Where does this regime go from here?

[Iverwig]

The special teams coach must be a relative of McD because I don’t understand how he still has a job. 

[Big Turk]

Asking if they can speed up the new stadium so they can get off the old Erie Native American burial ground the current one is on.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Ultimately it comes down to coaching. Even at the end. McD knows that Bass is struggling and so does Brady. Why did we even kick there?? ? Even if Bass gets the FG we probably lose this game because the Chiefs get into winning FG range easily when they get the ball back. Once we didnt get the touchdown we lost.

 

McD just isnt up to the job when it comes to this high stress crucial decisions.

This is getting thumbs ups?  Lol 4th and 9 you’ve gotta take the fg it is absolutely insanity to do otherwise 

 

probably lose if we get the fg yea maybe…but the odds of converting that 4th and 9 were extraordinarily low 

 

edit: y’all are crazy 😂. Getting stopped on that 4th and 9 was probably like a 75% chance and then you look like the biggest clown in the universe 

Edited January 22 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[nedboy7]

1 minute ago, Iverwig said:

Every year it’s someone else’s fault but never McD’s. The team is unprepared time after time in big moments and that’s on the coach. McD freezes up in the big moments but let’s keep making excuses for him. No doubt he will be back again next year but we the fans will be disappointed once again. 

 

Prepared to what?  Catch the ***** ball?  Kick a ***** FG?  Nah.  Players are just as responsible.  McD isn't their daddy.  Prepared my ass. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

You said if the Bills lost this game you would be on the fire McDermott band wagon. 

 

Absolutely. I debated titling this thread the official fire McDermott thread but didn't want to be inflammatory. But yes I want him gone even though there is a 0% chance of that happening. We are wasting years of elite QB play. We had the easiest possible opportunity to go the distance this year given the state of the conference and once again we blew it when it mattered. I don't think McDermott deserves another swing at the bat.

[boyst]

21 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Run it back McDermott fans.  Will be 0-4 in the playoffs with Josh Mother*****ing Allen.  When does it get through to you Mcdlovers?

Sean McFontes

[dma0034]

Fire McDermott, Hire Belichick. Cheat and win a Superbowl

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Another case of our head coach's brain freezing up in a critical moment in a playoff game. It now takes two hands to count such moments.

 

I have zero optimism about this franchise under McDermott. Really good guy, albeit wound very tight, but just not a championship coach.

I thought he coached looser tonight tbh.  I can’t get too worked up about McD’s schemes and effort this past month.  They put themselves against the wall with zero margin for error and they still almost pulled it off.

 

Where do they go?  They need to exit Phase One of McBeane Regime and move to Phase Two.  Phase One was to invest heavily in the d line, rely on aging safeties to make heady plays, and let Allen try to will the entire offense to victory with little help.

 

Phase Two needs to pivot to heavy investment in playmakers on offense.  The Packers somehow have like seven good young receivers - the Bills have maybe one (Shakir).  If they don’t make that pivot and double down on trying to win with defense, they’re going to go down as the modern day Martyball Meatheads.  
 

This was a legacy game for McBeane, and their legacy is now on fumes.  Need to change things up big time.  Hopefully Terry sees it - I’m not sure he does.

[RyanC883]

away.  hopefully this regime goes away.  Perhaps fire Bean who failed to get WRs, and for sure McD, who failed numerous times this season including today.  

[Yobogoya!]

42 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They are the Philip Rivers Chargers. 

 

Philip Rivers should consider himself lucky if Josh let's him hold his jock strap on the golf course some time.

 

Honestly I get the comparison, but Rivers was never one of the top 2 quarterbacks in the league EVER in his career.

[Iverwig]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

They are in no man’s land with McD. 

AFC version of Mike McCarthy

[PauleeeWalnuts]

44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They are the Philip Rivers Chargers. 

And McD is Marty Shottenheimer reincarnated 

[Iverwig]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

away.  hopefully this regime goes away.  Perhaps fire Bean who failed to get WRs, and for sure McD, who failed numerous times this season including today.  

Unfortunately we all know they will both be back unless they leave on their own. People are once again making excuses for McD. It’s never his fault in some fans eyes. 

[Livinginthepast]

7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This is getting thumbs ups?  Lol 4th and 9 you’ve gotta take the fg it is absolutely insanity to do otherwise 

 

probably lose if we get the fg yea maybe…but the odds of converting that 4th and 9 were extraordinarily low 

Not insanity at all with an iffy kicker (who is in a bad headspace) on a cold night and a defense who had few answers at all. We needed to go for the 4th down play and win it with no time for the Chiefs to go down the field for a TD. 

Edited January 22 by Livinginthepast

[Dr.Sack]

Got to re-tool and continue improving the roster. FA and the draft up next.

[Freddie's Dead]

Agree with you Chubs.  Where should this regime go from here?  Straight to the unemployment line.  But they won't.  And next year will be yet another wasted year in the career of Joshua Patrick Allen, the best QB ever.  But Josh will never be recognized as such, because he doesn't have the hardware.  And why?  This coaching staff is inferior to Andy Reid's staff in KC.  Simple.

[LifeLongBillsFan]

44 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Brady becomes the official OC gets a full offseason doing it. Kincaid, Shakir, and Cook get bigger roles in the offense, maybe somebody buys Cook a jugs machine. Defense gets Milano, Benford, and White back. We're probably going to take a WR high in the draft to replace Gabe and to come up behind Diggs who hopefully gets healthy because he doesn't seem right.

White is not good any more 

wish he would prove me wrong but he won’t 

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Agree with you Chubs.  Where should this regime go from here?  Straight to the unemployment line.  But they won't.  And next year will be yet another wasted year in the career of Joshua Patrick Allen, the best QB ever.  But Josh will never be recognized as such, because he doesn't have the hardware.  And why?  This coaching staff is inferior to Andy Reid's staff in KC.  Simple.

Can't respect this enough 

[Yobogoya!]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Rivers was a top 4-5 QB in his prime… yea I’d take Josh all day but Rivers was damn good.

 

Rivers was good, routinely top 10. Had a few years top 5. But if Josh's career unmercifully continues on this path, I think a more apt comparison is Marino.

[Chugga]

Tony Dungy will be a HOF coach and he got fired in order for the Bucs to win a SB.  Hell even Andy Reid was fired when he hit his ceiling in Philly.

 

McDermott has done some fantastic things for this team and its culture but if you can fire those guys you can certainly fire him.

 

IMHO there has been a disconnect between our GM and HC for a long time and it has only made things even more complicated.  Beane has drafted players and brought in free agents that McDermott refuses to put on the field or he claims are unable to be coached up.  But we’ll call up John Brown, Cole Beasley, and AJ Klein off their couches to start.  Why do we spend so much on Harty to return kicks?  What was the point of Hines?  Spent money on Ford who never sees the field.  Resigned Knox for good TE money when we didn’t use TEs then we draft one anyways.

 

I feel like we have hit our ceiling under this current coaching staff.

[BullBuchanan]

In my mind, our best shot will be when Andy Reid retires. As long as he's there, the offense will continue to be an unstoppable machine. Allen played a great game that would have been good enough to beat most teams today, but Mahomes was flawless and their offense was unstoppable. If today didn't put to bed the ridiculous notion around here that Mahomes is in anyway inferior to Josh, than nothing will. I say that to take nothing away from the incredible and elite talent that Allen is, but only to say that your strategy simply can't be to have Allen go out there and outperform Mahomes in the playoffs, because it will never happen.

We scored methodically today, but KC scored at will. We're going to need an historically good defense and an offensive scheme to rival theirs. The former may never happen, and I can't see the latter happening as long as Andy Reid is coaching and our personnel talent pool is limited exclusively to people who have worked in North Carolina.

[Paup 1995MVP]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Another case of our head coach's brain freezing up in a critical moment in a playoff game. It now takes two hands to count such moments.

 

I have zero optimism about this franchise under McDermott. Really good guy, albeit wound very tight, but just not a championship coach.

5 years, no super bowl appearances.  1 championship game.  Obviously not good enough.  But the offense is severely limited with the WR group we have.  They just can not get any separation or make any sort of contested catch, or catch any deep ball for that matter.  Keep Shakir, and the rest can go including Diggs.  His play has fallen off a cliff in the second half of the season.  Kincaid is a big talent when used properly.  But the D looked awful for most of the game.  Sure we have injuries, but the D Line did not show.  That's a big problem.  And McDermott or Brady really did not make any adjustments in our game plan to catch the Chiefs off guard.  Tough painful loss.  

[PBF81]

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Where does this regime go from here?

 

More of the same.  Pegula's satisfied and counting his billions.  No changes.  

 

For us fans, expect more of the same.  Solid regular season performance, maybe a WC Round win, then a Divisional Round loss.  

 

Who knows when Pegula will fire McD.  He's got 9 lives and through only a couple of them.  

 

The repetitive play-calling in the 2nd Half for plays that clearly were not working was mind-blowing.  

 

We ran 37 plays for a paltry 133 yards in the 2nd Half!!!!  That's 3.6 yards-per-play, which SUCKS!  

 

 

[NoSaint]

58 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

This was the weakest version of the Chiefs that we will probably ever see under Mahomes.

 

We got them in our stadium.

 

We had an all-world Josh Allen performance. Mahomes missed 2 TD passes.

 

We got lucky with a fumble through the end zone saving the game for us.

 

And it still wasn't enough to get it done.

 

I felt all along like it had to be this year that we beat the Chiefs to give fans some kind of confidence that this regime could get over that hump. After today, can we honestly be confident that this regime will ever take us to the promised land?

 

That means McDermott AND Beane by the way. Defensive coaching in this game was awful. And ultimately poor WR play was once again our biggest issue on offense, after years of under investing in the position.

 

I don't know man. I can't even find it in me to feel hopeful about next year with the same guys in charge.

yea, 11 wins then 1-1 in the playoffs ain’t it 

 

roll in burrow/bengals issues

 

we already missed the easiest window, and we’re still gifted this year. 
 

if it hasn’t happened yet, other than dumb luck, I don’t understand why we think McDermott will make it happen in a more challenging year 

[NoSaint]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

We don’t. Fans are just scared to give up on all this success that’s won is some division champs for something totally unknown from an owner who doesn’t have a clue. The Bills are truly in a bad spot going forward. 

a lot of people are seemingly scared to walk away from a nice enough girl that just doesn’t feel like “the one” because their last couple gfs were abusive or cheated so who knows what’s out there to hurt them

[VW82]

Next year feels like a rebuilding year given our cap challenges and the collective age of our core. Confidence or no, this regime we be here next season. No way Pegula takes the hit after giving out huge extensions. 

Edited January 22 by VW82

[GASabresIUFan]

I may be in the minority, but I like where I think this team is headed.  We are old along the D Line and Safety, but those are not insurmountable problems.  I think there are very good pieces on this team, but a lack of good depth at WR and injuries on D ultimately ended the season.

 

We have a franchise QB, a good RB, a good O Line with some good young players.  We have a top young TE who is going to get better and an emerging slot WR in Shakir.  Knox should also be better next season.  I also like what I saw from Ty Johnson.

 

On defense, I like Milano, Oliver, Rousseau, Douglas, Benard, Taron Johnson, and Benford.  That's a really good core D with some very young (and cheap) talent.  I'd like to see Jones and Floyd re-signed.  I believe Dodson, Spector, and Williams will give us strong LB depth next season.  I can also see Poyer returning for a final season.

 

The off-season priorities are safety, WR, and D Line, and I think Beane should be able to address those needs early in draft with possible instant starters.  I would love to draft Adonai Mitchell early.  He is big and fast with excellent hands.  I also think there will be 3-4 safeties available late in the 2nd rd who could start immediately like UGA's Bullard. 

 

The other priority is finding 40 million in cap space to get under the cap.

$6 million likely comes from releasing Tre White (10 million dead cap). 

$9 million could come from moving on from Mitch Morse, but I don't see that happening.  I can see an extension to lower his $12 mill cap hit.

$4 million comes from dumping Harty

Dumping Gilliam saves another $2

We can also save some $ by extending or restructuring Taron Johnson's deal.  

 

The team is currently paying stupid money to Diggs, Miller, and Knox.  Finding some savings here will go along way to fixing the payroll.  Also Josh counts $47 mill against next year's cap (or about 19.5%).

 

I also have zero problem with bringing Brady back as OC.  I think he'll have a better handle on the offense next season with a full off-season to prepare for the job and if Beane gets him better weapons at WR.

 

Edited January 22 by GASabresIUFan

[BananaB]

McD D comes first. That’s always been the way, always gonna be the way. 
 

Even at trade deadline when everything seemed like it was going wrong, McDs D got Joseph and Douglas. Getting a WR that can catch the ***** ball would been helpful

[Governor]

Now is the time to tear it down. Get some fresh offensive minds in here and start dumping players on this awful defense. 
 

I would even say that trading Josh isn’t entirely off the table. He will want out after next season so we might as well get a record haul for him. But we can’t do any of this with McD in the building.

[BeastMaster]

23 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

In my mind, our best shot will be when Andy Reid retires. As long as he's there, the offense will continue to be an unstoppable machine. Allen played a great game that would have been good enough to beat most teams today, but Mahomes was flawless and their offense was unstoppable. If today didn't put to bed the ridiculous notion around here that Mahomes is in anyway inferior to Josh, than nothing will. I say that to take nothing away from the incredible and elite talent that Allen is, but only to say that your strategy simply can't be to have Allen go out there and outperform Mahomes in the playoffs, because it will never happen.

We scored methodically today, but KC scored at will. We're going to need an historically good defense and an offensive scheme to rival theirs. The former may never happen, and I can't see the latter happening as long as Andy Reid is coaching and our personnel talent pool is limited exclusively to people who have worked in North Carolina.

In all fairness...our defense was Swiss cheese like it always is when we play a top flight QB in the playoffs, plus the injuries. KC has had a top flight pass defense this season.

 

I don't think Mahomes was as impressive today as you're making him out to be. Switch Allen and Mahomes and he struggles against their defense and Josh carves us up

[Nextmanup]

Just now, Governor said:

Now is the time to tear it down. Get some fresh offensive minds in here and start dumping players on this awful defense. 
 

I would even say that trading Josh isn’t entirely off the table. He will want out after next season so we might as well get a record haul for him. But we can’t do any of this with McD in the building.

This is the natural off-season to change the coaching staff.  Team will be in upheaval anyway. 

 

The new guy will want some new personnel and want the offense built in a certain manner.  That's fine...we need a new WR corps anyway.  

 

First item of business would be to get rid of all of these underachieving D-linemen if possible.

 

 

 

 

[Governor]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

This is the natural off-season to change the coaching staff.  Team will be in upheaval anyway. 

 

The new guy will want some new personnel and want the offense built in a certain manner.  That's fine...we need a new WR corps anyway.  

 

First item of business would be to get rid of all of these underachieving D-linemen if possible.

 

 

 

 

I agree. I think it’s the perfect time. Let a new regime work with Josh and if he doesn’t like it, or they don’t like it, trade him.

 

He’s only running this back 1 more year under McD before he demands a trade anyway.

 

Try to salvage it the best we can.

[UKBillFan]

31 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

In my mind, our best shot will be when Andy Reid retires. As long as he's there, the offense will continue to be an unstoppable machine. Allen played a great game that would have been good enough to beat most teams today, but Mahomes was flawless and their offense was unstoppable. If today didn't put to bed the ridiculous notion around here that Mahomes is in anyway inferior to Josh, than nothing will. I say that to take nothing away from the incredible and elite talent that Allen is, but only to say that your strategy simply can't be to have Allen go out there and outperform Mahomes in the playoffs, because it will never happen.

We scored methodically today, but KC scored at will. We're going to need an historically good defense and an offensive scheme to rival theirs. The former may never happen, and I can't see the latter happening as long as Andy Reid is coaching and our personnel talent pool is limited exclusively to people who have worked in North Carolina.

Mahomes was not flawless. And he was not flawless up against a battered defense.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, BeastMaster said:

In all fairness...our defense was Swiss cheese like it always is when we play a top flight QB in the playoffs, plus the injuries. KC has had a top flight pass defense this season.

 

I don't think Mahomes was as impressive today as you're making him out to be. Switch Allen and Mahomes and he struggles against their defense and Josh carves us up

Mahomes doesn't tyically struggle against merely good defenses.  He has too many ways to deal with them and no small part of that is having Travis Kelce. You would need to throw things at him he's never seen and overwhelm his targets in a way no one has ever done to stop him. Maybe the ravens or 49ers can do it, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

I acknowledge that our defense was pretty bad today. Douglas really shouldn't have been starting as it was obvious his injury was holding him back despite being in pretty decent position most of the day, and being stuck with Klein at LB #1 was a liability. Most disappointing however was our completely healthy and exorbitantly expensive D-line that was invisible all game. We certainly got bit hard by injuries, but that group was who we needed to show up and they didn't.

[RyanC883]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

I agree. I think it’s the perfect time. Let a new regime work with Josh and if he doesn’t like it, or they don’t like it, trade him.

 

He’s only running this back 1 more year under McD before he demands a trade anyway.

 

Try to salvage it the best we can.

 

I hope he demands a trade now.  Me or McD.  Pegs would have to go with Josh.  Sick of seeing all our assets wasted on the D.  

[chongli]

 

 

[Big Blitz]

WR 1

Safety 

DE 

WR 2/3

 

No problem.   But at least the Oline, TE, CB, LB, and RB positions are set.  

[chongli]

 

 

Edited January 22 by chongli

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I hope he demands a trade now.  Me or McD.  Pegs would have to go with Josh.  Sick of seeing all our assets wasted on the D.  

It would be amazing if he did. This has gone on long enough.

[iinii]

Home for a whiskey and cold pizza.