JerseyBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, bills6969 said: I really hope Von Miller returns to form next year or we will have no pass rush again i hope he retires 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 The Chiefs draft well, no question about it. Rebuilt an entire secondary in about 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said: Yeah well they gotta keep drafting them til they get it right. One of most important positions in football. And, yet, we still win this game if we had receivers that could catch a football. Even with those ineffective d-linemen. With a healthier defensive back 7, I’ll take my chances with McDermott calling the defense. GIVE ME SOME WIDE RECEIVERS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Everytime they got pressure Mahomes could step around it & the back 7 couldn't hold up long enough. I wonder how long Mahomes was holding the ball on average. If it came out quick then that's how they neutralized the pass rush if not then yeah the D-line needs an overhaul. Ironically Miller's name got called twice which was the most all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 So much for little Ed's promising season. Was a ghost all postseason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 hours ago, Process said: Sure we were beat up in the back 7, but the d line was fully healthy. McBeane has been absolutely relentless in pouring resources into the d line since they stepped foot in Buffalo. I don't think they came close to sniffing Mahomes tonight. If Beanne does not upgrade the piss poor WR room he needs to be fired, enough with endless money and resources for the defensive side of the ball so they can pee the bed when the playoffs arrive. 46 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: The Chiefs draft well, no question about it. Rebuilt an entire secondary in about 1 year. Yup and also got a beast of RB in 7 round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Lost said: All the more reason it's pointless invest so heavily in a DL when elite QBs will pick you apart anyway. The defensive system has to change, the zone sucks the good QBs pick it apart. Our last game every year is the same way, the QB drops back and throws to the openings in this crappy defense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Big Blitz said: DE in round 1 is high probability imo. DEs harder to find later in the draft. no thanks. need a WE. we drafted Greg R. in rd 1. dude is average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Simon said: He was getting the ball out as soon as he hit his drop all night. On the rare occasions our coverage was solid, he was quick to get out of there. There were very limited opportunities for the pass rush to be effective and a big reason for that is that we were missing both our starting LB's, both our starting corners and Rasul was out there with a peg leg. You can't expect a DL to get home consistently in 2 seconds or less when there are guys running free all through the secondary. You make good and valid points but you gotta admit, that was a pretty expensive one sack in terms of Miller and Oliver alone, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Something tells me Milano, Bernard, Tre and Benford make Mahomes hold the ball a .5 second longer. I agree. To me, Milano was what was most egregiously missing yesterday. That was a huge loss. Bernard as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 At home ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, RiotAct said: good God, NO. If we lose AJE and Floyd in UFA are you comfy putting out a washed Von Miller and run blocking DE first in Rousseau as your pass rushers? Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Hey, Von made the stat sheet! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I haven’t seen AJ since October. Rousseau is mid. Oliver is a beast. Same Jones. But the interior of the KC line dominated them. Creed Humphrey is one of the 3 best centers in the league. Our DEs are a massive problem. You can’t win SB with mid DEs. Wouldn't break my hear if we never saw AJ undersized-Epenesa ever again in a Bills uniform. 2 hours ago, billsfan714 said: The Chiefs draft well, no question about it. Rebuilt an entire secondary in about 1 year. More like they have a better DC and scheme than we do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 DL and the whole defense failed to step up again vs KC in the playoffs. The Hardman fumble saved this from being a blowout honestly. It was way to easy for KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 McDermott is the best secondary coach in football. problem is he’s our head coach and every other unit underperforms or is par, save maybe linebacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Every time I say the Dline must have a huge game, they lay an egg. Getting really sick of it. I am glad half of this line needs to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Fallser said: Wouldn't break my hear if we never saw AJ undersized-Epenesa ever again in a Bills uniform. That's what Tua said. Although he didn't actually SEE him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bills Fan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: DE in round 1 is high probability imo. DEs harder to find later in the draft. With Steph. Seemingly washed up a WR. Is a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, HappyDays said: Rousseau unfortunately did not have the breakout season that I expected him to have this year. He is possibly the best run stopping DE in the league and has been since his rookie season, but his pass rushing has not developed. 6.0 sacks in 18 games played is not what you hope for from a 1st rounder in his 3rd season. I saw a stat that tonight was the first game since 2021 that Oliver had 0 pressures. The Chiefs have the best IOL in the league so this was somewhat expected. We needed our edge rushers to make an impact and it just didn't happen. From the BN: “Defensive tackle Ed Oliver had his lunch handed to him by Chiefs guard Joe Thuney. According to Next Gen Stats, Oliver had 10 one-on-one matchups against Thuney and failed to create a single pressure. Oliver and DaQuan Jones were held without a pressure on a combined 38 pass rushes.” 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: From the BN: “Defensive tackle Ed Oliver had his lunch handed to him by Chiefs guard Joe Thuney. According to Next Gen Stats, Oliver had 10 one-on-one matchups against Thuney and failed to create a single pressure. Oliver and DaQuan Jones were held without a pressure on a combined 38 pass rushes.” Odd because I literally saw him create at least two pressures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since79 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 hours ago, DrPJax said: Eric Washington needs to be gone. This d line was terrible. Oliver had 0 pressures. Hasn’t happened since ‘21. No significant plays or sacks once again against a foe you know well. This all goes back to mcd and failed performances in big games. Kelce , who was running free at times, w two tds tonight and had never done that all season. How does that stuff happen? No defensive stops till we were behind and had given up 27 points. Throw in crazy fake punt, allowing an obviously injured punter to kick and hold , wasted time outs , bad penalties , kc running easily with no answer but Spags stopped cook w run blitzes. Outcoached , again. I agree but I have read posters here who say Washington is the heir apparent to be the D coordinator when McD gives up the duties. The positional coach who excels at whatever group he coaches is Babich. The trouble Babich had in this game was Klein was his option at MLB. The young ones all improved under his tutelage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 It is also crazy to rush 4 with no creativity. Oliver and the ends never bother with any kind of inside move. Maybe that was the plan, but it is easy for an OT to run guys up the field when they know they are taking a contain rush. Oliver was very disappointed, but he was held a lot. Offensive holding was barely called this weekend, so maybe it's a playoff adjustment. But Oliver just really didn't do much of anything. With everyone running straight up the field, it was easy for Mahomes to step up and make plays. I have been pretty critical about the lack of twists in the rush game the last few years. Again it feels like it was the gameplan to keep Mahomes in the pocket and that neutered the pass rush. Even in this instance, coaching did not put their players in a situation to maximize their abilities. Coaching is the issue. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: DL and the whole defense failed to step up again vs KC in the playoffs. The Hardman fumble saved this from being a blowout honestly. It was way to easy for KC. Yep. Bills saved by the dumbest rule in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Process said: Sure we were beat up in the back 7, but the d line was fully healthy. McBeane has been absolutely relentless in pouring resources into the d line since they stepped foot in Buffalo. I don't think they came close to sniffing Mahomes tonight. Best post of the year. I've been a long time STH and so have my seatmates have been. I kept pitching about the defense all night and my buddy kept saying, well we have a lot of injuries on defense. I said, our d-line is healthy and they can't stop the run, and there is no pressure on Mahomes. After halftime, not one adjustment. McDermott is worthless. Sorry to say, but he is killing this team. TP wants to keep hiring the cheapest, no experienced people to run his teams. He's a joke. Sell the f'n teams ass-whole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 We needed them to step up big yesterday, and they didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Humphrey and Thuney dominated our DTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 A big time incriminating statistic against Sean. He should have found a way to pressure Mahomes, he was finding receivers wide open. Also, Pacheco was running wild against our front. The LBs and DL had a bad game. We were outmanned and if Josh pulled that game out of his rear end it would have been miraculous. He came close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) all the resources spent on defense and they have been dominated every year in the playoffs against the Bengals and Chiefs. Yes, we beat Skylar Thompson (barely), Mason Rudolph, Mac Jones, and the Ravens when Lamar went out with a concussion. This isn't a one year thing. McDermott's defenses always no-show. This year there were injuries, but the result was the same. The DL was healthy and no-showed. Edited January 22 by TheFunPolice 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I haven’t seen AJ since October. Rousseau is mid. Oliver is a beast. Same Jones. But the interior of the KC line dominated them. Creed Humphrey is one of the 3 best centers in the league. Our DEs are a massive problem. You can’t win SB with mid DEs. But how many draft picks and FA's have been spent on DL? If this is the case and they STILL aren't worth a damn, then we need someone else doing the Evaluation and draft picks. I mean damn, it is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Harris 69 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Von scheduled to count for nearly $24 million on the Bills’ 2024 salary cap, a $6.435 million portion of his $17+ million base salary will become guaranteed on March 18. A post-June 1 cut will leave the Bills with $17+ million in dead money in 2024 and $15.4 million in 2025. I don’t see how you keep Miller on the roster. The Rams showed that drafting young players and dumping contracts beats keeping dead weight on the roster. It was a great idea that failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 They will be plenty of roster changes for sure, I just hope Beane learns the team cannot have special teams player other than punter/Kicker and long snapper. They cannot afford guys taking up roster sports that cannot contribute to either regular offence or defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Floyd, Rousseau, Ed and DaQuon are a great starting front four. They didn't impact the game nearly as much as we had hoped but they're all very good to great at their positions. No changes required there for next year assuming Floyd doesn't get goofy with contract demands. Von had a few tackles but obviously is old and slow and playing off his name and coaching/leadership skills. (remember he was drafted with AJ Green, Dareus, Julio Jones, JJ Watt-- all guys that have nothing left after years of getting beat up. Von doesn't either, but he got one last huge 50M guaranteed payday on his way out, unfortunately it was from us. I don't blame him for doing it, or Beane for taking a flyer on him, it just sucks that we have to endure him trying to justify his money/ignore the fact that he's washed...its pretty sad for everyone) The biggest shock was lack of middle penetration by Ed n DQ vs run or pass. That's the key to helping the DE's get home, splitting that pocket and forcing the QB to move either direction. It also help the LB's hammer the run, but those interior OL guys for KC are way better than I remembered. Not blaming the loss on the Dline, in a lot of cases we dropped 8 into coverage anyway, they did enough to get us the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I expected issues with CB and LB play given the injuries. I knew the Chiefs would be able to move the ball. But I did hope that the DL could come up with some big plays to slow the Chiefs down. Their no-show was a sad surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Most of those DEs should be WRs time to free up some cap space and find a way to bring in Tee Higgins AND Michael Pittman Jr AND draft a top WR. want to win? That’s how you do it. I’m just the messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 We have no playmakers on D. There, I said it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, stuvian said: We have no playmakers on D. There, I said it Milano and Douglas are playmakers imo. Bernard is a playmaker. Johnson. There are plenty of Guys who can make plays. Edited January 22 by starrymessenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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