Donuts and Doritos Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) Passing O. has looked off ever since the Philly game (has actually looked off a lot of the season). Philly game is the last game w/ more than 1 passing TD. What's the problem? (Is it Josh, Brady, the Playmakers or something else)? Here's the player game stats (in order of top catchers on the team this season): Josh Allen: Yds. TD. Int NE. 15/30 169 0 1 LA. 15/21. 237. 1. 1 DAL. 7/15. 94. 1. 0 KC. 23/42. 233. 1. 1 PHIL 29/51. 339. 2. 1 1. Diggs: Yds. TD NE. 4/7. 26. 0 LA. 5/8. 29. 0 DAL. 4/5. 48. 0 KC. 4/11. 24. 0 PHIL 6/11. 74. 1 2. Davis: Yds. TD NE. 2/3. 21. 0 LA. 4/6. 130. 1 DAL. 0/1. 0. 0 KC. 0/2. 0. 0 PHIL 6/12. 105. 1 3. Kincaid: Yds. TD NE. 4/7. 87. 0 LA. 1/2. 7. 0 DAL. 0/2. 0. 0 KC. 5/8. 21. 0 PHIL 5/6. 38. 0 4. Shakir: Yds. TD NE. 4/4. 39. 0 LA. 3/3. 45. 0 DAL. 0/1. 0. 0 KC. 1/1. 12. 0 PHIL 3/5. 47. 0 5. Cook: Yds. TD NE. 1/3. -4. 0 LA. 0/0. 0. 0 DAL. 2/3. 42. 1 KC. 5/5. 83. 1 PHIL 6/7. 57. 0 6. Knox: Yds. TD NE. No stats registered LA. 2/2. 26. 0 DAL. No stats registered KC. 3/3. 36. 0 PHIL Didn't play Harty: 1 catch 25 yds KC game Murray: 1 catch 21 yds KC game 3 catch 18 yds Phil game Sherfield: 1 catch 9 yds KC game (Source: https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills) Edited December 31, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 We came into the season knowing that we didn't have a #2 WR on the roster. Now it turns out we don't have a true #1 either. We have no speed, no YAC ability, below average separation and catch ability from our WR corps. That's why our passing offense has looked so inconsistent, there is zero margin for error. 30 13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) The problem is we never replaced Beasley, Brown and Sanders. Sherfield and Harty. Really? We have Mr. Butt punt and a guy who changed his last name Edited January 1 by Bills!Win! 3 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) I was under the impression from some people on this board, Cover 1, and WGR that Dorsey was responsible for anything wrong with the offense, the economy, the Ukraine, and the Middle East. Edited January 1 by Peter 2 11 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I just posted in another thread Allen and Diggs are close but aren’t clicking 100%. In the last two weeks Allen and Diggs are 1-2 yards short or 1-2 yards long on a few throws that would SIGNIFICANTLY alter their final stat totals. I also think our passing game has suffered with Knox on the field more than Kincaid. Also NFL coaches get paid a ton of money to figure out how to stop the Bills. I think the blueprint is to take away Diggs and hope Allen gets bored taking the easy stuff. And with our skill positions sometimes the “easy stuff” ain’t easy. 4 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 It’s terrible 🤷🏻♂️ 🤦🏻♂️ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: We came into the season knowing that we didn't have a #2 WR on the roster. Now it turns out we don't have a true #1 either. We have no speed, no YAC ability, below average separation and catch ability from our WR corps. That's why our passing offense has looked so inconsistent, there is zero margin for error. Yeah, I get that Diggs is double covered, but he has been shockingly dropping some catches or not coming up with the ones in years past that he was always good for. It has been tossed around that he might be hurt? I don't think NOW is the right time for him to start the cryptic stuff that he is doing right now on SM. He also needs to take some accountability. Really don't want to roll into Miami with him pouting. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I think its Josh. Looks panicky in the pocket. Not going through his progression properly. From my untrained eye. 11 1 1 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Aimee75 said: I get that Diggs is double covered He hasn't been double covered since at least the Chiefs game. He is just plain getting swallowed up against single man coverage. At least when he was getting bracketed it was opening other things up. As of right now nothing is getting opened up because no one can win their basic 1v1 assignment. Edited January 1 by HappyDays 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 13 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said: The problem is we never replaced Beasley, Brown and Sanders. Sherfield and Harty. Really? We have Mr. Butt punt and a guy who changed his last name Why have they regressed so much off last year? It's the same group, even should be somewhat better. Production has really declined with Diggs and and Gabe is very inconsistent. Brady really hasn't been able to get the WR unit going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 We just need weapons- we keep swinging and missing with mediocre players based off salary cap - need to draft talent period - just need to make sure we hit on that talent 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Why have they regressed so much off last year? It's the same group, even should be somewhat better. Production has really declined with Diggs and and Gabe is very inconsistent. Brady really hasn't been able to get the WR unit going. Because Diggs just isn't very good right now. I see a lot of Bills fans are afraid to say it out loud. Everyone sees his production has gone down and is grasping for answers. The simplest answer is the correct one. I'm not sure there are 20 WRs he is out playing right now. It's a massive concern heading into the playoffs. 3 1 3 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 My biggest memories of Sherfield from this season will be of him kind of getting open over the middle for a 15-20 yard gain, but getting kind of interfered w/ and not being able to complete the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 49 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Passing O. has looked off ever since the Philly game (has actually looked off a lot of the season). Philly game is the last game w/ more than 1 passing TD. What's the problem? (Is it Josh, Brady, the Playmakers or something else)? Here's the player game stats (in order of top catchers on the team this season): Josh Allen: Yds. TD. Int NE. 15/30 169 0 1 LA. 15/21. 237. 1. 1 DAL. 7/15. 94. 1. 0 KC. 23/42. 233. 1. 1 PHIL 29/51. 339. 2. 1 1. Diggs: Yds. TD NE. 4/7. 26. 0 LA. 5/8. 29. 0 DAL. 4/5. 48. 0 KC. 4/11. 24. 0 PHIL 6/11. 74. 1 2. Davis: Yds. TD NE. 2/3. 21. 0 LA. 4/6. 130. 1 DAL. 0/1. 0. 0 KC. 0/2. 0. 0 PHIL 6/12. 105. 1 3. Kincaid: Yds. TD NE. 4/7. 87. 0 LA. 1/2. 7. 0 DAL. 0/2. 0. 0 KC. 5/8. 21. 0 PHIL 5/6. 38. 0 4. Shakir: Yds. TD NE. 4/4. 39. 0 LA. 3/3. 45. 0 DAL. 0/1. 0. 0 KC. 1/1. 12. 0 PHIL 3/5. 47. 0 5. Cook: Yds. TD NE. 1/3. -4. 0 LA. 0/0. 0. 0 DAL. 2/3. 42. 1 KC. 5/5. 83. 1 PHIL 6/7. 57. 0 6. Knox: Yds. TD NE. No stats registered LA. 2/2. 26. 0 DAL. No stats registered KC. 3/3. 36. 0 PHIL Didn't play Harty: 1 catch 25 yds KC game Murray: 1 catch 21 yds KC game 3 catch 18 yds Phil game Sherfield: 1 catch 9 yds KC game (Source: https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills) We got some sugar high after Cowboys game and think were some ground and pound team 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Well to be fair answer is easy on two of them 1 rbis patriots defense is actually REALLY GOOD 2 Dallas game we didn’t need to throw we ran all over them. josh was off out west but we never travel out west and win so I’ll take it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) Josh isn’t playing well + offensive skill pieces aren’t playing well + Dorsey’s crappy playbook. Edited January 1 by FireChans 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) The decision for OC is critical. I hope McD isn’t complacent with Brady because he’s the easy choice and actually considers other legit options. When it was time to replace Daboll, we interviewed Dorsey, Hall (I think. Maybe not), and Tee Martin. Not a single person with OC experience was considered that I can recall. It’s probably time for an outsider to come and in shake things up on offense. Edited January 1 by Bangarang 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Diggs looks hurt. His cuts are rounded off, and has little separation. The short passes on the bubble screens are Brady trying to get him an easy one. But that's not really what Diggs does. The rush today, and the quick throw to the left was another example of trying to get him going. The long pass to him over the top today looked like he was running fast, but not sprinting. I think he's got a lingering injury where he can go, but can't cut like he could in the early part of the year. 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 minutes ago, Aimee75 said: Yeah, I get that Diggs is double covered, but he has been shockingly dropping some catches or not coming up with the ones in years past that he was always good for. It has been tossed around that he might be hurt? I don't think NOW is the right time for him to start the cryptic stuff that he is doing right now on SM. He also needs to take some accountability. Really don't want to roll into Miami with him pouting. Uh-oh, what’s Diggs posting now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 1 minute ago, Drew21PA said: josh was off out west but we never travel out west and win so I’ll take it Remember the season opener against the Rams last year? He was off today back east .. Edited January 1 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 They showed it on the telecast today we are running it effectively since week 11 - changes the targets and the nunbers josh had some terrible wr drops today so this game was closer than it should have been LOTS of drops idk what was going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 14 minutes ago, Chugga said: I just posted in another thread Allen and Diggs are close but aren’t clicking 100%. In the last two weeks Allen and Diggs are 1-2 yards short or 1-2 yards long on a few throws that would SIGNIFICANTLY alter their final stat totals. I also think our passing game has suffered with Knox on the field more than Kincaid. Also NFL coaches get paid a ton of money to figure out how to stop the Bills. I think the blueprint is to take away Diggs and hope Allen gets bored taking the easy stuff. And with our skill positions sometimes the “easy stuff” ain’t easy. I mean, it's why I said Dorsey was a bad fit. His temperament was too much in the same vein of he wants to win with deep passes. This offense finds stuff that works then you'll see 3 deep passes. There was a 3rd and 7 today.. it didn't look like Josh ever looked less than 15 yards downfield. I'd also love to see the players whomever is catching the ball be brought together in the offseason for extra work. I recall a quote from Josh's QB coach that first year where he went off about why Josh did it and maybe some other guys (Darnold who had the same QB coach and was working out with Josh).. he said that some guys do it and get it right then keep doing it 100 more times and do it every day after that then some get it right and think they've got it and move on.. This team needs to a few hundred more reps in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Diggs is shot. It's obvious you can cover him man to man and he doesn't separate anymore. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 We might be the only team that doesn’t have a RB screen in our tool box. Teams are blitzing Allen up the middle and an effective screen would quickly neutralize that. Teams are also spying on Allen preventing the run and yet it seems our WR’s/TE’s rarely beat their man. We seldom run crossing routes or even roll Josh out to put added pressure on the D. In a nutshell, I don’t know what our offensive identity is any longer. Do they not have play designs to get Diggs open. The quick passing game is missed and it seems we are back to long developing plays rather than taking the easy stuff to open it up for deeper throws. Sherfield and Harty have been bad misses in FA. We have no speed deep threat. Josh is showing some bad tendencies recently by throwing on the run across his body to the other side of the field. Those throws have been coming up short resulting in TO’s. They better figure it out next week against the Dolphins. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Remember the season opener against the Rams last year? He was off today back east .. Come back to me with their record playing the chargers out west thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Diggs is shot. It's obvious you can cover him man to man and he doesn't separate anymore. That’s a bit of a shame … because he is here another year at least on big dollars 1 minute ago, Drew21PA said: Come back to me with their record playing the chargers out west thank you He is 1-0 against the Chargers out West Your welcome Edited January 1 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 No WR are getting separated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 5 dropped passes today. That's bad. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, BlazinBill said: We just need weapons- we keep swinging and missing with mediocre players based off salary cap - need to draft talent period - just need to make sure we hit on that talent Watching Pickens in the Pittsburgh/Sea game was eye opening. I mean damn, what's it like having receivers with sticky hands that come up with the most outrageous catches? I feel like it's a world we do not understand. Beane needs to stop being so stubborn and getting bargain bin receivers. 7 minutes ago, BlazinBill said: We just need weapons- we keep swinging and missing with mediocre players based off salary cap - need to draft talent period - just need to make sure we hit on that talent Watching Pickens in the Pittsburgh/Sea game was eye opening. I mean damn, what's it like having receivers with sticky hands that come up with the most outrageous catches? I feel like it's a world we do not understand. Beane needs to stop being so stubborn and getting bargain bin receivers. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: Do they not have play designs to get Diggs open. We've never had play designs to get Diggs open. He has done that himself with elite route running. This year he simply doesn't have it. Every passing offense needs someone you can rely on when other things aren't working. We don't have anybody to rely on consistently right now. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 20 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He hasn't been double covered since at least the Chiefs game. He is just plain getting swallowed up against single man coverage. At least when he was getting bracketed it was opening other things up. As of right now nothing is getting opened up because no one can win their basic 1v1 assignment. I would add that on Allen’s deep throwing, he has reverted to line drive bombs that have to be perfectly placed because receivers have NO time to adjust. He is not putting the air under it that he did last season, when he solved his bomb problem. Diggs has been wide open on 3 deep passes in the last couple of weeks but Allen is throwing bullets that have no chance of being caught unless they are perfectly placed — which is damn hard to do on 65-air yard passes. Edited January 1 by dave mcbride 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Uh-oh, what’s Diggs posting now? Cryptic IG story. I might not have thought too much about it if he didn't look so pissed in the Bills "big dubs" post. I do like that he doesn't tolerate losing or even playing bad, but if you get the win, it helps, and going into a massive game next week, we don't need drama. I just feel like this season he has been teetering on boiling over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Two things imo Diggs is either aging before our eyes or carrying an injury and like it or not we miss Dorsey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 9 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: They showed it on the telecast today we are running it effectively since week 11 - changes the targets and the nunbers josh had some terrible wr drops today so this game was closer than it should have been LOTS of drops idk what was going on That Murray one stands out - soft pass, right on the hands, would have been a 1st down at mid-field. They scored after that. Had we kept going that drive & gotten even a FG - it's a whole different game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 35 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said: The problem is we never replaced Beasley, Brown and Sanders. Sherfield and Harty. Really? We have Mr. Butt punt and a guy who changed his last name Yeah, there were a lot of fans lauding those two signings. I wasn’t one of them, but I deferred to those who might know more. Guess I shouldn’t have deferred. Woof to both of them 💩 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 13 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said: Diggs looks hurt. His cuts are rounded off, and has little separation. The short passes on the bubble screens are Brady trying to get him an easy one. But that's not really what Diggs does. The rush today, and the quick throw to the left was another example of trying to get him going. The long pass to him over the top today looked like he was running fast, but not sprinting. I think he's got a lingering injury where he can go, but can't cut like he could in the early part of the year. I believe he is playing with a semi-significant injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I would add that on Allen’s deep throwing, he has reverted to line drive bombs that have to be perfectly placed because receivers have NO time to adjust. He is not putting the air under it that he did last season, when he solved his bomb problem. Diggs has been wide open on 3 deep passes in the last couple of weeks but Allen is throwing bullets that have no chance of being caught unless they are perfectly placed — which is damn hard to do on 65-air yard passes. Yeah something is going on with his deep passes to Diggs specifically. He hit two to Davis last week and one to Kincaid today. Diggs I think it was the Jaguars in London the last time they connected on a deep pass. Their timing on the whole has been off for a couple months now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Josh throws the lowest trajectory, fastest passes in the nfl. I don’t know if this is because he has to (because no one is open) or because it’s all he can do. either way, it’s what it is at this point and the passing offense is going to be streaky until things change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Aurelius Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Good comments here. Greg Cosell and Joe Marino have also been banging this drum on the ineffectiveness of the Bills passing game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I think it starts with Stefon Diggs. Either he is: - Injured and doing a great job of keeping it quiet - Upset Sean McDermott wasn't the one fired and now giving half-effort - Hit the age wall right around his 30th birthday Not sure the answer, but the guy has been a complete no-show for almost 2 months now. And I'm quickly losing faith he can get it back this season. He's not getting open. He's dropping tons of passes. And the only stats he's really putting up are when we force-feed him screen passes. It's absolutely pathetic. Without Diggs, we have a rookie Tight End (only going to do so much damage) and the Drop Squad. The only WR worth bringing back next season is Khalil Shakir. Everyone else can hit the road. Totally worthless. You can only blame Josh Allen so much for the terrible O-Line blocking/protection this afternoon. And multiple drives were killed by ridiculous drops. But the boneheaded turnovers have gotten out of control. All the people who defended him this week and pushed for MVP consideration were dead-wrong. The guy absolutely has a decision-making problem. The deep throw into double-coverage was stupid. And the almost-fumble on the 4th quarter scramble was horrific and easily could have cost us the game. I'm still not sold on Joe Brady either. It takes time for defenses to catch-on to your tendencies, and now opponents are keying onto James Cook. Good offensive coordinators adapt. Ken Dorsey started hot, got figured out about mid-season last year, and never figured it out afterwards. We've now had two straight awful games on offense, and I'm still not seeing a pivot from the booth. If we can't put-up 30-35+ next week (at least), you can probably kiss the playoffs goodbye. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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