Bills @ Chiefs Postgame Thread

[Scott7975]

15 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

You should learn what the word grabbing means.  That wasn’t a grab.

 

Either way you can't hit a QB in the head.  That includes the front too, not just the back and sides.

3 hours ago, 97bills said:

They were running  the same defense in 13 seconds.. 

 

They were not

[Big Turk]

22 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm not sure if you know this but the defensive player isn't allowed to grab the face mask.  Did you know?

This would have given us 1st and 10, around the 10 yard line.  But since grabbing the face mask isn't a penalty, no reason for me to bring this up.

 

 

 

Love how you see one of the Chiefs cheerleaders come around the corner and she looks terrified and wants to get out of there ASAP! 😂

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

22 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The refs were on the Bills’ side so let’s all have a big laugh about it.  No favoritism on this site.. none at all.  There are multiple pics of players lining up offside this past week and there was no flag.  This was a tainted win.  It’s all laughs until the Bills are on the other side of this sort of thing.  Then all the crying starts.  You guys cry and cry about rigged this, rigged that yet you’ll take every bad call and laugh about it as long as it’s in your favor.  What a shock!  Lol

How is it tainted when even if that play stood we could’ve won the game 😂

 

he was wayy Offside dude.  Idk if the unofficial blue line representing the LOS fooled you but these other ‘examples’ of players lined up Offside weren’t nearly as bad. Also, a wr lined up in the slot on the hash mark is going to get wayyy less leeway to begin with.  Not to mention that play was an obvious opi which is what the bills thought the flag was for when it was thrown.  
 

They missed plenty of calls the bills way…the Kincaid holding play was obvious and uncalled, josh took a bunch of hits to the head, diggs got mugged all night 

 

giants win id say you can call tainted but not this one 

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[KeLLy1278]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

How is it tainted when even if that play stood we could’ve won the game 😂

 

he was wayy Offside dude.  Idk if the unofficial blue line representing the LOS fooled you but these other ‘examples’ of players lined up Offside weren’t nearly as bad. Also, a wr lined up in the slot on the hash mark is going to get wayyy less leeway to begin with.  Not to mention that play was an obvious opi which is what the bills thought the flag was for when it was thrown.  
 

They missed plenty of calls the bills way…the Kincaid holding play was obvious and uncalled, josh took a bunch of hits to the head, diggs got mugged all night 

 

giants win id say you can call tainted but not this one 

 

The crying about officiating here is like a religion.  It went in the Bills favor so it’s all right.  If it went the other way this entire site would be filled with “rigged, bills vs Other team & refs, NFL is scripted” and on and on.  But as of this moment, the NFL isn’t rigged because the Bills benefited from a bad call.  Some fans watch the NFL just to complain about calls and to boast about how the league is rigged.  Yet they watch every game like it’s their job.  Try figuring that one out. 

[KellysHandWarmer]

6 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The crying about officiating here is like a religion.  It went in the Bills favor so it’s all right.  If it went the other way this entire site would be filled with “rigged, bills vs Other team & refs, NFL is scripted” and on and on.  But as of this moment, the NFL isn’t rigged because the Bills benefited from a bad call.  Some fans watch the NFL just to complain about calls and to boast about how the league is rigged.  Yet they watch every game like it’s their job.  Try figuring that one out. 

Even Mahomes and Reid weren't arguing that the call itself was bad—they were griping that it was made at a critical point in the game, wiping out a big play. By the rules this was clearly the right call. Has any expert seriously argued otherwise?

[KeLLy1278]

7 minutes ago, KellysHandWarmer said:

Even Mahomes and Reid weren't arguing that the call itself was bad—they were griping that it was made at a critical point in the game, wiping out a big play. By the rules this was clearly the right call. Has any expert seriously argued otherwise?

Do you have any idea what would happen on this site if the Bills made a play like that, got flagged on it, play called back and they lost the game?  Be real.. the pitchforks would be out in full force along with the “ITS RIGGED!” signs.  I get it.. everything is perfectly fine as long as the Bills benefit from bad calls.  

[Boatdrinks]

12 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Do you have any idea what would happen on this site if the Bills made a play like that, got flagged on it, play called back and they lost the game?  Be real.. the pitchforks would be out in full force along with the “ITS RIGGED!” signs.  I get it.. everything is perfectly fine as long as the Bills benefit from bad calls.  

Eh , no. Now, the mob would be out in full force calling for the offending player to be cut immediately etc. The coaching staff would also be skewered for allowing the players to be undisciplined- heck there would be calls for the GM to be fired. Uncalled penalties would also be a topic, but the penalty itself is plain as day. He may as well have been lined up alongside Miller. Easy call, and the great Mahomes had 3 more tries after the penalty to get a first down. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

42 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The crying about officiating here is like a religion.  It went in the Bills favor so it’s all right.  If it went the other way this entire site would be filled with “rigged, bills vs Other team & refs, NFL is scripted” and on and on.  But as of this moment, the NFL isn’t rigged because the Bills benefited from a bad call.  Some fans watch the NFL just to complain about calls and to boast about how the league is rigged.  Yet they watch every game like it’s their job.  Try figuring that one out. 

I doubt it…idk why you and Patrick mahomes are conflating ‘obvious penalties’ and ‘ticky tacky judgement calls’. Did anyone blame the refs for calling the 12 men on the broncos game winning fg?  Because that’s how laughably obvious that Offside was 

and the flag is thrown before they know the result of the play…if that was an incomplete pass no one would’ve argued the offside its just because the result was cool which shouldn’t matter at all

 

Apply your role reversal game to the chiefs and let’s say we won on that play with a player comically offside.  They absolutely would be up in arms if it wasn’t called because it was about as obvious as a penalty can get 

 

fanbases get mad when a judgement 50/50 type call doesn’t go their way and it decides a game…what happened Sunday night was not that at all 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[DrDawkinstein]

Yall are really feeding this one still, huh?

[Punching Bag]

On 12/11/2023 at 3:06 PM, Logic said:

Forget to say in my post, and I'm sure it's a sentiment echoed by most of the posters here...

The post-game behavior by Mahomes at midfield and the post-game comments by both he and Reid were super bush league. Made them both look like crybaby chumps. They're not even wrong that the refs in the NFL are a serious problem this year. But choosing THIS moment -- when the player actually DID commit a penalty, and an egregiously obvious one at that -- to kvetch about it was a bad look. The Chiefs are quite often the beneficiaries of over-officiousness. The ONE time it bites them in a big moment -- and again, that penalty arguably SHOULD have been called, and it WAS egregious -- they complain the way they did?

And for Mahomes to show the lack of sportsmanship he did in the post-game handshake, when Josh is always so gracious even after crushing losses. Just a bad, pathetic look by him. And thankfully, the NFL media world at large mostly seems to agree. Have seen quite a few voices from all over the spectrum echoing the sentiment that Mahomes and Reid looked like babies for the way they behaved. Personally, I lost a lot of respect for Mahomes last night.

 

And then after game Mahomes apologized to Josh making sure press knows about it after being told to do so by agent.

On 12/11/2023 at 3:13 PM, Warcodered said:

Especially with Toney committing two penalties the Offside and a pick that got Kelce wide open, would have been aggravating as hell.

 

 

 

Love the expression on Pegula's face.  

[Punching Bag]

On 12/11/2023 at 4:20 PM, zow2 said:

Cam Lewis had the presence of mind to slow down and jump up trying to block/deflect the lateral, but amazingly the ball eluded him.  Had he deflected it, the football would have been a fumble and the Bills could have pounced on it.  That play was great but not without some risk there.

 

Except it would not have been a fumble since a flag was thrown at the snap.

On 12/11/2023 at 8:11 PM, chongli said:

 

 

 

The good thing about rewatching the game on NFL Network is no Mahones / Reid commercials. 

[Punching Bag]

13 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

Winner was Levis, which I kind of liked the spirit of it like he certainly had the will if not the actual result. Probably should have been the Allen and the herd but I get it he's already got 4.

Should Bills fans whine about it like the Chiefs HC and QB?

[KeLLy1278]

On 12/12/2023 at 8:12 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

His face mask was pulled down, it is clear as day.  It should have been a face mask or illegal use of hands to the face.  Are you seriously saying that is not a penalty?

 

You cannot touch the QB's head at all.  

Clear as day because you’re a Bills fan.  I know.. he did everything but tackle him to the ground and stomp him in the groin.

[NewEra]

On 12/12/2023 at 9:04 AM, KeLLy1278 said:

You should learn what the word grabbing means.  That wasn’t a grab.

No it wasn’t a grab, but it was a penalty by rule.  How does the wordingchange anything?  It doesn’t.  
 

Listen bub, we’ve lost several game over the years thanks to terrible calls.  We’ve won some too.  That’s football.  That’s sports.  That’s life.  Cheer up.  Or don’t. No one cares how sad you are every day. 

 

16 hours ago, syhuang said:

 

let him go ???

 

Thanks.  Was looking for the all 22 on the play.  Anyone have a video they can post?  Or does it have to be screen shots?  Seemed like toney ran right into Benford based on your pics

2 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The crying about officiating here is like a religion.  It went in the Bills favor so it’s all right.  If it went the other way this entire site would be filled with “rigged, bills vs Other team & refs, NFL is scripted” and on and on.  But as of this moment, the NFL isn’t rigged because the Bills benefited from a bad call.  Some fans watch the NFL just to complain about calls and to boast about how the league is rigged.  Yet they watch every game like it’s their job.  Try figuring that one out. 

So you’re crying about what exactly?  That sports fan complain about the refs when calls go against them?  Not sure how I never noticed you before.  I’ll be sure to read your posts in the future.  You’re fun.  Thanks

10 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Clear as day because you’re a Bills fan.  I know.. he did everything but tackle him to the ground and stomp him in the groin.

You don’t think his hand to the face was clear as day?  If not, this also explains a lot

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Clear as day because you’re a Bills fan.  I know.. he did everything but tackle him to the ground and stomp him in the groin.

 

Drama Queen much?

 

Its clear as day to anyone without a stubborn mind.  Unless you're next going to argue Allen has tourette's and jerks his head down all the time.

 

If it's grabbed, it's a face mask.  If it's not grabbed, it's illegal use of hands to the face.  You cannot put your hands on a QB's face mask and change the direction of the helmet. 

 

Regardless, it should have been the Bills ball and the Toney play would have never happened.  We should have been 1st and 10 inside the 25 or 15.

 

How are you arguing it's not a penalty?

 

[Tenhigh]

23 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Clear as day because you’re a Bills fan.  I know.. he did everything but tackle him to the ground and stomp him in the groin.

Where did you guys find this guy?  He is a riot!!!

 

 

[syhuang]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Thanks.  Was looking for the all 22 on the play.  Anyone have a video they can post?  Or does it have to be screen shots?  Seemed like toney ran right into Benford based on your pics
 

 

Here is the all 22 of this play:

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The crying about officiating here is like a religion.  It went in the Bills favor so it’s all right.  If it went the other way this entire site would be filled with “rigged, bills vs Other team & refs, NFL is scripted” and on and on.  But as of this moment, the NFL isn’t rigged because the Bills benefited from a bad call.  Some fans watch the NFL just to complain about calls and to boast about how the league is rigged.  Yet they watch every game like it’s their job.  Try figuring that one out. 

 

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

Here is the all 22 of this play:

 

 

Yep not really all that subtle and you know what the head start looked like it helped.

[KingBoots8]

13 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

Here is the all 22 of this play:

 

 

Not that there was any real argument, but  case closed. Cry more KC.

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Do you have any idea what would happen on this site if the Bills made a play like that, got flagged on it, play called back and they lost the game?  

 

Isn't that just the final play of every single Bills season?

[Ralonzo]

16 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

Here is the all 22 of this play:

 

 

 

I want that pick pointed out for future ref influence far more than the blatant offside. That wasn't even close to an incidental rub; Toney runs right at Benford hitting him forcefully, popping him back, allowing Kelce to come completely clean. OPI is the main element of the KC route trees.

 

And as everyone has pointed out, Taylor being fully behind the center's rearmost sphincter is also an illegal formation.

[BRH]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Eh , no. Now, the mob would be out in full force calling for the offending player to be cut immediately etc. The coaching staff would also be skewered for allowing the players to be undisciplined- heck there would be calls for the GM to be fired. Uncalled penalties would also be a topic, but the penalty itself is plain as day. He may as well have been lined up alongside Miller. Easy call, and the great Mahomes had 3 more tries after the penalty to get a first down. 

 

Exactly.  How many people on here were saying that the 12 men shouldn't have been called in the Denver game?  They were all over McD's and the ST coach's asses on that one, and rightfully so.  NOBODY said it shouldn't have been called.  It's exactly the same thing.  It's an obvious foul, play continues, and the non-offending team gets to pick whether it wants the penalty yardage or the result of the play.

 

I don't know what that guy is going on about.  Maybe he should stick to hockey.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, syhuang said:

 

Here is the all 22 of this play:

 

 

 

Even though it's clearly a pick, it isn't OPI. The WR just has to sell the route to avoid the penalty. The Bills have had many identical plays this season. Murrary got called on one against the Pats because he didn't act like he was running a route.

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Do you have any idea what would happen on this site if the Bills made a play like that, got flagged on it, play called back and they lost the game?  Be real.. the pitchforks would be out in full force along with the “ITS RIGGED!” signs.  I get it.. everything is perfectly fine as long as the Bills benefit from bad calls.  

 

Not on that play it wouldn't.  There is no grey area or judgement on that penalty.  Its as clear as it gets.  Dude was Offside.  Deal with it.  You seem awefully upset we won.  That penalty there is no judgement.  You seem to be the only one outside of chiefs fans that cant seem to understand it.

[FLFan]

6 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The crying about officiating here is like a religion.  It went in the Bills favor so it’s all right.  If it went the other way this entire site would be filled with “rigged, bills vs Other team & refs, NFL is scripted” and on and on.  But as of this moment, the NFL isn’t rigged because the Bills benefited from a bad call.  Some fans watch the NFL just to complain about calls and to boast about how the league is rigged.  Yet they watch every game like it’s their job.  Try figuring that one out. 

Clueless.  It was not a bad call, start there.

[Dr. Who]

32 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Clueless.  It was not a bad call, start there.

He's a total troll. Don't reply, just ignore.

[strive_for_five_guy]

7 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

The crying about officiating here is like a religion.  It went in the Bills favor so it’s all right.  If it went the other way this entire site would be filled with “rigged, bills vs Other team & refs, NFL is scripted” and on and on.  But as of this moment, the NFL isn’t rigged because the Bills benefited from a bad call.  Some fans watch the NFL just to complain about calls and to boast about how the league is rigged.  Yet they watch every game like it’s their job.  Try figuring that one out. 

Do people still pay to watch WWE and get upset, even though they know it’s scripted?  Maybe this year’s script is for the Bills to make an improbable run and win it all in Vegas?

[jkeerie]

9 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Do you have any idea what would happen on this site if the Bills made a play like that, got flagged on it, play called back and they lost the game?  Be real.. the pitchforks would be out in full force along with the “ITS RIGGED!” signs.  I get it.. everything is perfectly fine as long as the Bills benefit from bad calls.  

Are you kidding me????  This board would have been po'd at the player and then called for the HC's firing at how a player could be so indisciplined.  It's just like the 12 men on the field.  The Bills were guilty as charged.  You look to the team as to who's responsible.

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Not on that play it wouldn't.  There is no grey area or judgement on that penalty.  Its as clear as it gets.  Dude was Offside.  Deal with it.  You seem awefully upset we won.  That penalty there is no judgement.  You seem to be the only one outside of chiefs fans that cant seem to understand it.

Unless he's a Chiefs fan.

[QLBillsFan]

Omg the Chiefs claiming Von Offside after the ball was snapped is beyond comical. Meanwhile they benefited from the very ticky tak call to win the SB. Patty boy with an embarrassing and ridiculous rant. The most privileged qb since Brady. Meanwhile the Bills had 1:13 and two timeouts. JA will remember the disrespect from the KC little *****… 

Edited December 14, 2023 by QLBillsFan

[Scott7975]

Chiefs hold, shocking.  Ref pulls out flag about to throw it then decides to put it back in his pocket... also not shocking.

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Not on that play it wouldn't.  There is no grey area or judgement on that penalty.  Its as clear as it gets.  Dude was Offside.  Deal with it.  You seem awefully upset we won.  That penalty there is no judgement.  You seem to be the only one outside of chiefs fans that cant seem to understand it.

 

It's not necessarily a "no-judgement" call, and they can and do warn coaches, but if there is a drop-dead must-call line it's when you look down the line and see the receiver's helmet in front of the center's. That's just too far to ignore.

[Simon]

12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Chiefs hold, shocking.  Ref pulls out flag about to throw it then decides to put it back in his pocket... also not shocking.

 

I remember loving the play he made despite the hold but I didn't catch the white hat grabbing his flag. 

Probably put it away because it would have been declined anyways.

I bet if Dodson doesn't get him on the ground, he throws it.

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I remember loving the play he made despite the hold but I didn't catch the white hat grabbing his flag. 

Probably put it away because it would have been declined anyways.

I bet if Dodson doesn't get him on the ground, he throws it.

 

That's probably what happened but it still isn't right IMO.  This is just more inconsistencies.  A penalty is a penalty.  Not throwing the flag there tells the lineman it's ok to do it.  Then the lineman gets called later and is like WTF?  Also the choice should be for the coach to make, not the ref.  I think they lost 4 yards on the play. Not necessarily a decline.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Scott7975

[Beck Water]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Even though it's clearly a pick, it isn't OPI. The WR just has to sell the route to avoid the penalty. The Bills have had many identical plays this season. Murrary got called on one against the Pats because he didn't act like he was running a route.

 

I think it's pretty clearly OPI because Toney actually turns and slams his BACK into Benford.  He gets up to Lewis and Benford and his apparent desire to run a route or to show his #s to Mahomes evaporates.

 

I posted some pics in the X's and O's thread, of course don't show what a moving picture does, but as a sales job it was entirely unpersuasive.

 

And also moot, since there was already a flag thrown at the snap.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's pretty clearly OPI because Toney actually turns and slams his BACK into Benford.  He gets up to Lewis and Benford and his apparent desire to run a route or to show his #s to Mahomes evaporates.

 

I posted some pics in the X's and O's thread, of course don't show what a moving picture does, but as a sales job it was entirely unpersuasive.

 

And also moot, since there was already a flag thrown at the snap.

 

Based off what I seen in the game with these refs... for all we know they coulda called the OPI and just didn't because they knew they called the Offside lol.  Look at the play I posted above showing a different play where the refs was literally in throwing motion with the flag and then tucks it back in his pocket instead.

 

Hell, now I am wondering how many times in each game have refs based their call on the result of a play.  Now it seems scripted.  Im not going full tin foil hat but this isn't a good look.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Scott7975

[Warcodered]

 

[Bills!Win!]

I love when post game threads go until Friday 

[Nextmanup]

On 12/13/2023 at 10:09 PM, Scott7975 said:

Chiefs hold, shocking.  Ref pulls out flag about to throw it then decides to put it back in his pocket... also not shocking.

That's actually really interesting.  The ref didn't slightly go for the flag....he made a very fast and violent move to yank that thing out of his belt and throw it 10 yards....and then all of a sudden said "nope, better not."  Why?

 

My guess is he realized the tackle was being made for a loss ANYWAY, so the penalty did not impede a defender from making his play...therefore....just let it go.

 

That should NOT be the rationale, but that's my guess as to the ref's thought pattern.

 

That's just horrible.  Though we don't know what he's looking at or thinking, TBH.

 

 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

That's actually really interesting.  The ref didn't slightly go for the flag....he made a very fast and violent move to yank that thing out of his belt and throw it 10 yards....and then all of a sudden said "nope, better not."  Why?

 

My guess is he realized the tackle was being made for a loss ANYWAY, so the penalty did not impede a defender from making his play...therefore....just let it go.

 

That should NOT be the rationale, but that's my guess as to the ref's thought pattern.

 

That's just horrible.  Though we don't know what he's looking at or thinking, TBH.

 

 

 

Exactly.  If he actually is putting it back away just because the result on the play, thats horseshit and how many more times does this happen in every game every week.  Need all-22 for just the refs soon.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Scott7975