured the flamers would’ve been all over the prediction had I posted it. Makes perfect sense. 

[Beast]

Why don’t they just bring back Frank Reich. I hear he’s available.

 

seriously though, I hope the Bills draft a kid in the late rounds and try to develop a backup that can possibly be a legit starter if called upon.

[Sweats]

I'm okay with the decision to bring him back.....you at least know you are getting a solid backup for sure and nothing more than that.

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No that doesn’t sound better because it still isn’t true. Being honest would sound better. He didn’t think Tre was more important than Mahomes. He thought, what many at the time thought, that the 2018 draft was THE draft to find a QB. He drafted an all-pro corner, used the extra 3rd to move up to get a WR that didn’t work out, and gained a 1st in 2018 to ensure that he would get a QB. He thought, “an all-pro corner, an extra top 100 pick and a 2018 1st to use to secure my QB is better than a toolsy raw QB prospect out of Texas Tech or a sexual predator out of Clemson.”
 

I know that you’re trying to use revisionist history to alter the memory of some but Watson was widely regarded as the top QB in that draft with Trubisky as his competition for that spot. Mahomes was a late riser with great skills but a style that hadn’t translated to the league at that point. But go ahead and keep making up facts and trying to pass them off as truths. 
 

If you wanted Mahomes, no one will begrudge you. Just don’t be disingenuous and mislead people to fit your narrative. The Bills got their QB the next year, and, with the exception of Mahomes, he is the top QB in the league. The trade worked out fine. Not for nothing, but the draft value charts that NFL teams use, show that the Bills received a premium from the Chiefs to go to that spot. Again, let’s deal in facts. This place is so much better when people are truthful.

First of all, I am not trying to sway anyone to agree with me. I come here to talk about the Bills and football. I don't necessarily care whether or not you agree with my takes, and I'm quite certain that the feeling is mutual. That said, let's explore that trade a bit more, shall we? 

 

When McDermott made this trade, Beane was not there. Do you really think that McDermott was sure of Josh Allen being there for them in 2018?  I make the case that they lucked into Josh. In that same draft (2018) they also traded up for Tre Edmunds. Good move?

 

And if you think that the Bills received adequate compensation for the #10 pick, let's just agree to disagree. Going down 17 spots from a top 10 pick? For what they received? I don't think so. And really, it is up to professionals to recognize the best QB in football, not me and you.  We are just fans with opinions enjoying ourselves, no? 

 

So you see? There is no need to be accusatory or hostile. Not every fan has to support and/or every dumb move, or even  not so dumb move that the Bills make. We are fans, not cultish followers. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Edited March 7 by Bill from NYC

[Watkins90]

33 minutes ago, Beast said:

Why don’t they just bring back Frank Reich. I hear he’s available.

 

seriously though, I hope the Bills draft a kid in the late rounds and try to develop a backup that can possibly be a legit starter if called upon.

I think people forget that Trubisky has some good upside and got to the playoffs with the Bears. I think he is a solid back-up that you can trust to come in and win you a couple of games if need be. 

 

Plus, he is a good friend of Josh and can help Josh when it comes to the mental side of the game and breaking down opponents. That in itself would be worth its weight in gold. 

Edited March 7 by Watkins90

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said:

Of all the moves yesterday, this one had me puzzled. Trubisky looked so bad last year with the Steelers. Why not sign a rookie instead of this retread. Is this just a move to make Josh feel comfortable? Like theres no competition whatsoever for the starting job? What's the logic here?

Not puzzling at all. Trubisky comes across as a good team mate and smart. It is too bad his in-game performances have been bad. But in the Bills' situation, he is better than Kyle Allen. Depending on how the draft comes to us, I would support taking a 5th round or lower flyer on a QB in addition to having Trubisky.

 

As for his stint with the Steelers, I wonder how much of his awfulness (and yes he looked terrible in the couple of games I watched) was due to the OC Canada and how much was due to his limited skills. 

[Beast]

36 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

I think people forget that Trubisky has some good upside and got to the playoffs with the Bears. I think he is a solid back-up that you can trust to come in and win you a couple of games if need be. 

 

Plus, he is a good friend of Josh and can help Josh when it comes to the mental side of the game and breaking down opponents. That in itself would be worth its weight in gold. 

I don’t know how others feel but the “good friend of Josh” thing has worn out its welcome.

 

Josh is a good guy that can make friends with new players as well.

Edited March 7 by Beast

[Starr Almighty]

35 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

I think people forget that Trubisky has some good upside and got to the playoffs with the Bears. I think he is a solid back-up that you can trust to come in and win you a couple of games if need be. 

 

Plus, he is a good friend of Josh and can help Josh when it comes to the mental side of the game and breaking down opponents. That in itself would be worth its weight in gold. 

I think you forget that he didn't get a single victory in the games he was asked to play last season

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

I'm okay with the decision to bring him back.....you at least know you are getting a solid backup for sure and nothing more than that.

solid backup until he has to play...still not sure how he is solid

Edited March 7 by nucci

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No that doesn’t sound better because it still isn’t true. Being honest would sound better. He didn’t think Tre was more important than Mahomes. He thought, what many at the time thought, that the 2018 draft was THE draft to find a QB. He drafted an all-pro corner, used the extra 3rd to move up to get a WR that didn’t work out, and gained a 1st in 2018 to ensure that he would get a QB. He thought, “an all-pro corner, an extra top 100 pick and a 2018 1st to use to secure my QB is better than a toolsy raw QB prospect out of Texas Tech or a sexual predator out of Clemson.”
 

I know that you’re trying to use revisionist history to alter the memory of some but Watson was widely regarded as the top QB in that draft with Trubisky as his competition for that spot. Mahomes was a late riser with great skills but a style that hadn’t translated to the league at that point. But go ahead and keep making up facts and trying to pass them off as truths. 
 

If you wanted Mahomes, no one will begrudge you. Just don’t be disingenuous and mislead people to fit your narrative. The Bills got their QB the next year, and, with the exception of Mahomes, he is the top QB in the league. The trade worked out fine. Not for nothing, but the draft value charts that NFL teams use, show that the Bills received a premium from the Chiefs to go to that spot. Again, let’s deal in facts. This place is so much better when people are truthful.

 

It is absurd to think the HC (who didn't have the time to figure out the QB position 3 months from the draft in 2017) could assess during that time how the 2018 QB class would fare AND that Buffalo would get into position to draft one.  A new HC who needed help to draft a WR from the new position coach and then got intel from Carolina to jump up and take an OT in RD2.  The problem McD had in the 2017 off-season was he didn't prioritize the QB or offense in general and defaulted to what he knew: secondary and defense.  It was a strategic decision made by him, the dominant voice in the room (and still is) to go down that road.    

 

You well know that rebuilding teams don't have a chance in back to back years to find a veritable franchise QB.  Missed opportunities don't typically have happy endings for those teams, of which there are a few notables across the NFL right now.  Delaying the decision to draft a QB is often how new GMs and HC's wind up among the unemployed. 

 

The trade for Tre, on its face was bad then but is seen as worse not because we have hindsight on Mahomes.  It was bad investing a 1st round pick at a position that, from a positional value standpoint, features zone corners who aren't top picks or big dollar UFAs.  McD has demonstrated he can get adequate play from lesser value picks/UFAs. 

 

McD has and probably always will be stubborn to a fault by not acquiescing to the fact the NFL is offense-driven and his vision does not align with that.  He just started demonstrating that really early in 2017.   

 

 

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said:

I think you forget that he didn't get a single victory in the games he was asked to play last season

The Steelers whole offense was a mess and Matt Canada was arguably the worst OC in the NFL. 

 

I'm not saying Mitch is a top tier backup, but I'm also gonna say that in the scope of what really matters for Bills W/L it's pretty unimportant. 

[Watkins90]

7 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I think you forget that he didn't get a single victory in the games he was asked to play last season

Okay? The Steelers didn't have nearly the weapons that we do. They also fired their offensive coordinator. I'm just saying that Trublisky has played some good football. I'd rather have someone who has at least proven enough to lead a team to the playoffs than some rookie we hope and pray about god forbid Josh ever gets hurt. My two cents. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said:

Of all the moves yesterday, this one had me puzzled. Trubisky looked so bad last year with the Steelers. Why not sign a rookie instead of this retread. Is this just a move to make Josh feel comfortable? Like theres no competition whatsoever for the starting job? What's the logic here?

I agree....clearly the dumbest move yesterday.  Here we go again,  another overpriced scrub vet who will never see the field for 2.7M.  We should've just drafted a late development guy for the rookie minimum.  

Edited March 7 by LABILLBACKER

[Logic]

12 hours ago, section122 said:

 

He was 0-4 as a starter last year.  In those 4 games had 4 tds and 5 ints and threw for an average of 153 ypg at 6.1 ypa.  None of those numbers inspire confidence that he can get us through 2 quarters or 2 weeks.

 

I agree he knows our locker room in a physical sense but how many players are left from 2 years ago when he was here? 

 

I disagree he knows our coaches or our system.  We have already hired and fired a coordinator since he left.  How many coaches are even left from dabolls staff when he was here?

 

I watched him last year and he was not good at all.  This and the haack signing are headscratchers and hopefully just place holders in case the positions can't be improved in the draft or late fa.

The entire Steelers offense stunk last year. Their offensive coordinator was fired midseason after fans openly chanted "Fire Canada!" at games.

The best Trubisky has looked in his career, arguably, was when he was wearing Bills blue. 

 

Sometimes certain offenses, styles, and locker rooms fit certain players better. I think Trubisky thrived here.

Moreover, I'm just not sure who people would prefer at backup QB. The REALLY good backups in the league -- of which there are very few to begin with -- command more money and likely want a chance to compete to start. The types of guys that are willing to sign cheap contracts to be a guaranteed backups are not generally "starting caliber". That's why they're backups.

So I guess my question is: what backup that's willing to come here on a cheap deal and know for sure that he can't compete to be the starter is better than Trubisky? Who should the Bills have signed instead?

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

36 minutes ago, nucci said:

solid backup until he has to play...still not sure how he is solid

 

he holds the clipboard at a sharper-than-45-degree angle, which reduces the chance the cameras can pick up his play charting 😂

 

Todd Collins made a ton of money doing that job well

 

come to think of it, I don't even think backups do that anymore

[nucci]

1 minute ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said:

 

he holds the clipboard at a sharper-than-45-degree angle, which reduces the chance the cameras can pick up his play charting 😂

 

Todd Collins made a ton of money doing that job well

 

come to think of it, I don't even think backups do that anymore

they wear a headset and look at video on the tablet now