Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Levi Wallace isn’t a starter either.  Joey Porter Jr took his spot.

So far this year he's only started 3 fewer games than last year, had 2 fewer INTs and 3 fewer PDs than last year and their are still games left, also those numbers other than starting are either equal or better than his numbers here.

[Scott7975]

Heres a little excerpt about clown Rex Ryan

 

It bears repeating. This brand of coaching was understandable at first.

The Rex Ryan stories are legendary for all the wrong reasons. As one goes, coaches hollered for a player to enter a game on the sideline… only there was one problem. The player was up in a suite because the coaches forgot to tell him to dress. “The f--ker had to run down and put his ***** on and go play,” said one ex-Bill, dying in laughter. “Rex was retired on the job. Those guys were drinking beer by 4 p.m. every day during training camp and just partying. It was a ***** show.” The moment that broke that Bills team was when Rex and a batch of his assistants rented a bus to attend a World Series game in Cleveland three hours away during a game week.

This isn’t a culture of fear to Mike Zimmer proportions. Players actually do have complimentary things to say about McDermott and even the coaches who felt his wrath weren’t necessarily afraid of him.

Rather, it’s a dreary work environment.

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

If it was reported on right after it happened I would have no issue with it. But to go through the effort of reaching out to 25 different "sources'" to dig up stories from years ago and write a full article about it is a personal attack and pathetic, attention seeking behavior.

to write about the existing culture challenges over the last couple years is an incredibly fair topic. There’s been a lot of strange stuff that has gone not meaningfully addressed, and obviously fans would be curious 

[balln]

Again. It just shows McD is not intelligent . Or at least not sharp. You Just can’t have that in today’s nfl if you’re going to win a Super Bowl. I feel bad for him now. It’s obvious. It’s a behind the scenes confirmation of his game day blunders 

[Warcodered]

Just now, Simon said:

 

If they were playing for something external, like a coach, it would have fallen apart well before now, imo.

I think they'll continue scrapping and grinding just as hard as they have been as long as the playoffs are a possibility.

After that, all bets are off.

This is a pretty good point, with the picture being painted by that article if this it was really all true and the team gave a ***** about it they'd have collapsed already, it's not like they wouldn't already know what McDermott is like better than Dunne.

[Process]

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

It is weird to me that this article confirms every McD conspiracy theories as true .

 

13 seconds.

Offense sucking with Dorsey.

Dabs leaving.

ext

 

Yet guys still signed extensions. Yet he has still been able to hire really good coaching staffs. 

 

I still feel like this is a reporter with an axe to grind as someone pointed out. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

This is a pretty good point, with the picture being painted by that article if this it was really all true and the team gave a ***** about it they'd have collapsed already, it's not like they wouldn't already know what McDermott is like better than Dunne.

 

It proves what it has looked like; our talent has been winning in spite of our coaching.

 

Imagine what this team could look like if we had a coach who was a multiplier instead of a diminisher.

[Low Positive]

7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Heres a little excerpt about clown Rex Ryan

 

It bears repeating. This brand of coaching was understandable at first.

The Rex Ryan stories are legendary for all the wrong reasons. As one goes, coaches hollered for a player to enter a game on the sideline… only there was one problem. The player was up in a suite because the coaches forgot to tell him to dress. “The f--ker had to run down and put his ***** on and go play,” said one ex-Bill, dying in laughter. “Rex was retired on the job. Those guys were drinking beer by 4 p.m. every day during training camp and just partying. It was a ***** show.” The moment that broke that Bills team was when Rex and a batch of his assistants rented a bus to attend a World Series game in Cleveland three hours away during a game week.

This isn’t a culture of fear to Mike Zimmer proportions. Players actually do have complimentary things to say about McDermott and even the coaches who felt his wrath weren’t necessarily afraid of him.

Rather, it’s a dreary work environment.

Jerry Hughes.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

 

Boom. 
 

If we are moving on from McD, it shouldn’t be because of some stupid article digging up crap for 4 years ago to blow out of proportion. 

[SinceThe70s]

8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

We play there every season. That reception will be ugly 

 

For sure - assuming McD is still around - due to this or football reasons.

[thenorthremembers]

 

6 minutes ago, Process said:

 

It should have stayed in house, thats the embarrassing part .  Regardless of the article McDermott has five weeks to set this thing straight.   If the Bills miss the playoffs its time for him to go.   As much as I appreciate what he's done for the organization its important for the Pegula's not to drag their feet on this.   The only thing the article does is make the move easier to digest.  That said, I am hoping Sean gets the team through this and into the playoffs.    He's earned that much.

Edited December 8, 2023 by thenorthremembers

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Boom. 
 

If we are moving on from McD, it shouldn’t be because of some stupid article digging up crap for 4 years ago to blow out of proportion. 

Tim is embarrassing himself. He should probably stop talking. He’s doing damage control for the organization at this point.

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Boom. 
 

If we are moving on from McD, it shouldn’t be because of some stupid article digging up crap for 4 years ago to blow out of proportion. 

Another way of interpretating Graham's comments is that this is now an embarrassement for the entire organization, who apparently was ok with all of that. 

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

It is weird to me that this article confirms every McD conspiracy theories as true .

 

13 seconds.

Offense sucking with Dorsey.

Dabs leaving.

ext

 

Yet guys still signed extensions. Yet he has still been able to hire really good coaching staffs. 

 

I still feel like this is a reporter with an axe to grind as someone pointed out. 

I didn’t read the article cause the paywall.

 

You said offence sucking with Dorsey.

 

Meaning McDermott had some say in the offence?

[BuffaloRebound]

Zero respect for people who trash someone and are afraid to put their name to it.  Shows no character.  Probably one of the reasons they’re no longer here.  

[Tierlifer]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Tim is embarrassing himself. He should probably stop talking. He’s doing damage control for the organization at this point.

A much better “boom”.

 

Nailed it. 

[Goin Breakdown]

10 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

If they were playing for something external, like a coach, it would have fallen apart well before now, imo.

I think they'll continue scrapping and grinding just as hard as they have been as long as the playoffs are a possibility.

After that, all bets are off.

I heard on wgr today that during that Tampa bay game a couple years ago the players said basically "we're going to do this Our way and that when they came out of halftime and took TB to OT. Josh did josh things and would have won that game had it not been for the refs refusing to call PI. Remember that game. Stephs jersey being stretched Galway across the field and like 4 refs were looking right at it?  I am one to hope they play for each other on this team right now because they win despite McD and often lose because of him. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

I didn’t read the article cause the paywall.

 

You said offence sucking with Dorsey.

 

Meaning McDermott had some say in the offence?

That he would be “the scape goat” 

 

I don’t think anyone really viewed KD as the issue, just Issue 1B

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Boom. 
 

If we are moving on from McD, it shouldn’t be because of some stupid article digging up crap for 4 years ago to blow out of proportion. 

 

I agree with you.  I also think this is true:

 

https://twitter.com/McClapsAndSlaps/status/1732955792213454944

 

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

That he would be “the scape goat” 

 

I don’t think anyone really viewed KD as the issue, just Issue 1B

 

I think a good number of people were not sold on Dorsey at all

 

Joe Buscaglia, pre-season, tagged retaining Ken Dorsey as OC being the “riskiest decision of the Bills off season”

[BillsFanForever19]

12 minutes ago, Process said:

 

 

Let's see if that remains the same tomorrow when every pundit in America, sports and non-sports alike, are lambasting the team for being okay with it.

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree with you.  I also think this is true:

 

https://twitter.com/McClapsAndSlaps/status/1732955792213454944

 

 

I think a good number of people were not sold on Dorsey at all

 

Joe Buscaglia, pre-season, tagged retaining Ken Dorsey as OC being the “riskiest decision of the Bills off season”

Eventhough the statistics weren't adversely impacted you could just tell something wasnt right with the offense.   Dorsey wasn't a scapegoat, he just wasnt that good at his job.  He had good enough players to help him hide it, but the manner in which he called games was baffling.  

[C.Biscuit97]

This season is hilarious. 

[hondo in seattle]

Josh just said that there's a "We've got a lot of trust in this locker room and confidence in each other...  We're going to have to believe it, to do it.  And this is a team that believes it..."  [We have a] "very, very good feel in this locker room right now."

 

Seems different than Dunne's characterization. 

 

Someone's wrong.  

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/josh-allen-makes-confident-buffalo-bills-promise-with-nfl-postseason-hopes-dwindling/ar-AA1la3GM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=6230e01c12284564b5ff372d3b2fb051&ei=43

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

This season is hilarious. 

I use to laugh when people would say this team was cursed.   But you literally cant make this stuff up.  

[Mango]

26 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Heres a little excerpt about clown Rex Ryan

 

It bears repeating. This brand of coaching was understandable at first.

The Rex Ryan stories are legendary for all the wrong reasons. As one goes, coaches hollered for a player to enter a game on the sideline… only there was one problem. The player was up in a suite because the coaches forgot to tell him to dress. “The f--ker had to run down and put his ***** on and go play,” said one ex-Bill, dying in laughter. “Rex was retired on the job. Those guys were drinking beer by 4 p.m. every day during training camp and just partying. It was a ***** show.” The moment that broke that Bills team was when Rex and a batch of his assistants rented a bus to attend a World Series game in Cleveland three hours away during a game week.

This isn’t a culture of fear to Mike Zimmer proportions. Players actually do have complimentary things to say about McDermott and even the coaches who felt his wrath weren’t necessarily afraid of him.

Rather, it’s a dreary work environment.

This is a good reminder that even though the Bills have a coaching problem at the moment, they also have a very serious ownership problem that is flying under the radar. 
 

That’s insane.

[Pasaluki]

I mean what's next 

Go Patriots and allahu akbar what is happening with this team right now? 

 

This is just a weird space

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

It should have stayed in house, thats the embarrassing part .  Regardless of the article McDermott has five weeks to set this thing straight.   If the Bills miss the playoffs its time for him to go.   As much as I appreciate what he's done for the organization its important for the Pegula's not to drag their feet on this.   The only thing the article does is make the move easier to digest.  That said, I am hoping Sean gets the team through this and into the playoffs.    He's earned that much.

 

 

It's not over but it feels like right after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

[Bferra13]

Just win Sunday. Whatever on this stuff. 

[Royale with Cheese]

31 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So far this year he's only started 3 fewer games than last year, had 2 fewer INTs and 3 fewer PDs than last year and their are still games left, also those numbers other than starting are either equal or better than his numbers here.

He has been benched.  You can’t just box score evaluate.

He has been ripped by Steelers fans and loses his job…he is really loving life on his new team?  

 

https://stillcurtain.com/posts/steelers-levi-wallace-shows-why-most-unplayable-cornerback-in-nfl-01hdcmdtj3z5

https://www.steelernation.com/2023/10/30/steelers-mike-tomlin-declares-rookie-joey-porter-jr-starter-over-levi-wallace

It just doesn’t make sense to me that Wallace would yell “Get in their face and challenge them” when he is one of the corners on the field….especi

 

That sounds like a player on the sidelines or who plays another position yelling at McDermott to play the corners up.  
 

The quotes and stories are from now and/or 3 years ago.  Why is it so hard to believe this was quoted last year to finally put it in an article this year?  Quotes in articles aren’t always recent.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[thenorthremembers]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

This is a good reminder that even though the Bills have a coaching problem at the moment, they also have a very serious ownership problem that is flying under the radar. 
 

That’s insane.

You're the second person to complain about ownership in this thread.    There are a lot of bad owners in the NFL, the Pegulas aren't among them.    As crazy as the last two years have been, I am forever grateful we arent watching the team in Toronto or Austin.

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's not over but it feels like right after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

If they dont make the playoffs this chapter is over.  

Edited December 8, 2023 by thenorthremembers

[Warcodered]

19 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

It should have stayed in house, thats the embarrassing part .  Regardless of the article McDermott has five weeks to set this thing straight.   If the Bills miss the playoffs its time for him to go.   As much as I appreciate what he's done for the organization its important for the Pegula's not to drag their feet on this.   The only thing the article does is make the move easier to digest.  That said, I am hoping Sean gets the team through this and into the playoffs.    He's earned that much.

Yeah, having less and less faith in McDermott, but this article at this point in time in the season is some bull####. Would love for the team to run the table and win it all for all of the obvious reasons but also for the pure ***** all of these ***** #######s of it all.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I’m glad McD’s getting what he deserves right now with the media 

[Mango]

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You're the second person to complain about ownership in this thread.    There are a lot of bad owners in the NFL, the Pegulas aren't among them.    As crazy as the last two years have been, I am forever grateful we arent watching the team in Toronto or Austin.

 

There is some fairness to the relocation aspect of the Bills. But I am also not sure it’s a forever get out of jail free card. 
 

Also he is the worst owner in NHL history. So it’s difficult to say “Yay Terry. King of the sports” because the Bills exist when just down route 5 he’s absolutely ruined the NHL team. 
 

EDIT: I think Pegula is accutely aware of this. And part of the reason McD has been listed as safe unless the wheels fall off is because he could run out of goodwill in this town. 

Edited December 8, 2023 by Mango

[Scott7975]

22 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I heard on wgr today that during that Tampa bay game a couple years ago the players said basically "we're going to do this Our way and that when they came out of halftime and took TB to OT. Josh did josh things and would have won that game had it not been for the refs refusing to call PI. Remember that game. Stephs jersey being stretched Galway across the field and like 4 refs were looking right at it?  I am one to hope they play for each other on this team right now because they win despite McD and often lose because of him. 

 

From this part of the article

 

Quote

But in this case, the party receiving McDermott’s blame refused to bend over and accept its spanking. Run more? Win at the line of scrimmage? Players on offense vividly remember offensive coordinator Brian Daboll essentially saying, “!@#$ that!” at halftime. Daboll unleashed Josh Allen in all his glory. As a passer. As a runner. The Bills nearly came back to stun Tom Brady’s Bucs in overtime. One player remembers Daboll calling the same RPO play constantly. “We came out and we started !@#$ kicking their ass,” he said. “Letting Josh be Josh.” That half on, Allen became the most dominating player in the sport. He threw for 1,828 yards, rushed for 475 and scored 22 touchdowns with only five picks the final seven games. The Bills obliterated the Patriots — twice — including a playoff epic for the ages. A scene inconceivable through the drought years. Fans bought t-shirts at Store716 that read “Death of a Patriot” by Josh Allen with the full details of all seven scoring drives in the Wild Card bloodbath.  

Every NFL team’s dream is to catch fire at the absolute perfect time.

Nothing was stopping this offense.

“Sean said some things,” one offensive player recalled, “and we’re like, ‘Man, !@#$ that. We’re going to make this happen on the offensive side of the ball.’ And it happened. Sean is an understanding person for the most part. When everybody pushes back, he understands. We said, ‘!@#$ this. This is what we do. This is what we’re good at. Let Josh throw this !@#$ ball. Let him run the ball. Let’s do this.’ And it worked.”

All the way through the first 59 minutes and 47 seconds of the AFC divisional playoff game against the Kansas City Chiefs, anyways.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I use to laugh when people would say this team was cursed.   But you literally cant make this stuff up.  

The funniest part is they still can make the playoffs and might be the favorites in the AFC if they get in!

[Nephilim17]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Let's see if that remains the same tomorrow when every pundit in America, sports and non-sports alike, are lambasting the team for being okay with it.

McDermott looked gutted at the presser and certainly did not act like it was old news and already "processed" by the man who pays his bills.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Nephilim17

[Scott7975]

11 minutes ago, Mango said:

This is a good reminder that even though the Bills have a coaching problem at the moment, they also have a very serious ownership problem that is flying under the radar. 
 

That’s insane.

 

Yeah the Rex Ryan era was a real clown show.  Owner isn't going to change though.  At least not for a long time.

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He has been benched.  You can’t just box score evaluate.

He has been ripped by Steelers fans and loses his job…he is really loving life on his new team?  

 

https://stillcurtain.com/posts/steelers-levi-wallace-shows-why-most-unplayable-cornerback-in-nfl-01hdcmdtj3z5

https://www.steelernation.com/2023/10/30/steelers-mike-tomlin-declares-rookie-joey-porter-jr-starter-over-levi-wallace

It just doesn’t make sense to me that Wallace would yell “Get in their face and challenge them” when he is one of the corners on the field….especi

 

That sounds like a player on the sidelines or who plays another position yelling at McDermott to play the corners up.  
 

The quotes and stories are from now and/or 3 years ago.  Why is it so hard to believe this was quoted last year to finally put it in an article this year?  Quotes in articles aren’t always recent.

Then it wouldn't make sense for either of them then, it doesn't matter when the quote is from, when he said currently is happy on his new team that means now, presently, as in ***** today. If he'd somehow quoted a dinosaur and outside the quotes he said it was currently living it's best life I'd wonder how ***** that was.

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

McDermott looked gutted at the presser and certainly did not act like it was old news and already "processed" by the man who pays his bills.

Similar to Araiza, similar to Von, similar to this. Every org knows everything.
 

There’s reports of NFL teams have plants in college towns during the year to get the scoop on draft picks. 

 

The league and every team in the league individually employ/contract former federal agents to snuff out these off field issues quietly. 
 

It’s a business of “what can I get away with”. It’s not shocking. It is what it is. But I would be shocked if this was new for the org. Having to deal with it in public is why McD looks scared.