Injuries vs Steelers - Update from McDermott

[QCity]

1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Really? I think he looks like an alcoholic.

 

The Colts' Pat McAfee Is Quite Literally A Liquored Up Kicker

[BuffaloBill]

2 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Really? I think he looks like an alcoholic.

 Sarcasm anyone?

[Thrivefourfive]

I wonder how well Allen can punt. Big, high, beautiful punts isn’t really necessary every time. Put Allen back there and go with the ol’ Run/Pass\Punt-Option. Works every time. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Taron being out would be a huge loss, it’s still possible he could get cleared in time though. There were a couple of guys that got concussions this year and had short turnarounds and then played less than a week later. So it can happen

 

He is the one to watch. If we had a full week I'd be confident he would play. A short week makes me more nervy. I just think with him and Bernard out the level of athleticism in the middle our D takes a major hit. Williams can fly around but he is still a bit too rash and raw, and then Klein, Cam Lewis, Neal, even Dodson if healthy.... you lose a bit of burst at that level.

[phypon]

4 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

The Colts' Pat McAfee Is Quite Literally A Liquored Up Kicker

"was an professional football player".  "An" professional???  "An"?  Hmmm...That was an hysterical use of the Inglesh language.  Article lost me right there.  I'm gong to have a shot now.  Space Ghost...

[Starr Almighty]

28 minutes ago, Punch said:

 

This. He cannot make his NFL debut in this spot, especially after missing two whole seasons. There were already questions about his ability to hold due to inexperience.

 

It's a recipe for disaster in the Divisional Round of the AFC Playoffs against the Kansas City Chiefs, for crying out loud!

I don't think it (Matt A)will happen but what if Allen holds for FGs

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I doubt he is in football shape even by Welsh standards.

 

 

That’ll do pig

[MrEpsYtown]

Pat O’Donnell as I mentioned above is probably the best veteran avalable. Was a surprise cut in camp. 
 

Haack has been mentioned. Another lefty they have been around before and is a free agent is Michael Palardy, neither of these guys are ideal in my opinion. 
 

Drue Chrisman is out there, young, but has some experience and was good for Cincy at times. Got hurt in camp and lost his job, but they drafted his replacement the year before anyway. 

 

Young guys Araiza and guys like Michael Turk are available but have not taken a regular season snap yet. 

[Punching Bag]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Been busy with work all day.  I skimmed a few pages but didn’t see anything concrete.  Except Bernard’s X-rays negative (could be a two week injury) and Spector has a back injury that is basically just pain management 

 

It is not just pain management for additional hits or moving wrong way could cause more damage causing recovery to take longer or require surgery if it does not need it now.

4 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I don't think it (Matt A)will happen but what if Allen holds for FGs

 

I think Kyle Allen has some experience holding for FGs, saw a picture of him doing it, but not sure if he has every done it in a game.

 

 

[BuffBillsForLife]

8 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I don't think it (Matt A)will happen but what if Allen holds for FGs

They should do this just so we can see Romo's reaction if they fumble/fake it and Allen scores.

[Starr Almighty]

Just now, BuffBillsForLife said:

They should do this just so we can see Romo's reaction if they fumble/fake it and Allen scores.

I didn't mean Josh I meant Kyle but your way would be hilarious 😂

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Toledo Bill said:

Bass is having enough problems… hope replacement punter is an experienced holder which I don’t think the Punt God is.

Also, for the playoffs do you want a 1st time punter who literally has never kicked in a regular season game?  I would much rather have an experienced kicker who has been there, and has a lot of experience holding.  Would rather sacrifice a few yards if it comes to that for consistency and experience.

[DJB]

1 minute ago, BearNorth said:

I just saw the PFF grades for the Steelers game.  O'Cyrus vs. Chris Jones is a bit scary, suspect we will see a lot of Murray or Lenny helping the O Line.

Lenny was cut unfortunately .

 

And if the Bills are smart we double Jones with Morse and a guard each snap

Edited January 17 by DJB

[Punching Bag]

Just now, stevewin said:

Also, for the playoffs do you want a 1st time punter who literally has never kicked in a regular season game?  I would much rather have an experienced kicker who has been there, and has a lot of experience holding.  Would rather sacrifice a few yards if it comes to that for consistency and experience.

 

Whomever it is he needs to be here fast to work with special teams.

[Blackbeard]

Anyone have any Martin updates?  This is significant 

[poo]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Whomever it is he needs to be here fast to work with special teams.

Araiza did spend a training camp practicing holding kicks for t bass. he got cut after week one of preseason after working with bass for a while. I'd be surprised if he was the choice as the team seems to favor veteran experience. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

32 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Really? I think he looks like an alcoholic.

I mean 36? I was guessing a decade older 

[Bad Things]

28 minutes ago, phypon said:

"was an professional football player".  "An" professional???  "An"?  Hmmm...That was an hysterical use of the Inglesh language.  Article lost me right there.  I'm gong to have a shot now.  Space Ghost...

You may want to go over your own messages and check spellings before criticizing others.

Just saying.

 

(And yes, the "an" drove me nuts too.) 

[YattaOkasan]

37 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Been busy with work all day.  I skimmed a few pages but didn’t see anything concrete.  Except Bernard’s X-rays negative (could be a two week injury) and Spector has a back injury that is basically just pain management 

 

also seems like Douglas and Dodson have decent chances of playing.  

 

Any someone post any updates on Taron, Benford and McGovern?

Taron will have to set a new PR for getting out of CP but he has been quick before 

Benford is a torn meniscus. May just be pain management 

mcgovern went back in the game I think and seems fine?

6 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Anyone have any Martin updates?  This is significant 

He’s out

[without a drought]

Matt Haack was never a favorite of mine, but he does check the boxes of being a veteran,  experience holding (for Bass too) and he just played a game for the Browns in December.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

It is not just pain management for additional hits or moving wrong way could cause more damage causing recovery to take longer or require surgery if it does not need it now.

 

I think Kyle Allen has some experience holding for FGs, saw a picture of him doing it, but not sure if he has every done it in a game.

 

 

Dam!!  Thanks for the update 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

So what are our options for a punter?

 

 

 

We don’t.  

[NewEra]

43 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Taron will have to set a new PR for getting out of CP but he has been quick before 

Benford is a torn meniscus. May just be pain management 

mcgovern went back in the game I think and seems fine?

He’s out

Daaaam, torn miniscus is a pain tolerance thing huh?

 

martin is out?  Oh man.  Afc ST player of the month- toast.  
 

So much luck involved with winning a Sb.  How many starters are the Chiefs missing?  Niners have everyone healthy.  

 

 

 

 

[Charles Romes]

With these way too-long seasons (17 putting it over the critical mass), the Super Bowl winner will be more and more simply the luckiest and least injured team, not the best team.
 

 It’s like in baseball where there is little correlation between the best team and the champion (the champion often having the streaky hot pitcher). 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I’m shocked by this. Seems like he’s been around forever. 

 

Looks like he's been around forever!

[beebe]

Chances of playing this week based on current info. Would you bet over (better chance) or under (worse chance) on the following?

 

LIKELY IN 

 

-Baylon Spector 85% (likely spasms, mostly pain management thing)

 

-Rasul Douglas 75% (putting significant stock in what he told Tim Graham, because he did not practice last week, and McDermott suggested he wasn't closer than Dodson was to play vs Steelers)

 

-Tyrel Dodson 75% (seemed like he was closer to playing last week than Douglas, but always possible mcdermott is being overly vague/non transparent) 

 

TOSS UP 

 

-Sam Martin 50% (seems like a true toss up right now) 

 

-Gabe Davis 50% (seems highly questionable, don't have a lean one way or the other)

 

LIKELY OUT 

 

-Terrel Bernard 15% (seems like a long shot to play despite better-than-expected postgame injury news)

 

-Taron Johnson 25% (multiple concussions in same season, seems unlikely he would clear protocol given short week)

 

-Christian Benford 35% (didn't return to game, seems like possible meniscus per banged up bills, but either way, seems more unlikely than likely)

[phypon]

1 hour ago, Bad Things said:

You may want to go over your own messages and check spellings before criticizing others.

Just saying.

 

(And yes, the "an" drove me nuts too.) 

You may w"o"nt to acquire the ability to discern the difference between a type and a grammatical error.  Just sayin'. F you.  :-)

Just now, phypon said:

You may w"o"nt to acquire the ability to discern the difference between a typo and a grammatical error.  Just sayin'. F you.  :-)

 

[balln]

The whole “concussion protocol” is a bunch of garbage. It’s a nonsense term. Basically anything that’s neurological they lump in. They put stingers in concussion protocol. Hyde twice this year. So let’s just wait and see if Johnson practices. 
 

 

[zow2]

It would be surprising if Taron did not get cleared for a game of this magnitude.  My gosh, Stafford was knocked woozy the other night and his eyes rolled to the back of his head. He was back in the next series as it was a critical point in the game. 

If Taron himself says he can’t play that’s another story. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, without a drought said:

Matt Haack was never a favorite of mine, but he does check the boxes of being a veteran,  experience holding (for Bass too) and he just played a game for the Browns in December.

Dear God not Haack and his 7 yard shanks.

[zow2]

Maybe Bass will do better with a new holder.  Instead of mentally focused on how much he’s sucking on FGs and killing the team , he can focus on getting the holder up to speed and the mechanics.  Just grasping lol.

[JohnNord]

37 minutes ago, beebe said:

Chances of playing this week based on current info. Would you bet over (better chance) or under (worse chance) on the following?

 

LIKELY IN 

 

-Baylon Spector 85% (likely spasms, mostly pain management thing)

 

-Rasul Douglas 75% (putting significant stock in what he told Tim Graham, because he did not practice last week, and McDermott suggested he wasn't closer than Dodson was to play vs Steelers)

 

-Tyrel Dodson 75% (seemed like he was closer to playing last week than Douglas, but always possible mcdermott is being overly vague/non transparent) 

 

TOSS UP 

 

-Sam Martin 50% (seems like a true toss up right now) 

 

-Gabe Davis 50% (seems highly questionable, don't have a lean one way or the other)

 

LIKELY OUT 

 

-Terrel Bernard 15% (seems like a long shot to play despite better-than-expected postgame injury news)

 

-Taron Johnson 25% (multiple concussions in same season, seems unlikely he would clear protocol given short week)

 

-Christian Benford 35% (didn't return to game, seems like possible meniscus per banged up bills, but either way, seems more unlikely than likely)

That banged up Bills guy does a. Good job spotting injuries but he’s wrong a lot of the time when it comes to returns.  In the past month, he said that DaQuan Jones wasn’t going to be activated when he was.  He also predicted that Rasul and Dodson were playing last week.  The week before vs. Miami, he said Waddle and Mostert were going to play.  
 

Nothing against him, but he’s just making educated guess like a lot of us are and missing a lot of important medical information.  Of course he’s a PT, so he has a much more informed take than the average fan but his estimates are still guesses and far from certain.  

[Beck Water]

53 minutes ago, beebe said:

Chances of playing this week based on current info. Would you bet over (better chance) or under (worse chance) on the following?

 

LIKELY IN 

 

-Baylon Spector 85% (likely spasms, mostly pain management thing)

 

-Rasul Douglas 75% (putting significant stock in what he told Tim Graham, because he did not practice last week, and McDermott suggested he wasn't closer than Dodson was to play vs Steelers)

 

-Tyrel Dodson 75% (seemed like he was closer to playing last week than Douglas, but always possible mcdermott is being overly vague/non transparent) 

 

TOSS UP 

 

-Sam Martin 50% (seems like a true toss up right now) 

 

-Gabe Davis 50% (seems highly questionable, don't have a lean one way or the other)

 

LIKELY OUT 

 

-Terrel Bernard 15% (seems like a long shot to play despite better-than-expected postgame injury news)

 

-Taron Johnson 25% (multiple concussions in same season, seems unlikely he would clear protocol given short week)

 

-Christian Benford 35% (didn't return to game, seems like possible meniscus per banged up bills, but either way, seems more unlikely than likely)

 

Where are these "chances" coming from?

 

8 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

That banged up Bills guy does a. Good job spotting injuries but he’s wrong a lot of the time when it comes to returns.  In the past month, he said that DaQuan Jones wasn’t going to be activated when he was.  He also predicted that Rasul and Dodson were playing last week.  The week before vs. Miami, he said Waddle and Mostert were going to play.  
 

Nothing against him, but he’s just making educated guess like a lot of us are and missing a lot of important medical information.  Of course he’s a PT, so he has a much more informed take than the average fan but his estimates are still guesses and far from certain.  

 

Right, basically he can make an educated guess based on the mechanics of the injury, but he lacks the specifics (is it a grade 1 or 2 sprain?  is there a torn meniscus or is it just a sprain? and if it's torn, where and how badly?)

 

3 hours ago, Special K said:

 

I remember earlier in the year, Bernard was rolling around in pain after a leg injury bad enough that it looked like his season was over, then he came back into the game a few series later.

 

Maybe he just has a low pain tolerance when an injury first occurs, and Monday was an example of that.

 

Or maybe the trainers who examine him splinted him and put him on a cart for x-rays because that's what the exam indicated.  "low pain tolerance" my Aunt Fanny.

Edited January 17 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

Taron will have to set a new PR for getting out of CP but he has been quick before 

Benford is a torn meniscus. May just be pain management 

mcgovern went back in the game I think and seems fine?

He’s out

 

Where is this information (Benford having a torn meniscus, Martin being out) coming from?

[BuffaninSarasota]

[scuba guy]

1 minute ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

Sweet 😋 

[Special K]

11 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Or maybe the trainers who examine him splinted him and put him on a cart for x-rays because that's what the exam indicated.  "low pain tolerance" my Aunt Fanny.

 

I was in no way questioning Bernard’s toughness....he’s a tough dude.....but everyone responds to pain differently in the moment....maybe his default reaction is to assume the worst in the moment......there’s nothing wrong with that if that is the case.

[JohnNord]

9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Where is this information (Benford having a torn meniscus, Martin being out) coming from?

It’s all guess work - my guess this was derived from the banged up bills guy which goes back to my original point about him.
 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, scuba guy said:

Sweet 😋 

Put him on Kelsey and blitz kermit.

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

I mean, this would be sweet if true, but I'm pretty sure Rasul Douglas Twitter is @RasulEra and his Insta is @rd32_era.  These accounts are followed by a number of Bills media.

 

So I'm not sure about this rasulxera account.  In the Instagram Insta, it identifies as a "FANPAGE FOR rasul douglas".

 

That's not to say it might not be run by a close friend or relative who has inside info, but at this point of the week, with Douglas DNP all 3 practices last week,  I don't see how it can be said "Rasul has been cleared".  Practing, and how the body reacts to that, is part of the process of giving a guy the thumbs up to play.