NewEra Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: A December collapse is as dolphinsy as it gets though and both teams seem to always lose in primetime lately…something’s gotta give in this one 😂 Yeah it definitely is as dolphiny as it gets. I agree 💯. It’s a thing- ain’t no doubt. we just have to win and forever we were ever in this ridiculous position to begin with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 33 minutes ago, Cvanvol7 said: For this it was almost entirely Claude AI and Bard. Chat GPT seems to have been changed even more to not allow this type of statistical investigation for legal reasons Artificial Intelligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 11 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: If the Steelers win against the Ravens backups, yes it very much does guarantee the Bills miss the playoffs if they don't win in Miami. It very much does not lol. You’re missing the jags piece of it who could be without Lawrence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: It very much does not lol. You’re missing the jags piece of it who could be without Lawrence I already acknowledged this, but again consider the Jags beat the Titans a more probable outcome than the Ravens/Steelers. In fact the Jaguars might be better off right now without Lawrence if he's hurt, at least that was the case last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, jethro_tull said: A loss does not guarantee they will miss the playoffs. The good thing is we will know for sure going into the game Sunday if it’s win and in or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stgm1993 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 40 minutes ago, Gary Marangi said: I would love to stomp the Jags at home revenge game for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 So the Bills are playing arguably the biggest regular season game any team has ever had, huh? That doesn't make me feel great at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Charles Romes said: I was originally angry about the possibility being out of the playoffs with a loss but now I am have warmed up to it. Bills likely need the 2-seed to make a realistic run at the Lombardi this year, and if they don’t get in they get to draft #18, which has been the sweet spot for drafting a #1 wr. Lmao. So, no 2 seed you want no part of it. Wow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 9 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: So the Bills are playing arguably the biggest regular season game any team has ever had, huh? That doesn't make me feel great at all. Only if the Steelers and Jaguars win. It will still be a big game but if one of those team lose then at least the Bills are guaranteed a WC before Sunday night. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Oh the DEN, PHI, NE, NYJ games...2 seed should be a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Who is AL? 1 hour ago, Cvanvol7 said: Artificial Intelligence Maybe the OP should use this AI crap to look up the definition of sarcasm and comedy. You got a laugh from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 First off, I hope (just like everyone else) we beat the brakes off of Miami Sunday night to secure the #2 seed. But, if we do not, then maybe, just maybe, the Steelers do what the Bills did all those years ago and lose to a team's 2nd/3rd string to cost themselves a chance at the Playoffs. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cvanvol7 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, Special K said: Maybe the OP should use this AI crap to look up the definition of sarcasm and comedy. You got a laugh from me. ok? I thought I had misspelled it and they were being the grammar police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 27 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: I already acknowledged this, but again consider the Jags beat the Titans a more probable outcome than the Ravens/Steelers. In fact the Jaguars might be better off right now without Lawrence if he's hurt, at least that was the case last week. Most teams look better against the panthers 😁. If the Steelers and jags are 70% to win which feels like a pretty decent estimate if Baltimore rests starters we’re about 78% to make it overall and 50/50 with a loss to miami. with starters playing all game for Baltimore (very unlikely but you never know) it jumps up to that 95% number you see on all the simulation playoff prediction sites i feel like the starters are gonna play a half in that game so I’ll average those two ravens win probabilities to try to factor that in somehow lol and that gets us to 86% that we make it. I based the win percentages on that ESPN fpi thingy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 We are not losing. Stop stressing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, H2o said: First off, I hope (just like everyone else) we beat the brakes off of Miami Sunday night to secure the #2 seed. But, if we do not, then maybe, just maybe, the Steelers do what the Bills did all those years ago and lose to a team's 2nd/3rd string to cost themselves a chance at the Playoffs. We shall see. If anyone’s backups can win a game it’s baltimores…they’re as seasoned as anybody.. there’s not enough roster space to start a whole team of backups anyway and Huntley has beaten the Steelers starters a few times in recent history too. It wouldn’t be terribly shocking if Baltimore won that game especially considering the Steelers are starting a 2nd/3rd string qb themselves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gary Marangi said: I would love to stomp the Jags at home You mean, like, our actual home? Or the “home” that Roger and the NFL gave us in London? You know, the Jags second home. If we had played that home game in our actual home, we’d probably be sitting with one more win right now. Yes, it matters Roger. . Edited January 2 by Augie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanislebills44 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 at the time i wanted the big crows to dismantle the 40whiners, in hindsight...teams with nothing to play for aint gonna risk big time injuries... any which way, its time for the bills mafia to take over miami n the bills 2 beat the sushi outta flipper...LET GOOOO BUFFALOOO!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, Cvanvol7 said: Doing some AI questioning today because I feel like this fact continues to be mentioned but glossed over. Is this actually right? It looks like it is almost statistically impossible for a team to get into the situation the bills possibly face on Sunday. This terrifies me as it seems incredibly cursed for us to find the team facing this....... This is what AI told me: "After thoroughly reviewing NFL history, I cannot find any examples of a team facing a "win and get the #2 seed, lose and miss the playoffs" scenario in the final week of the regular season. The closest situations I could find are: 2008 Buccaneers: Win and get NFC #4 seed, lose and miss playoffs 2011 Cowboys: Win and get NFC #4 seed, lose and miss playoffs But in both cases the highest seed the teams could get with a win was #4, not #2. Based on my research, it appears no team has ever entered the final week where: A win would clinch the #2 seed in their conference A loss would eliminate them from the playoffs entirely The factors that would have to align to create that specific scenario seem to be too unlikely over the history of the league. So in summary, while teams have faced "win and in, lose and out" situations before, I could not find an instance where the specific seeding at stake was the #2 seed versus missing the playoffs completely. Please let me know if I'm missing any historical examples, but I believe your original assumption is correct - that scenario has likely never occurred in the NFL's regular season finale." Nothing historical. Also, Bills in 1980 entering final week could have been 2 or out of the playoffs, but got 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cvanvol7 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 9 minutes ago, chongli said: Nothing historical. Also, Bills in 1980 entering final week could have been 2 or out of the playoffs, but got 3. I think you are misunderstanding it a bit. All of those team could have been, none of them would have been. We WILL be 2 with a win. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Sorry to upset some folks, but this is as Billsy as it gets. 2 seed or out of the playoffs. All because we lost to some bad bad teams Yup and it’s exactly what fits this 2023 version of the Bills: they totally deserve either the #2 seed or to miss the playoffs entirely. It’s oddly fitting. 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 39 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: If anyone’s backups can win a game it’s baltimores…they’re as seasoned as anybody.. there’s not enough roster space to start a whole team of backups anyway and Huntley has beaten the Steelers starters a few times in recent history too. It wouldn’t be terribly shocking if Baltimore won that game especially considering the Steelers are starting a 2nd/3rd string qb themselves Very true about Baltimore's backups. Their team is clearly on another level than Pittsburgh. On the Steelers QB situation though? Rudolph has looked like the best of the three they have started. He and Pickens also seem to have great chemistry at the moment. In the last two games Pickens has 11 catches for 236yds and 2 TD's. That's 12 yards short of what he had the 5 games prior to combined. All that said, I still expect Baltimore to win an ugly, 17-16 type of game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 39 minutes ago, chongli said: Nothing historical. Also, Bills in 1980 entering final week could have been 2 or out of the playoffs, but got 3. The big thing you're leaving out is that none of those examples occurred when the playoffs had seven teams, which means it's now harder to miss the playoffs than it was back then. Edit: I looked at the whole tweet, I was wrong. But still: most of them happened in the five-or-six-team playoff setup, and here the thing that really makes it different is we don't need ANY help to get the 2 seed if we win. I doubt that was the case with most of these examples. Edited January 2 by BRH 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cvanvol7 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, BRH said: The big thing you're leaving out is that none of those examples occurred when the playoffs had seven teams, which means it's now harder to miss the playoffs than it was back then. Correct most are 4 or 5 team playoffs with less games as well and 4 way ties for the potential of the 2 seed. This is the only clear cut 2 Seed opportunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 hours ago, jethro_tull said: A loss does not guarantee they will miss the playoffs. Not as of right now, but by kickoff this could be the scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 in ‘92 Bills had the 1 seed locked up at 12-4 with a win at the Oilers, but lost and had to play the next week as the 5 hosting the Oilers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 57 minutes ago, Cvanvol7 said: I think you are misunderstanding it a bit. All of those team could have been, none of them would have been. We WILL be 2 with a win. My apologies! Let's do it! Go Bills. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 3 hours ago, Cvanvol7 said: Being the 4 seed or being out happens almost every year. This does not. To be the worst division winner or be out of the playoffs makes a ton of sense, to be the second best team or out is wildly improbable but yet of course the bills find themselves there. I think you are getting wrapped up with the number 2 too much. The 1 seed is apart from the rest 2-4 is just a division win. So 2 and 4 are interchangeable the only reason they are jumping so high is because the other teams have played poorly but just good enough to stay up top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cvanvol7 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 56 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: I think you are getting wrapped up with the number 2 too much. The 1 seed is apart from the rest 2-4 is just a division win. So 2 and 4 are interchangeable the only reason they are jumping so high is because the other teams have played poorly but just good enough to stay up top Not really. The 2 seed is guaranteed two home games with wins. It used to be a bye. They aren’t interchangeable imo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just read some stats on teams that rest their starters - the % that lose in the divisional round are pretty eye-opening. Statistically, it's much better to treat the last game as a normal game. Really hoping the Ravens decide to play their starters, or at least most of them. It would be a nice surprise to head into Sunday knowing that we didn't 100% need to win. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, Cvanvol7 said: I think the way to look at it is - Do you get the Division crown or Miss Playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, McBean said: As a fan, hedge on DraftKings for them to miss. I believe it’s like +650. To make its -900 aka Vegas is very confident we are getting in. *not gambling or financial advice. I’m just an average Joe on this message board speaking my opinion and hoping I see 1 championship before I die.* Fins, Pats, Steelers and Jags got me +1300. It will be a small consolation if they miss out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I am hoping The Ravens can do what The Steelers back ups have done to us, and that is beat The Steelers with their backups in a meaningless game. Remember The Bills being on the receiving end of that? Or when we blew The Dolphins out in the 2020 season in a game that meant nothing for us but everything for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Can we come up with a nickname for if we're eliminated now rather than later? Something like The Two to Poo. We'll be talking about it for decades just like wide right and Music City Miracle so we may as well give it a name now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, Charles Romes said: in ‘92 Bills had the 1 seed locked up at 12-4 with a win at the Oilers, but lost and had to play the next week as the 5 hosting the Oilers. That's the game Jimbo exited due to injury and Frank had to fill in... wow... I haven't thought about that game in a LONG TIME! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 15 minutes ago, Aimee75 said: I am hoping The Ravens can do what The Steelers back ups have done to us, and that is beat The Steelers with their backups in a meaningless game. Remember The Bills being on the receiving end of that? Remember it? I was there. In the same end zone where Nate Clements fumbled a kickoff and Rian Lindell missed a FG. It's the worst game I ever attended in person. I was also there in 1987 when we hosted the Pats in the final game of the season. Winner won the division, loser missed the playoffs. We lost. I will not be at the game this Sunday, don't worry. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tindale Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I’m not convinced the Ravens rest their starters, en masse: 1) if they rest starters, it’s three full weeks before they play a game (this week leading up to the Steeler game, the week leading up to the bye, and then the week leading up to their game at home. I don’t think any coach would feel comfortable with that kind of layoff, especially Harbaugh. Reading some recent quotes, it seems like he feels like he mis-handled 2019 when they came out flat in the playoffs after resting starters at the end of the regular season. 2) The Steelers have had their number, winning 6 of 7. I live in the Mid-Atlantic; the Steeler rivalry is as heated as Miami-Buffalo. They hate each other. I can’t imagine the Raven culture being “cool” with laying down for your hated rival after the Steelers have owned you for three years. I look for the Ravens to play a lot of starters, given even just one of the two points above, but especially because both things are true. That bodes well for us on Saturday. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Steelers have a good chance of beating a Ravens team that has nothing to play for and may sit some starters (anyone having any sort of injury.) Something about the NFL script writers putting that game essentially on in primetime tho…….I think they believe the game will be competitive. Mason Rudolph could implode vs backups that could frustrate the Steelers offense. I don’t see the Ravens scoring much tho. Steelers 20 Ravens 17 - I think it will be close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 hours ago, NewEra said: Sorry to upset some folks, but this is as Billsy as it gets. 2 seed or out of the playoffs. All because we lost to some bad bad teams thats what happens when your billsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 hours ago, JerseyBills said: lets just hope 1 of Pit or Jax loses Agreed. Will be easier on our nerves knowing we're in and just playing for position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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