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How about the D-line? 1 sack in two playoff games


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4 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Yeah well they gotta keep drafting them til they get it right. One of most important positions in football. 


And, yet, we still win this game if we had receivers that could catch a football.

 

Even with those ineffective d-linemen.

 

With a healthier defensive back 7, I’ll take my chances with McDermott calling the defense.

 

GIVE ME SOME WIDE RECEIVERS.

 

 

 

 

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Everytime they got pressure Mahomes could step around it & the back 7 couldn't hold up long enough. I wonder how long Mahomes was holding the ball on average. If it came out quick then that's how they neutralized the pass rush if not then yeah the D-line needs an overhaul.

 

Ironically Miller's name got called twice which was the most all season.

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6 hours ago, Process said:

Sure we were beat up in the back 7, but the d line was fully healthy. McBeane has been absolutely relentless in pouring resources into the d line since they stepped foot in Buffalo. I don't think they came close to sniffing Mahomes tonight. 

If Beanne does not upgrade the piss poor WR room he needs to be fired,  enough with endless money and resources for the defensive side of the ball so they can pee the bed when the playoffs arrive.

46 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

The Chiefs draft well, no question about it.   Rebuilt an entire secondary in about 1 year.

Yup and also got a beast of RB in 7 round

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7 hours ago, Lost said:

 

All the more reason it's pointless invest so heavily in a DL when elite QBs will pick you apart anyway.   

The defensive system has to change, the zone sucks the good QBs pick it apart. Our last game every year is the same way, the QB drops back and throws to the openings in this crappy defense.

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8 hours ago, Simon said:

He was getting the ball out as soon as he hit his drop all night.

On the rare occasions our coverage was solid, he was quick to get out of there.

There were very limited opportunities for the pass rush to be effective and a big reason for that is that we were missing both our starting LB's, both our starting corners and Rasul was out there with a peg leg. You can't expect a DL to get home consistently in 2 seconds or less when there are guys running free all through the secondary.

You make good and valid points but you gotta admit, that was a pretty expensive one sack in terms of Miller and Oliver alone, no?

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7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Something tells me Milano, Bernard, Tre and Benford make Mahomes hold the ball a .5 second longer. 

 

I agree. To me, Milano was what was most egregiously missing yesterday. That was a huge loss. Bernard as well. 

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8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I haven’t seen AJ since October.  
 

Rousseau is mid.  
 

Oliver is a beast.  Same Jones.  But the interior of the KC line dominated them. 
 

Creed Humphrey is one of the 3 best centers in the league. 
 

Our DEs are a massive problem.  You can’t win SB with mid DEs. 

Wouldn't break my hear if we never saw AJ undersized-Epenesa ever again in a Bills uniform. 

2 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

The Chiefs draft well, no question about it.   Rebuilt an entire secondary in about 1 year.

More like they have a better DC and scheme than we do...

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8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Rousseau unfortunately did not have the breakout season that I expected him to have this year. He is possibly the best run stopping DE in the league and has been since his rookie season, but his pass rushing has not developed. 6.0 sacks in 18 games played is not what you hope for from a 1st rounder in his 3rd season.

 

I saw a stat that tonight was the first game since 2021 that Oliver had 0 pressures. The Chiefs have the best IOL in the league so this was somewhat expected. We needed our edge rushers to make an impact and it just didn't happen.

 

From the BN:

 

“Defensive tackle Ed Oliver had his lunch handed to him by Chiefs guard Joe Thuney. According to Next Gen Stats, Oliver had 10 one-on-one matchups against Thuney and failed to create a single pressure. Oliver and DaQuan Jones were held without a pressure on a combined 38 pass rushes.”

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1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

From the BN:

 

“Defensive tackle Ed Oliver had his lunch handed to him by Chiefs guard Joe Thuney. According to Next Gen Stats, Oliver had 10 one-on-one matchups against Thuney and failed to create a single pressure. Oliver and DaQuan Jones were held without a pressure on a combined 38 pass rushes.”


Odd because I literally saw him create at least two pressures.

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6 hours ago, DrPJax said:

     Eric Washington needs to be gone.  This d line was terrible. Oliver had 0 pressures. Hasn’t happened since ‘21.  No significant plays or sacks once again against a foe you know well.  This all goes back to mcd and failed performances in big games.  Kelce , who was running free at times, w two tds tonight and had never done that all season. How does that stuff happen?  No defensive stops till we were behind and had given up 27 points.  Throw in crazy fake punt, allowing an obviously injured punter to kick and hold , wasted time outs , bad penalties , kc running  easily with no answer but Spags stopped cook w run blitzes.   Outcoached , again. 

I agree but I have read posters here who say Washington is the heir apparent to be the D coordinator when McD gives up the duties.  The positional coach who excels at whatever group he coaches is Babich.

 

The trouble Babich had in this game was Klein was his option at MLB.  The young ones all improved under his tutelage.

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It is also crazy to rush 4 with no creativity. Oliver and the ends never bother with any kind of inside move. Maybe that was the plan, but it is easy for an OT to run guys up the field when they know they are taking a contain rush. Oliver was very disappointed, but he was held a lot. Offensive holding was barely called this weekend, so maybe it's a playoff adjustment. But Oliver just really didn't do much of anything. With everyone running straight up the field, it was easy for Mahomes to step up and make plays. 

 

I have been pretty critical about the lack of twists in the rush game the last few years. Again it feels like it was the gameplan to keep Mahomes in the pocket and that neutered the pass rush. Even in this instance, coaching did not put their players in a situation to maximize their abilities. Coaching is the issue. 

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27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

DL and the whole defense failed to step up again vs KC in the playoffs. The Hardman fumble saved this from being a blowout honestly. It was way to easy for KC.

 

 

Yep. Bills saved by the dumbest rule in the NFL. 

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8 hours ago, Process said:

Sure we were beat up in the back 7, but the d line was fully healthy. McBeane has been absolutely relentless in pouring resources into the d line since they stepped foot in Buffalo. I don't think they came close to sniffing Mahomes tonight. 

 

Best post of the year. I've been a long time STH and so have my seatmates have been. I kept pitching about the defense all night and my buddy kept saying, well we have a lot of injuries on defense. 

 

I said, our d-line is healthy and they can't stop the run, and there is no pressure on Mahomes. After halftime, not one adjustment. McDermott is worthless. Sorry to say, but he is killing this team. 

 

TP wants to keep hiring the cheapest, no experienced people to run his teams. He's a joke. Sell the f'n teams ass-whole

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A big time incriminating statistic against Sean. He should have found a way to pressure Mahomes, he was finding receivers wide open. Also, Pacheco was running wild against our front.  The LBs and DL had a bad game. We were outmanned and if Josh pulled that game out of his rear end it would have been miraculous. He came close. 

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all the resources spent on defense and they have been dominated every year in the playoffs against the Bengals and Chiefs. 

 

Yes, we beat Skylar Thompson (barely), Mason Rudolph, Mac Jones, and the Ravens when Lamar went out with a concussion.

 

This isn't a one year thing. McDermott's defenses always no-show. This year there were injuries, but the result was the same. The DL was healthy and no-showed. 

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9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I haven’t seen AJ since October.  
 

Rousseau is mid.  
 

Oliver is a beast.  Same Jones.  But the interior of the KC line dominated them. 
 

Creed Humphrey is one of the 3 best centers in the league. 
 

Our DEs are a massive problem.  You can’t win SB with mid DEs. 

But how many draft picks and FA's have been spent on DL?  If this is the case and they STILL aren't worth a damn, then we need someone else doing the Evaluation and draft picks. I mean damn, it is what it is.

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Von scheduled to count for nearly $24 million on the Bills’ 2024 salary cap, a $6.435 million portion of his $17+ million base salary will become guaranteed on March 18. 

A post-June 1 cut will leave the Bills with $17+ million in dead money in 2024 and $15.4 million in 2025. I don’t see how you keep Miller on the roster. The Rams showed that drafting young players and dumping contracts beats keeping dead weight on the roster. It was a great idea that failed.

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They will be plenty of roster changes for sure,  I just hope Beane learns the team cannot have special teams player other than punter/Kicker and long snapper.  They cannot afford guys taking up roster sports that cannot contribute to either regular offence or defence

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Floyd, Rousseau, Ed and DaQuon are a great starting front four.  They didn't impact the game nearly as much as we had hoped but they're all very good to great at their positions.  No changes required there for next year assuming Floyd doesn't get goofy with contract demands. 

 

Von had a few tackles but obviously is old and slow and playing off his name and coaching/leadership skills. (remember he was drafted with AJ Green, Dareus, Julio Jones, JJ Watt-- all guys that have nothing left after years of getting beat up. Von doesn't either, but he got one last huge 50M guaranteed payday on his way out, unfortunately it was from us.  I don't blame him for doing it, or Beane for taking a flyer on him, it just sucks that we have to endure him trying to justify his money/ignore the fact that he's washed...its pretty sad for everyone)

 

The biggest shock was lack of middle penetration by Ed n DQ vs run or pass.  That's the key to helping the DE's get home, splitting that pocket and forcing the QB to move either direction.  It also help the LB's hammer the run, but those interior OL guys for KC are way better than I remembered.  Not blaming the loss on the Dline, in a lot of cases we dropped 8 into coverage anyway, they did enough to get us the win.

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Most of those DEs should be WRs 

 

time to free up some cap space and find a way to bring in Tee Higgins AND Michael Pittman Jr AND draft a top WR.

 

want to win? That’s how you do it.  I’m just the messenger 

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