Singletary & Moss both look much better on new teams

[Chicagobills]

Is it just a coincidence that both Singletary and Moss look much better on their new teams? 

[Mr. WEO]

I've read this somewhere....

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, Chicagobills said:

Is it just a coincidence that both Singletary and Moss look much better on their new teams? 

You’re basing this off what? 1 and a half games? Singletary’s done next to nothing all year before last week. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Chicagobills said:

Is it just a coincidence that both Singletary and Moss look much better on their new teams? 

 

It only seems that way because we don't watch every play. Every player looks good in highlights.

Edited November 19, 2023 by PromoTheRobot

[Herc11]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

You’re basing this off what? 1 and a half games? Singletary’s done next to nothing all year before last week. 

 

I may be wrong, but isn't a lot of his lack of production up until now because he has been the #2 behind pierce? Now that pierce is hurt and he is the #1, he's playing well.

 

And Moss was tearing ***** up until Taylor came back.

[Ya Digg?]

Do we really have to do this every time a former player does something a tiny bit good? Yeah Miss is so good that he’s the backup in Indy and Singletary has had 1 good game after averaging like 3 ypc the first 10 games. While we are at it, let’s bring up Hodgins, or should we not because it doesn’t fit the narrative any more since he’s doing nothing this year? 

[Process]

RB production is 90% scheme and blocking 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Herc11 said:

 

I may be wrong, but isn't a lot of his lack of production up until now because he has been the #2 behind pierce? Now that pierce is hurt and he is the #1, he's playing well.

 

And Moss was tearing ***** up until Taylor came back.

Yes

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

I may be wrong, but isn't a lot of his lack of production up until now because he has been the #2 behind pierce? Now that pierce is hurt and he is the #1, he's playing well.

 

And Moss was tearing ***** up until Taylor came back.

A better case can be made for Moss yes. 
 

The fact that Singletary was behind Pearce kinda tells you something doesn’t it?

[CEN-CAL17]

Imagine that….. 

[Steptide]

I always thought singeltary was pretty good. Thought we shoulda kept him another season

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 minutes ago, Chicagobills said:

Is it just a coincidence that both Singletary and Moss look much better on their new teams? 

Many RBs don't flourish in RBBC. They need touches. Opportunity. They need to be in the flow of the game. Singletary was struggling until Pierce went out. Now he's being productive. It's not a coincidence. 

[UConn James]

The fact that our RB coach hasn’t developed f—-all given multiple 2nd & 3rd round picks… why is he still here? Looking it up… We can’t get better than Kelly Skipper?

Edited November 19, 2023 by UConn James

[QLBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, Chicagobills said:

Is it just a coincidence that both Singletary and Moss look much better on their new teams? 

Both good RB’s. Motor had a great run here. But you have one football and JA and Diggs. Cook brings speed neither offered. But the Bills are not a physical OL and it’s pass first here. So good for them! I am really happy for both of them. Josh was quoted as saying Motor was his favorite player because he worked so hard and was a great teammate. 

[Real McClappy]

When you feed them 20+ carries both look like the real deal. Prob in Buffalo was utilization or stats could have been similar. 

[WideNine]

Probably not enough sample size, but Kromer has had more time to implement his blocking schemes and we picked up Torrence so there were some changes made by the Bills to improve the run game. They also have moved away from trying to use so much outside zone (stretch) running plays that was less of a fit for the kind of runners we had and we did not execute those well with our O-line. We now use a lot more power/gap and inside zone runs that we tend to execute better.

Of course there are philosophy changes from coach to coach when it comes to how much, when, and how you run the ball. It always baffled me the amount of draft capital Beane and McD put into finding a good RB and how the running game was usually not a feature that the Daboll offense leaned into. It was mainly just something to keep defenses more honest and to prevent them from pinning their ears back and rushing Allen, or just going light boxes and strictly playing the pass.

Cook was on fire last game after the benching till Dorsey found a way to forget about him. OCs, have to have a feel for what is working and keep going to that well till a defense stops it - then figure out what they gave up to do that.

 

[Maine-iac]

Moss looks better.  Moss is a one cut back much better suited for Indy's offense.  Singletary is just getting more carries now he's starting in Houston he did well when he was here when we gave him the ball.  Not sure what people are complaining about Cooks is pretty good also.  Problem here for years has been committing to the running game, not the backs carrying the ball.

[JoshAllin]

Good picks by beane, just bad usage by the staff

Edited November 19, 2023 by motorj

[Utah John]

It's an all of the above situation.  Both Singletary and Moss were playing in an offense where everything was geared towards the passing game, and the O line was usually somewhere between terrible and mediocre.  I have no idea how good the O lines in Indy or Texas are, but since Indy has been leaning on Jonathan Taylor for production, I'll assume that at least Indy's line has been developed to block for the run.  

 

I'm glad for both of them as players and as men.  They're both in a situation where they have a better chance to thrive.

[Mister Defense]

Yup, and  it took Houston  a little too long to realize what they have in Singletarry--their starter, a workhorse, one of the best running backs in the league at protecting the quarterback, a team player, never complaining, and someone who gets better and better the more you feed him the ball

 

And he is always available.

 

Now, watch to see if Houston is smart enough to let Motor run and run, providing Houston with a missing element of the offense, just like he did so well with the Bills in the middle of the 2021 season.  The Bills became the best rushing team in the league during that stretch, propelling the entire offense, and Josh Allen, to their best play ever, championship caliber.

 

If Dorsey was not as incompetent as he is, he would have ridden Motor last year and not let him go this year.

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Mister Defense

[BBFL]

26 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

A better case can be made for Moss yes. 
 

The fact that Singletary was behind Pearce kinda tells you something doesn’t it?

 

Think Devin and Pierce are pretty similar. The latter just has better top end speed IMO. 

2 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

Yup, and  it took Houston  a little too long to realize what they have in Singletarry--their starter, a workhorse, one of the running backs in the league at protecting the quarterback, a team player, never complaining, and someone who gets better and better the more you feed him the ball

 

And he is always available.

 

Now, watch to see if Houston is smart enough to let Motor run and run, providing Houston with a missing element of the offense, just like he did so well with the Bills in the middle of the 2021 season.  The Bills became the best rushing team in the league during that stretch, propelling the entire offense, and Josh Allen, their best play ever, championship caliber.

 

If Dorsey was not as incompetent as he is, he would have ridden Motor last year and not let him go this year.

Pierce just hasn’t been healthy this year. That’s the bigger issue. Like Devin and glad he’s playing well, like you said; guy never complained. True team first guy. 
 

Either way, like most RBs. You get enough opportunities in a game you will wind up producing something. 

[Herc11]

29 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

A better case can be made for Moss yes. 
 

The fact that Singletary was behind Pearce kinda tells you something doesn’t it?

Well they are both backups and both have played well when put in the #1 roll.

[Utah John]

5 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

Yup, and  it took Houston  a little too long to realize what they have in Singletarry--their starter, a workhorse, one of the running backs in the league at protecting the quarterback, a team player, never complaining, and someone who gets better and better the more you feed him the ball

 

And he is always available.

 

Now, watch to see if Houston is smart enough to let Motor run and run, providing Houston with a missing element of the offense, just like he did so well with the Bills in the middle of the 2021 season.  The Bills became the best rushing team in the league during that stretch, propelling the entire offense, and Josh Allen, their best play ever, championship caliber.

 

If Dorsey was not as incompetent as he is, he would have ridden Motor last year and not let him go this year.

The only reason the Bills didn't keep Singletary (and why they drafted Cook a year ahead of Singletary's departure) is that Singletary's rookie contract was expiring, and the Bills don't want to pay the going rate for top-notch veterans.  Like most other teams, the Bills use rookie contracts for RBs to balance the books.

[Mister Defense]

Just now, Herc11 said:

Well they are both backups and both have played well when put in the #1 roll.

 

Yes, it tells me that Houston made a poor decision in making Pierce their starting RB, and waiting so long to finally use Motor, make him their starter.

 

He will remain there, I think, and add that other needed dimension for Houston to become a true contender.

 

I think he will make $3.5 million this year.  How much do Harty and Sherfield make?

 

Not their fault they are not used,  and not used well, but how much production for how much money?

 

[Herc11]

34 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Do we really have to do this every time a former player does something a tiny bit good? Yeah Miss is so good that he’s the backup in Indy and Singletary has had 1 good game after averaging like 3 ypc the first 10 games. While we are at it, let’s bring up Hodgins, or should we not because it doesn’t fit the narrative any more since he’s doing nothing this year? 

 

Is it really absurd to compare their performance from their time here? It really highlights how bad our run scheme is.

 

Your take on Moss is ridiculous. He has a 4.6 yard avg and 5 TDs as their starter. Also 123 yards receiving with 1 TD. The only reason he's the backup now is cause JT is on that team and back. In comparison, Moss looked like dog ***** on the Bills.

[NoSaint]

42 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

It only seems that way before we don't watch every play. Every player looks good in highlights.

Yea, singletary had productive games here. I’m not racing to pay the guy.

[John from Riverside]

Scheme has something to do with it I’m sure

[RousseauRage]

Allen's ego won't allow a RB to shine here.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Cook looks pretty dang good too. 

[1onemangang7]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

You’re basing this off what? 1 and a half games? Singletary’s done next to nothing all year before last week. 

he was the backup lol....

[billsfan89]

James Cook looks a lot better this season to be fair.

[BananaB]

Coaching does that. Singletary always looked good when the let him be the guy, most of the time it was a rotation though. 
 

More and more players leave Buffalo and show their skill

Edited November 19, 2023 by BananaB

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

You’re basing this off what? 1 and a half games? Singletary’s done next to nothing all year before last week. 

And Moss did pretty much nothing after he was traded last season.  

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

Coaching does that. Singletary always looked good when the let him be the guy, most of the time it was a rotation though. 
 

More and more players leave Buffalo and show their skill

The Bills never had a good run blocking offensive line for 90% of the time he was here. 2019 and 2020 the Bills offensive line were very solid at pass blocking but average at best in run blocking. 
 

2021 the Bills offensive line was a mess until the last few weeks of the regular season and playoffs (they didn’t get rolling until they kicked D.Williams inside and plugged in Brown and Bates). That 6ish game stretch was probably the only stretch of good run blocking play by the offensive line.

 

Then in 2022 the offensive line was horrendous. Had Singletary been the consistent lead back and had better run blocking he easily would have been a 1100 yard or better back if healthy. 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Chicagobills said:

Is it just a coincidence that both Singletary and Moss look much better on their new teams? 

Maybe this is why we have a new OC? 

[zow2]

I liked both Singletary and Moss.  much to the ridicule of this board over the years.  So no, i’m not surprised.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Chicagobills said:

Is it just a coincidence that both Singletary and Moss look much better on their new teams? 

Singletary has 92 carries for 359 yards and 3.9 ypc on the year.

 

One game doens't change his overall body of work.

[Matt_In_NH]

Silly

[blacklabel]

Singletary had his first back to back 100 games for his career. Prior to last week, the dude had averaged 27 rushing yards per game for the season. So let's not act like he's suddenly some kind of all pro. 

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, Herc11 said:

 

Is it really absurd to compare their performance from their time here? It really highlights how bad our run scheme is.

 

Your take on Moss is ridiculous. He has a 4.6 yard avg and 5 TDs as their starter. Also 123 yards receiving with 1 TD. The only reason he's the backup now is cause JT is on that team and back. In comparison, Moss looked like dog ***** on the Bills.

Actually yes it is absolutely absurd. Singletary wouldn’t be playing in Buffalo anyway. He was a free agent and no matter how well he had played here he was gone.
Moss rushed 1 time for 2 yards last week-am I supposed to be impressed by that? He had a couple of good games, but in half of their games his ypc has been under 4. I’ll say it again, complete Isaiah Hodgins syndrome-have a decent game or 2 and somehow that means Buffalo clearly screwed up